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syllo, try this on:
Chez either KNOWS there are 3 messengers because it's in his PM, or thinks there are because of N1 - sandro claimed to message someone, Chez messaged BH and BH confirmed, WBG received a message that didn't come from sandro or chez. 3 messages, 3 messengers.
Sandro flipped bossy. Chez says he's bossy. VE posted a message from Chez, Chez said some parts were missing. VE did you snip parts of that PM you posted out?. If there are parts missing, Chez is indeed bossy employee.
We still have one N1 message unexplained. What if QbertZ is a mafia messenger? He was trolling early game, so the trolly message to WBG makes sense. He was chatting with Chez a lot, emulating Chez, so a House Chezinu message makes some sense (and, if I'm marketing, I'm sending my first D1 message to Palmar, not QbertZ, so QbertZ had no mafia agenda from the higher-ups to push N1 and just trolled/confused the hell out of things).
QbertZ as messenger ALSO explains how we have 3 messages N1, but a TON of unclaimed messages since. QbertZ has been dealing with RL stuff, hasn't been around every half cycle, so wouldn't necessarily have sent pms each half cycle.
QbertZ also fits Chez receiving that "I'm lonely" message. QbertZ gone from thread, returns just to vote, hasn't read and doesn't know what's going on. Figures he'll send a message. Why not just send a dumb message to Chez. No information, no orders, can't do anything specific because you don't know what's been going on.
If this were the case, it would explain: (1) no use of broadcaster yet, Gonzaw orders risk.nuke to use his power, power maybe shows up with this daypost or has been cancelled. (2) QbertZ being mafia but also allowing for Gonzaw and risk.nuke to be mafia. (3) Chez having two messages snooped, one sent/one received. (4) The fact that both Rasta and I saw messages sent. Only marketing should be sending yesterday at this point, so we know there's another messenger floating around out there or an unexplained/accounted for power.
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Q-bert-z can't be a messenger because BM controlled his vote at one point and says he didn't have a day power
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No, I snipped nothing. I took that as Chezinu trying to catch someone jumping on an easy case or something, because obviously he would know that I didn't snip anything. That's what my silence was about yesterday, I was trying to facilitate that...but no one bit.
I posted the entirety of the message Chezinu sent me.
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Is anyone entertaining the possibility of Gonz/Risk/Chez?
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The mole thing REALLY makes QbertZ stand out as mafia VE.
I'm entertaining Gonz/Risk/x, where x is QbertZ, Chez, BM, Rastaban, maybe even Katina/mattchew/hiropro (iirc from my last check, huuuuuuge filter before Foolishness flips, lots of questions everywhere, then things start dying down and much more quiet. But I have a townread on him apart from that).
I absolutely don't think we should be lynching Katina tomorrow. Should start with gonzaw or risk, make sure that my information is good. If that PM is good, it's helpful for tracking down the remaining scum. If one of those two is scum, the other is, and that leaves a short list to lynch off of for the remainder. We have such a numbers advantage that we can basically list ANYONE that is scummy and win.
I really, really don't like Chez as the third option though, because my PM wanted to pin WHATEVER Broadcaster does onto Chez. If that message is for real, then Chez isn't mafia.
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syllo,On July 19 2012 19:32 Bill Murray wrote:
i also get to steal peoples thread actions when i take their vote
mattchew and meapak didnt have any for me to use
i wanted to use meapak's in case kurumi was nukin him and he was going to die with a power/use it improperly, under the assumption the 2nd nuke was real, but i guess it wasn't
yo foolishness is this anti town enough for you dawg BM's initial explanation was NOT "day actions" or "day powers." It was specifically THREAD actions. If BM can only steal thread commands like nuke, pardon, etc., then he would not steal the power to PM.
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Sigh austinmcc, I can't believe I'm still forced to argue about this
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One scenario where katina isn't mafia is if mafia has a similar snooping role as yours, in which case they could have intercepted chezinu's message to katina. Then it could be gonzaw/risk/q-bert-z. Fine, lets lynch Gonzaw first.
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I'll knock it off, because it's not nearly as productive until we see the NK/tomorrow's lynch.
Flip QbertZ, flip Gonzaw, flip risk. Don't start with Katina.
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It looks like no matter who we follow, austin or rastaban, QbertZ is mafia so I guess we should start with him and then move onto gonzaw or katina.
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I suppose now that I look back, I may have been over thinking and gonzaw/risk/q-bert-z makes quite a bit of sense too. Katina's play has been pretty incomprehensible though.
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Make QbertZ a messenger. Have PMing people be a non-thread action, something that BM can't steal. Then it all works out.
Katina had pants on her head. At least so far, Katina /w pants on head = town.
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On July 28 2012 08:02 austinmcc wrote:
Make QbertZ a messenger. Have PMing people be a non-thread action, something that BM can't steal. Then it all works out.
Katina had pants on her head. At least so far, Katina /w pants on head = town.
unrelated to the game, does anyone realize thats not her
and that i posted that pic before she did
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She's just like...a natural I think. Like, her reads are inordinately good...but she lacks the clout/thread-presence to make her stand out as obviously town.
I can see her playing this way as town Syllo, but I have to emphasize that Katina has fooled me hard before.
I agree with austin...Katina might be scum, but I don't think we should start there.
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On July 28 2012 08:03 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 08:02 austinmcc wrote:
Make QbertZ a messenger. Have PMing people be a non-thread action, something that BM can't steal. Then it all works out.
Katina had pants on her head. At least so far, Katina /w pants on head = town. unrelated to the game, does anyone realize thats not her and that i posted that pic before she did I have been assuming it was her. And no, didn't realize the order.
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Katina have you played much IRL Mafia with Foolishness?
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On July 28 2012 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
She's just like...a natural I think. Like, her reads are inordinately good...but she lacks the clout/thread-presence to make her stand out as obviously town.
I can see her playing this way as town Syllo, but I have to emphasize that Katina has fooled me hard before.
I agree with austin...Katina might be scum, but I don't think we should start there.
Her decent reads or lack of thread presence isn't the problem, but the fact she somehow can't recognize what makes someone likely town but can recognize mafia behavior. It just seems impossible to scum hunt if you can't recognize both. Moreover, early on she kept siding with foolishness/agreeing with him despite allegedly considering him almost confirmed mafia and didn't really want to lynch him either until quite late. Anyway, it's quite possible that I've to a degree tunneled her.
Lynch gonzaw, q-bert-z and then possibly risk depending on the roles.
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I mean - I had a scum read on Foolish and I agreed with him about BH - so much so that I lynched the guy.
But I see what you're saying.
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On July 28 2012 07:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, I snipped nothing. I took that as Chezinu trying to catch someone jumping on an easy case or something, because obviously he would know that I didn't snip anything. That's what my silence was about yesterday, I was trying to facilitate that...but no one bit.
I posted the entirety of the message Chezinu sent me.
The Smiley face was Missing!
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Risk's filter makes him look very bad. I think have to stop focusing on players who I just don't understand and accept that sometimes townies do and say very strange things.
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