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I hope this is the last I'll say on this topic, but with the recent wave of posting, I'm not optimistic.
Why the hell is the town going after controversial players? We should be going after suspicious players!
LazerMonkey is a TOWNIE! Its so blitheringly obvious! Lazer has been under relentless pressure since day 1 and hasn't said anything remotely incriminating. He has been calling out lurkers, making cases, has been active, and freely speaks his mind! Fingerpointing =/= suspicious behavior. Agreeing with people =/= suspicious behavior. What's important is that we find someone acting suspicious in a mafia-oriented way. We're looking for deflection, deception, dishonesty... Lazer's shown NONE of those traits!
There are SO MANY BETTER TARGETS for pressure than Lazer right now!
There are multiple lurking players with low post counts that we should be scrutinizing! We already have an obvious D1 lynch target in Hopeless1der - we don't have to create a case against a controversial, clearly town-alligned player!
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On July 07 2012 04:14 Hapahauli wrote:
I hope this is the last I'll say on this topic, but with the recent wave of posting, I'm not optimistic.
Why the hell is the town going after controversial players? We should be going after suspicious players!
LazerMonkey is a TOWNIE! Its so blitheringly obvious! Lazer has been under relentless pressure since day 1 and hasn't said anything remotely incriminating. He has been calling out lurkers, making cases, has been active, and freely speaks his mind! Fingerpointing =/= suspicious behavior. Agreeing with people =/= suspicious behavior. What's important is that we find someone acting suspicious in a mafia-oriented way. We're looking for deflection, deception, dishonesty... Lazer's shown NONE of those traits!
There are SO MANY BETTER TARGETS for pressure than Lazer right now!
There are multiple lurking players with low post counts that we should be scrutinizing! We already have an obvious D1 lynch target in Hopeless1der - we don't have to create a case against a controversial, clearly town-alligned player!
If he's so clearly town aligned, why are you so desperate to convince people? It should be easy to see. Hence "clearly"?
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You, Zen, Release, and JieXian have all launched votes/FOS/cases against Lazer. I want you to all stop running around in circles, start pressure non-obvious townies, and get the obvious mafia (Hopeless1der) lynched.
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On July 07 2012 04:34 Hapahauli wrote:
You, Zen, Release, and JieXian have all launched votes/FOS/cases against Lazer. I want you to all stop running around in circles, start pressure non-obvious townies, and get the obvious mafia (Hopeless1der) lynched.
So since your case has failed to convince us, you instead imply that all other cases are worse than yours, and anyone who disagrees with your tunnel vision is stupid? Great plan. How about you actually convince people, instead of just trying to get peer pressure started.
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How is my case not convincing? If someone wants to take the time to read it and tell me why I'm wrong, I'm willing to listen. However, NO ONE has. Instead, people have started an insane bandwagon against LazerMonkey.
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Saying you're wrong and saying we're unconvinced are two entirely different things. Why the excessive defense of Lazer, exactly?
You call it a bandwagon, even though it seems to be multiple people who have decided that he's at best unintentionally divisive, and at worst scum.
Either way, if he gets lynched, he won't be missed, as he's not going to help the town win in either case.
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Oh, and might I add, that if all of the "cases" you've made, and seemed really convinced of for a short chunk of time were correct, the town would have lost as soon as role PMs went out, as we would have been outnumbered by scum D1.
You've been casting your net as widely as possible, directing suspicion at almost everyone for a short period of time. It's only as we've gotten closer to the deadline that you suddenly became intensely convinced Hopeless was pure scum, and focused on him.
Also, you accuse everyone else of bandwagoning, but you want people you haven't convinced to jump on the bandwagon of your case. I don't buy it. You're Lazer's scumbuddy, most likely.
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On July 07 2012 04:41 JingleHell wrote:
Saying you're wrong and saying we're unconvinced are two entirely different things. Why the excessive defense of Lazer, exactly?
You call it a bandwagon, even though it seems to be multiple people who have decided that he's at best unintentionally divisive, and at worst scum.
Either way, if he gets lynched, he won't be missed, as he's not going to help the town win in either case.
We're going to lynch him because he's not going to help the town win anyway? WAT.
I've made it perfectly clear why I'm "excessively defending" lazer in my previous posts. You all are bandwagonning/chasing ghosts about a player who's posting habits suggest pro-town, as opposed to making productive analysis.
Why are you unconvinced about my case? No one has posted anything to suggest it isn't convincing. Hell some players have posted that it was convincing, then promptly voted for other people!
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I woke up to go to the toilet thinking about something
YourHarry since you've got off the hopeless bandwagon into the TMD on, why the hell are you seeming to care more about my case on Lazer so much and not stopping Hapa since you seem to think Hopeless is innocent enough for you to change your vote?
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If you missed what I already said about Hopeless, or aren't interested in my current guesses based off of meta, that's up to you. But until/unless my meta guesses are proven wrong by a flip in his other game, I'm unconvinced. I can't help it if you aren't reading enough to have seen what I said, and I can't make you buy in to it, but to suggest that I haven't answered that is outright fallacious.
Of course, I'd expect nothing more from someone who spent a fair amount of energy buying into Lazer's nonexistent case against me. I'm not entirely convinced you two aren't working together, perhaps in a scum QT?
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On July 07 2012 04:44 JingleHell wrote:
Oh, and might I add, that if all of the "cases" you've made, and seemed really convinced of for a short chunk of time were correct, the town would have lost as soon as role PMs went out, as we would have been outnumbered by scum D1.
You've been casting your net as widely as possible, directing suspicion at almost everyone for a short period of time. It's only as we've gotten closer to the deadline that you suddenly became intensely convinced Hopeless was pure scum, and focused on him.
Also, you accuse everyone else of bandwagoning, but you want people you haven't convinced to jump on the bandwagon of your case. I don't buy it. You're Lazer's scumbuddy, most likely.
Of course I'm "tunnel visioning" Hopeless1der! He's suspicious as shit, and I just posted a huge comprehensive analysis on why he is so (CLICK HEREfor reference)! The other "cases" (as you call them) pale in comparison to the one I have against Hopeless, and I'll be pushing for his lynch until he swings from the gallows.
Oh, and "Lazer's scumbuddy" is going to proactively and controversially defend him against attack from four players. That's a great mafia play.
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JingleHell, this is your post discussing Hopeless's meta. You make two points:
Hopeless's play is different enough from D1 there, where I won't be convinced he's town unless he flips, that I'm convinced he's town here.
Hopeless's play is very different from his townie play. My case proves it.
In particular he doesn't seem scared of prolific posting in the early game.
I've proven this wrong in my accusation. Read it.
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Uhm, You haven't "proven" anything, you've just provided anecdotal and circumstancial evidence. The same thing I'm using to say I'm not feeling scum out of him at the moment.
I am, however, getting an "actively useless or active scum" vibe out of lazer. I get that in the best case, you want to be the hero by swaying everyone over, but it's not working. Deal with it. Add to your case, or consider other people as well. You didn't seem to have a problem considering almost everyone else earlier in the game... back when there was more chaos and less votes on Lazer...
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On July 07 2012 05:09 JingleHell wrote:Uhm, You haven't "proven" anything, you've just provided anecdotal and circumstancial evidence.
All mafia accusations are based on anecdotal and circumstantial evidence. Do you want me to hack his account and take a SS of his role PM or something?
On July 07 2012 05:09 JingleHell wrote:The same thing I'm using to say I'm not feeling scum out of him at the moment.
So you're going to pursue a case over "feeling" rather than logic and proof?
On July 07 2012 05:09 JingleHell wrote:Add to your case, or consider other people as well.
You've been babbling on and on about how my case is unconvincing and haven't analyzed it at all. Your criticisms (such as the bit about it being based on circumstantial evidence - LOL) are laughable generalizations. Post something useful.
On July 07 2012 05:09 JingleHell wrote:You didn't seem to have a problem considering almost everyone else earlier in the game... back when there was more chaos and less votes on Lazer...
Well no shit - I didn't defend lazer when no one was bandwagonning on him. Duh?
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Vote Count
Hopeless1der (3) - YourHarry, Hapahauli, BassinSpace, The_Zen_Man
Lazermonkey (3) - Release, JingleHell, JieXian
JingleHell (2) - Lazermonkey, EvulRabbitz
YourHarry (1) - JingleHell, Mackin
TMG26 (1) - YourHarry
Yet to vote: TMG26, Hopeless1der, Khorrus.
Deadline is in a little over 4 and a half hours. Currently Hopeless1der is set to be lynched as he reached 3 votes first.
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On July 07 2012 05:21 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:09 JingleHell wrote:Uhm, You haven't "proven" anything, you've just provided anecdotal and circumstancial evidence. All mafia accusations are based on anecdotal and circumstantial evidence. Do you want me to hack his account and take a SS of his role PM or something? Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:09 JingleHell wrote:The same thing I'm using to say I'm not feeling scum out of him at the moment. So you're going to pursue a case over "feeling" rather than logic and proof?Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:09 JingleHell wrote:Add to your case, or consider other people as well. You've been babbling on and on about how my case is unconvincing and haven't analyzed it at all. Your criticisms (such as the bit about it being based on circumstantial evidence - LOL) are laughable generalizations. Post something useful. Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:09 JingleHell wrote:You didn't seem to have a problem considering almost everyone else earlier in the game... back when there was more chaos and less votes on Lazer... Well no shit - I didn't defend lazer when no one was bandwagonning on him. Duh?
You contradicted yourself all over the place, all in the name of getting people to dive on the hopeless bandwagon. Also, just because I haven't gone through and provided a play-by-play of my personal opinions, cluttering up the thread, doesn't mean I haven't looked at the case.
Oh, the two underlined bits contradict eachother. Just so they're more visible for snickering.
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How do they contradict? You can build a logical case on circumstantial evidence.
Also, just because I haven't gone through and provided a play-by-play of my personal opinions, cluttering up the thread, doesn't mean I haven't looked at the case.
Clearly you haven't, as this is yet another post of yours that suggests doubt on my case without providing any analysis whatsoever.
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Well, I could either clutter up the thread by breaking down every individual point of yours that I don't find particularly compelling, which I'm sure scum would love, since chaos and distraction are their tactics, or I could trust that people will read through and decide for themselves, because if they aren't doing that, whether they agree with me or not, we're doomed to lose to the scum.
I should think that votes can stand for themselves when the lynch is decided. Unless you have some real, solid information you're not sharing (It's D1, so only scum do), then you're just guessing, like everyone else, based on WIFOM. Don't be offended that other people disagree with you.
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On July 07 2012 05:38 JingleHell wrote:
Well, I could either clutter up the thread by breaking down every individual point of yours that I don't find particularly compelling, which I'm sure scum would love, since chaos and distraction are their tactics, or I could trust that people will read through and decide for themselves, because if they aren't doing that, whether they agree with me or not, we're doomed to lose to the scum.
I should think that votes can stand for themselves when the lynch is decided. Unless you have some real, solid information you're not sharing (It's D1, so only scum do), then you're just guessing, like everyone else, based on WIFOM. Don't be offended that other people disagree with you.
Posting analysis is pro-scum behavior. Uh-huh.
If you believe Hopeless to be innocent, break down my case and convince me he's innocent.
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On July 07 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 05:38 JingleHell wrote:
Well, I could either clutter up the thread by breaking down every individual point of yours that I don't find particularly compelling, which I'm sure scum would love, since chaos and distraction are their tactics, or I could trust that people will read through and decide for themselves, because if they aren't doing that, whether they agree with me or not, we're doomed to lose to the scum.
I should think that votes can stand for themselves when the lynch is decided. Unless you have some real, solid information you're not sharing (It's D1, so only scum do), then you're just guessing, like everyone else, based on WIFOM. Don't be offended that other people disagree with you. Posting analysis is pro-scum behavior. Uh-huh. If you believe Hopeless to be innocent, break down my case and convince me he's innocent.
I already told you why, and why, unlike you, I don't require other people to justify my existence.
And providing endless clutter that's not going to change anyone's mind, be particularly relevant, or prove a damn thing... yeah, that's pro scum. And since you're trying to convince me to do it, it's backing up my belief that you may well be Lazer's scumbuddy.
If hopeless gets lynched and I'm proven right with a green flip, I'm going to do my best to see to it that you and Lazer are next. I'm through with this conversation.
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