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We start off with D77's jailor claim. It's not too surprising that we let this slide, because it would mean either really gutsy play from scum rber, or co-operation from two scum. I initially thought he was timid blue who was sheeping, but his posting and conclusions are just as messed up as Zeph's. I'll show you how he is playing newb card to push scum agenda. On July 09 2012 11:32 Dangeresque77 wrote: more importantly we have 2 confirmed town atm. ill save some time and make it three im police officer i jailed zephirdd ill include my reasoning as well im basically a medic with a slight drawback(maybe not if used on a mafia member). i think zeph is town and thought he was a reasonable target for mafia, so jailing him seemed to be prudent He calls prplhz confirmed town. Already. This is when many voices doubted the validity of the cop claim (including confirmed towns NSH and VE [yes this is a jab at you marv, just because you flip town doesn't mean you are infallible]). You would think a sheeping town would heed such things and consider "hey maybe I should be careful in assessing this claim too!". Well, he doesn't. Just prior he posts On July 09 2012 11:20 Dangeresque77 wrote: 3 town dead.......not looking good for the home team. lets see what did the mafia stand to gain from that kill you would think that the mafia would have killed prplhz because of his cop claim thoughts? prplhz, marvel what do you guys think? And after some discussion he carefully evaluates and decides that prplhz is indeed cop! and that revealing himself as the jailor is the best thing to do! (end sarcasm) Later on he does the same thing. On July 12 2012 11:35 Dangeresque77 wrote: ill probably die tonight anyway, but heres who i think is scum SlOosh. mrzentor. bluelightz heres my case on sloosh sloosh- basically i agree with most of the points brought up by zeph and marv the only people he has been accusing in the last 2 pages of his filter are zephrid, and prphlz both of these players are thought of as confirmed town. a scum would of course want to cast suspicion on two members who have a good rep Two problems here. He calls prplhz thought of as confirmed town, when just before marv, the actual confirmed town posted that he suspects prplhz. He also calls zephirdd confirmed town, when there is no such sentiment. For a sheeping newb, you would think that he would follow the confirmed town the hardest. Well he doesn't - he uses bits and pieces to push his scum agenda. The rest of my hunches come through thorough readings of prphlz's and Zephirdd's filters (which I did when building their cases). The way they push MrZentor so openly and willingly makes no sense. Also, they used the delay power (why not when you can get misled town marv to do all your dirty work for you) and are now trying to out possible medics to truly secure their victory. On July 12 2012 11:23 Zephirdd wrote: Wait, I just realized that if there is a medic, the jailer and the medic could have combined their heals and held a 2kp hit. Wait, I just realized that if there is indeed a medic in the game, prplhz may actually be scum(balance). Holy shit. The worst is that we can't confirm if we're at MYLO or LYLO now :S On July 12 2012 11:39 Dangeresque77 wrote: well i was typing that before the day post so... anyways. this doesn't make any sense they should've killed me. or they are just storing a shot or like zeph said. there could be a medic and we both healed the same person. which would mean that they had a strong arm. if they didnt then i would be dead atm i think they are storing the shot though On July 12 2012 11:46 Dangeresque77 wrote: i jailed marvel which brings the quesion. is there a medic here? I'm not making this stuff up. You see it from both Zephirdd (he does it a bit more subtly) and D77. They want any medics to claim. How does having medic claim help us at all? How does knowing scum tried to shoot or used delay help us at all? Why is outing the medic so important, especially in a game where we already have had 2 stupid blue claims? From Zeph's perspective, the only medic possible would come from his scum suspects, and he thinks its worth outing them to be able to re-evaluate prplhz's claim on balance. From D77's perspective, a medic would mean town has 4 blue roles. A little more excusable since this could be newb mistake and he doesn't understand balance, but if he thinks they are storing the shot, how would a knowing we have medic help find scum? How does knowing mafia may have attempted a strongarm shot have any bearing on the game? Scum agenda here. I'm not making this up. prplhz, Zephirdd, Dangeresque77. Good job. | ||
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Medic please don't claim and think about the situation (why people are asking you to claim all of a sudden). | ||
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1: It did take balls to make the play. But it took balls to get prplhz out of the stupid situation he dug himself into. 2: Who could be medic? I dunno, and I don't want to know. The question leads to outing the medic, no thanks. 3: I've considered it. I've also considered how you are defending D77 on his behalf when he can easily explain himself. You've also neglected to tell us how outing the medic is worth "clearing up confusion". In anycase I'm scum and everything I say is BS to you so no need to get so heated. | ||
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On July 12 2012 13:30 Dangeresque77 wrote: SlOosh I never ask for a medic to claim his role. I was trying to get people to recognize the possibility that they didn't delay You're whole case on me Is based off of me saying that the majority of people think that zeph and prplhz are town And that I asked for medic claim(which I did not) On July 12 2012 11:46 Dangeresque77 wrote: i jailed marvel which brings the quesion. is there a medic here? I am not sure how this isn't asking medic to claim. How else could the question be answered? Scum rolecop gonna out the medic? In any case I laud you for actually reading (at least pieces of) my case. As I've said, if you don't think Zeph nor prphlz are scum it probably doesn't make much sense. | ||
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On July 12 2012 23:47 marvellosity wrote: I am going to do slOosh the courtesy of reading his posts and cases. Stuff like this doesn't help: The quotes below are not the only time I've indicated the claim makes me uncomfortable, I just found them quickly Conversely, can you find voices that were accepting and "oh this cop claim looks legit" My point isn't who was expressing concerns, but rather concerns were expressed and yet "newb D77" chose to ignore all and believe in cop claim anyhow. | ||
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On July 12 2012 09:14 marvellosity wrote: slOosh makes a big post here about the two guys he finds scummiest day 1. He cements his read on Sinensis in this post here. But come towards the end of the day, NSH voices doubts about the Sinensis lynch. Having had 2 leading candidates for the day 1 lynch, slOosh simply abandons them without further ado. He agrees on wiggles without explanation here, but WITHOUT A VOTE, and only after 3 people had voted wiggles does he join them. He gives no real explanation for why he's happy to vote wiggles over his 2 preferred candidates, only repeating others in that "he doesn't seem to be playing like his town self". He doesn't even say why HE'S not voting Sinensis, merely why others aren't. Then there's this post where he claims to have 'buyer's remorse'. Trying to look good but ever since wiggles was brought up, slOosh did nothing to push his main 2 reads. Basically what I'm getting at is this. slOosh had 2 people he said he was happy to lynch on day 1, prplhz and Sinensis (especially). But when push came to shove and the wiggles wagon started, he jumped over to wiggles without barely a peep about why this was a good idea, and he never pushed his 2 preferred lynches. Which brings us on to So I swapped because marv and NSH expressed concerns on the lynch. I respect both as players and I saw them townish. Thus when they brought up drwiggl3s and expressed more confidence in it, I trusted them and went through with it. By then my read on drwiggl3s was null (could be either). So I trusted my town reads and was ok with it, and when it seemed like we were switching over I did. My post describing him was a response to this post - yes it is just objective commentary. I realize now I wasn't transparent in why I did that. Buyer's remorse is actually the point where I suspected NSH of pushing scum counterlynch, how much resistance there was to start the Sinensis wagon. After the lynch and Sinensis couple of posts, as well as reflecting on how day played out, I bought into idea that he was extremely stubborn town once again (cf. SoaF mafia where at lylo he doesn't even try co-operating with town). I'm assuming I didn't push prplhz because I thought he could have been town at that point - honestly I can't recall that far back. It also looks like I started targeting people who suddenly were much vocal about pushing this Sinensis wagon but didn't do anything to help me D1. Yes, I wasn't transparent as to why I felt Sinensis was town. But I straight up called him town and no one addressed it On July 08 2012 13:54 slOosh wrote: Well if Sinensis is stubborn town, and prplhz is weirdo town, then D1 was wild goose chase, and therefore scum probably played lazy / lurkeresque style, making sure to fit in but not really needing to put in any effort. Thereby you could probably find them among the pile of players who didn't really push town a certain direction. Would you guys agree with this assessment? I also clearly expressed my concerns on people pushing the Sinensis wagon (why weren't they there to help me D1???) On July 10 2012 00:30 slOosh wrote: Yo MrZentor, I (slOosh), the main pusher for the Sinensis lynch, has decided he is looking townish even in light of everything I said D1. Clearly there is reason behind this. I'm not there to piggyback off anymore. From my perspective this totally looks like Sinensis is another mislynch being set up, as people who were totally absent D1 pop up and decide this is a good wagon to push. I clearly show interest in finding out Read the context: VE is totally uncooperative and passive aggressive. I said I trusted your judgements - that was before VE totally pissed me off. I said it before - I was somewhat blinded by my emotions. I just wanted him dead. Is wanting VE dead alignment telling? I'm not trying to demean his play or anything, I'm just saying that what he did pissed me off and I wanted him dead. With people showing hesitation, I thought along these lines "both are scum but this town doesn't have the guts to lynch VE. I might get shot tomorrow (probably still confident in my town-showing ability at this point) and then no one will lynch VE". I referred to PYPoison: On June 05 2012 05:48 Radfield wrote: Toad was scum who was appealing to emotion. risk.nuke was null lurker. Toad is deliberately skewing things and trying to misdirect. He is scum. I also agree that risk.nuke is probably scum too, and see no redeeming features to his play. That being said, I feel Toad is a much larger threat than risk.nuke, as he is far more able to wiggle out of a lynch if I die. risk is going no where however. That last bit where I missed the drwiggl3s filter: yes that was unintentionally scummy. By then I wanted VE dead dead dead never want to play with him again if he flips town dead, don't care what his alignment is he is playing like crap dead dead dead. So yea I pulled a scum move and didn't double check everything. Also mentioned is little things - this is probably my not-too-serious on the fly posts. Question once again is "how does it push scum agenda"? I feel like my proposed scum team is solid - there is stuff on them as individuals, there is connections between them that show a unified scum agenda. Maybe I'm being full of myself again when I say this but I feel like you vastly overestimate my ability to play mafia (especially as mafia since it would be my second time rolling not town) - in the sense that making cohesive stuff up like this would be extremely difficult to do from mafia perspective but I'm somehow pulling it off. (Unless I'm full of it again and my cases aren't really that awesome, but meh I'm still learning). | ||
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On July 13 2012 00:14 slOosh wrote: Conversely, can you find voices that were accepting and "oh this cop claim looks legit" My point isn't who was expressing concerns, but rather concerns were expressed and yet "newb D77" chose to ignore all and believe in cop claim anyhow. Maybe I misunderstood this part but if you are upset that I didn't include you in the list it's because I'm making said jab at you. Unnecessarily personal? Sorry if it was. But I'm clearly biased against VE so when you use town-flipped VE's info at me I can't really say "why would you value what he has said this game" because it turns into a discussion of how well did VE play which we can't do objectively, nor does it lead to catching scum. | ||
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On July 13 2012 01:04 MrZentor wrote: This is for Zeph, because he can't be bothered to read my responses to his questions. + Show Spoiler + It's likely that one of you and Sloosh is scum. Right now, Sloosh is doing a pretty good job of making me think you're the scum, but I'm looking forward to your case on me, so I can be more certain of the accuracy of my decision. Don't worry, now I know you're the scum and Sloosh is innocent.  Yea high five for catching logical errors where scum pigeonhole the lynch into a pool so that if one flips town they lynch the other! | ||
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On July 13 2012 01:03 marvellosity wrote: Not all posts push an agenda, slOosh. You keep asking "how does this push a scum agenda". Well, freaking out at the end of day 2 and getting me to lynch a powerful townie, that's a pretty scummy agenda (again, others were expressing doubts, but you refused to even entertain the notion he was town). You've played/obsed enough games with VE in. What he did in this game was nothing compared to the spam/crap/whatever he can put into a thread. I don't believe your massive overreaction to it was genuine. Again, I will take the time later to read your cases. That's fine - I can't really blame you if my emotions seem artificial to you, nor can I argue you to see that they were. I considered during the day that he could be town - I tried to engage in dialogue with him starting hereish. Sure I've Obsed a bunch, but I never really understood what it meant until I've actually experienced it. On July 13 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote: You were making a jab at me for not doubting prplhz's claim, when I clearly had on several occasions I was making a jab at you because you were using VE's death will against me, and from my perspective I know it's wrong. Once again, apologies - its frustration leaking through. | ||
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I'll also take this opportunity once again to point out another ~18 hours that prplhz has done nothing. ##Vote: prplhz Hey Zentor let's kill this guy. | ||
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prphlz plays cop like that because he is most likely scums. D77 looks like he is dodging my medic question. This guy can't be newb town. If you won't be swayed off my lynch, can we at least talk about my cases? I'm curious to see what people think of them, apart from the people they are directed to. Starting with D77 since it seems the most straightforward of my cases / "newb" players tend to be easier to read. | ||
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Or is the ballsyness of the situation too much balls to be considered as plausible? (prplhz scum D77 scum and they lie about prplhz roleblock and have D77 pretend to be jailor, Zeph's alignment irrelevant to plan but treatment of Zeph still strange.) | ||
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