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Actually doesn't matter. I think Zephirdd is the last scum. I think building a case on MrZentor is a moot point.
Scum attributes: Inconsistency, pushing agendas
This comes in what I initially thought was just failure to read / forgetfulness, but upon review I think that they are slips and conclusions which are arrived at with reasoning that doesn't match. Considerable are his views on the blues.
On July 10 2012 00:29 Zephirdd wrote:
HOWEVER! Not everything was lost!
The fact that prplhz claimed to be roleblocked means that we can assume a few things.
1- D77 is indeed a jailer.
2- prplhz can't be scum if Sinensis is town. A scum prplhz would just claim to not be roleblocked, which would cast suspicion on both D77 and Sinensis.
The second point puts forth the premise: prplhz cannot be scum if Sinensis is town.
Problems in reasoning: Sinensis' alignment has no bearing on what a scum prplhz would do. If a scum prplhz didn't claim roleblock, he would have to produce a read. But even if he saw that a scum prplhz claiming not roleblocked as the stronger play, it shouldn't rule out Sinensis as scum. In fact, it would actually cast doubt on D77 the claimed jailor on the grounds of game balance. Sinensis has nothing to do with claiming roleblock or not.
On July 10 2012 01:22 Zephirdd wrote:
There are a few problems here on the Sinensis lynch. The voters are MrZentor, VE and Bluelightz.
Unconfirmed players are:
- Sloosh
- MrZentor
- VE
- Bluelightz
Confirmed players are:
- marvellosity, Vigilante shot MsZontar
- prplhz, cop roleblocked**
- Dangeresque77, jailer*
- Sinensis**
- Zephirdd, cuz it's MOTHAFUCKIN ME LOL
Now a few notes should be taken here.
Sinensis never slipped like I thought he did. However, the supposed "slip" would never be said if he was scum - because he would know prplhz had been roleblocked, instead of denying it.
prplhz can't be scum either. If he was scum, his first move today would be to say "not rb'd" and claim some fake read on someone.
Since prplhz confirmed a second roleblock(mine was first), that also confirms Dangeresque77's jailer claim as legit.
All of this confirms these three players as town in my opinion.
From the four remaining players, the one I have a town read is sloosh. I said previously that I had a town read on BL, but thinking about it, it was a read from when we were talking about policy lynch and useless stuff. He may not be town at all.
Also, the issue here is that these three - MrZentor, VE and BL - are avoiding the Zentor or the VE lynches and opting for the Sinensis lynch.
How did Sinensis go into the confirmed pool? He considers the slip as null, but is using it to call him confirmed. There is an agenda here. Call Sinensis town. Why? So he can call prplhz town too based on weak reasoning. Also so he gets to push MrZentor, VE and BL. He critiques them for being on a Sinensis lynch, even though his reasoning for why Sinensis must be town is tenuous.
His followup posts when marv addresses the flaws in thinking show that he wants to call prplhz town, but again on weak reasoning. It's basically "scum prplhz should have done this, and he didn't, therefore he is town".
This has heavy, heavy contrast to his D1 assessment of him where he basically calls him scum every other post. Also note how fast he is to defend prplhz after the cop claim.
Couple of other things which show faulty reasoning that doesn't fit conclusions.
On July 10 2012 00:34 Zephirdd wrote:
The issue I have with MrZentor lynch is... erm...
MrZentor, what was your relation to MsZontar? Is she your wife, girlfriend, sister, friend, roommate...?
Opposes a MrZentor lynch without a legitimate reason. This comes when his lynch actually starts building and rolling on D2. Wants to say "we shouldn't lynch MrZentor". Uses the reason "his relation with MsZontar is important"?
On July 10 2012 09:44 Zephirdd wrote:
MrZentor lynch feels like a mistake because he always plays scummy no matter the game. I mean, he gets mislynched all time right?
What makes me think mrzentor is scum is how much he is still pushing Sinensis, under the basis that his first post was too careful. I did a recheck on Sinensis games(I actually did it!), and he usually has a less structured opening post, or talks about his job times. That is not a 100% occurrence though, and the other posts he made seems to fit his meta much better.
Also, Sinensis going "prplhz wasn't roleblocked" and then prplhz claims to be roleblocked kinda clears him imo. A scum sinensis would know for sure prplhz had been roleblocked, and wouldn't mention the opposite in a post.
And scummier candidates are on sinensis. That's an issue in a game where 9 players live and 5 is needed to lynch. 3 of them are scum. 3 of the scummiest were on Sin(VE switched). 2 confirmed are on Zentor. 1 claimed cop is on VE.
Wants to call MrZentor scum. Reason: "He didn't read Sinensis' old games and come to the same conclusion that I did".
On July 11 2012 09:34 Zephirdd wrote:
VE has been quite active lately. Most of us have just been looking down to him. But what was the reasoning to switch out of Zentor? This feels like a mistake? That's bullshit.
I hate to say this marv, but we've been following your gut too hard. We've been lazy. If VE flips town, everyone is going to be demoralized and we're going to LYLO the next day.
We have 6 votes on VE. I will switch into Zentor and leave to you decide since I'll probably not be around here at deadline(tuesday party time hooray). With 5 votes, a lynch is doable.
If I recall correctly, the general sentiment on the thread is that both of them are scum. As long as there is not a no-lynch, we're fine, right?
Seriously, I invite everyone to re-read Zentor's filter and reconsider it, as well as reading the last few posts by VE.
##unvote
##vote MrZentor
Brings the MrZentor lynch option back again when the VE lynch is pretty much set. Additionally, discredits marv for no reason. Haunting clairvoyance (read as mafia know the town list), that VE is town.
On July 11 2012 09:48 Zephirdd wrote:Look at sloosh's response. If that doesn't make a Zentor/Sloosh team, idk what it is. Also Show nested quote +Sloosh said:
Don't let the passive aggressive get to you. I'm not going to switch if you are actually wavering in your read of VE, since it means he will be alive D3 and probably marv's gonna get shot and I dunno if you have the guts to pull off a VE lynch. If marv gets shot D3, it's incredible for us. Because that would be D77 was roleblocked(he HAS to jail marv). And that would mean prplhz would have a check for us.
He takes the quote that I say (my preference for VE over MrZentor lynch) as a sign that I am scum (who is hesitant to vote for scum buddy). Sure. But then he makes this post:
On July 11 2012 09:54 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not anymore! slOosh is literally claiming scum by refusing to switch to Zentor. He literally said "I don't care who we lynch"...except he DOES doesn't he? He wants ME lynched. That's NOT what he said earlier. And that would mean Zentor has to be scum as well. Bingo!
Where now labels me scum, and therefore Zentor is scum in association with me. It's the complete opposite of what he just said. Because I'm hesitant to vote for Zentor, he must be scum? Then how am I scum? Zephirdd is making stuff up to push his agenda.
Zephirdd has shown much inconsistency and weak / unrelated reasoning to reach the conclusions that he wants to. This reveals scum agenda.
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D77, you should still jail marv because scum might not have godfather/strongarm.
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And marv I will play this card: who else seems to care about this game?
I don't know how crap / reasonable I look because honestly I haven't lived past N1 for a long time, nor have I been the focus of VE's whatever you call it. Please just give my cases due consideration - that's all.
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The million dollar question every townie should stop and ask is: why am I (slOosh) scum?
Stop. Ask yourself. Is it because the D2 lynch went sour and you want someone to blame? Then why me? What specifically did I do something to make the VE lynch happen that could only be scummy?
The only thing that Zeph is critiquing me for is a "faulty" case (it's not), and the "I won't vote for MrZentor", which I'll address first.
On July 11 2012 20:39 Zephirdd wrote:
You're hesitant to vote Zentor = You're scum because you said you would vote any of the players. You're hesitant to vote MrZentor AND you're scum -> MrZentor is scum(because why would you be ok with voting VE but not voting MrZentor when you said both were fine?)
sloosh's reasoning to not lynching Zentor is terrible. Because he feels I'm wavering my read on VE, but he never considers that there is MrZentor as a fucking lynch candidate that he himself said he would vote no problem.
At this point I think VE is scum, or at least someone I want to lynch regardless. Now that I've cooled off I realize that at the time I was pissed off at VE for his passive aggressiveness and really poor play, as well as how he kept throwing crap at me without anything substantial that I just wanted him dead. I've never seen an emotional aspect to mafia until yesterday. I got emotionally involved. I said earlier in the day I would be ok with lynching both. By the end of the day VE had sufficiently pissed me off, that I wanted to kill him. People were expressing how they didn't want to kill him. I was frustrated how town was chickening themselves out of every single lynch on the "oh man the meta doesn't fit I'm nervous".
But, in my situation, why wouldn't I prefer the VE lynch?
In my situation, where I thought both were scum, and that VE would be incredibly harder to lynch and if we let him go now then how are we going to lynch him later since this town obviously has a problem with lynching people,
why wouldn't I prefer the VE lynch?
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I've decided just to address a singleton point in Zeph's case as an example. Because most of this town doesn't like to read and engaging in a bout will just turn people off, which will lead to a "I can't be arsed whatever I'll vote slOosh" mislynch.
I think if you truly spend time to read my case you will find that Zeph doesn't actually address many my points, and when he nitpicks for something to defend, he turns it around against me saying that I am fabricating things. I'm not making stuff up, read my case.
On July 11 2012 20:39 Zephirdd wrote:Finally: Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 09:48 Zephirdd wrote:Look at sloosh's response. If that doesn't make a Zentor/Sloosh team, idk what it is. Also Sloosh said:
Don't let the passive aggressive get to you. I'm not going to switch if you are actually wavering in your read of VE, since it means he will be alive D3 and probably marv's gonna get shot and I dunno if you have the guts to pull off a VE lynch. If marv gets shot D3, it's incredible for us. Because that would be D77 was roleblocked(he HAS to jail marv). And that would mean prplhz would have a check for us. He takes the quote that I say (my preference for VE over MrZentor lynch) as a sign that I am scum (who is hesitant to vote for scum buddy). Sure. But then he makes this post: On July 11 2012 09:54 Zephirdd wrote:On July 11 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not anymore! slOosh is literally claiming scum by refusing to switch to Zentor. He literally said "I don't care who we lynch"...except he DOES doesn't he? He wants ME lynched. That's NOT what he said earlier. And that would mean Zentor has to be scum as well. Bingo! Where now labels me scum, and therefore Zentor is scum in association with me. It's the complete opposite of what he just said. Because I'm hesitant to vote for Zentor, he must be scum? Then how am I scum? Zephirdd is making stuff up to push his agenda. I invite anyone to read the first and second passage of sloosh's. This is what he said: "He takes an argument and calls me and mrzentor scum. sure. But then he calls me and mrzentor scum!" And then he says its the opposite?! REALLY? That's blatantly forging of arguments in order to push a terrible, terrible case. This is not sloosh. This is an aberrant. Sloosh is a really, really good town player perfectly capable of making simple associations.
He is avoiding the issue that I bring up. In the first quote, he says MrZentor is scum and by association slOosh must be scum too. In the second, he says that slOosh is scum, and therefore by association, MrZentor is scum too. There is inconsistency - he wants to call us both scum but is using non-existent reasoning to push it. Notice how he doesn't even address it - instead he mocks my case and my play this game.
Sloosh has been pushing a terrible, forged case in order to cast suspicion on a townie at LYLO.
Sloosh is Aberrant.
Tomorrow we will be lynching Sloosh, and the day after we will lynch MrZentor. By that time, it will be 2v1 and I'm pretty sure the remaining town(I doubt I'll live 'till then) will be able to find the last scum.
Here he isn't really thinking ahead, he is just making stuff up. We have 8 players, 5 town 3 scum. Suppose that I am scum. Night shot -> 4 town 3 scum. Lynch me -> 4 town 2 scum. Night shot 3 town 2 scum. Note that the night shots have to be on marv (confirmed town) and D77 (jailor who would protect). Lynch Zentor 3 town 1 scum. Shoot Zeph? Not prplhz the claimed and in his eyes confirmed cop?
You can also note the same exact contradiction. If he is ok with lynching both me and MrZentor, why must I go first? From his perspective, he sees me as scummy for preferring a VE lynch over MrZentor, however he does the exact same thing and has no problem with it.
Zeph isn't confused / naively misunderstanding connections. He is pushing scum agenda. Marv you mentioned the miller thing:
On July 01 2012 13:20 Zephirdd wrote:Okay then, My absolutely flawless plan of drawing a shot night 1 fucking worked. Basically, I went full apeshit on the miller stuff, focusing so much on "protecting our blues" and "we need to keep the possible blue pool as large as possible!" into "holy shit I'm a vanilla and I was shot n1"  Is that logic correct, rastaban?
It was to draw a shot N1. What is he doing this game? He is using it to defend prphlz, drawing tenuous relations, setting up mislynches without proper reason: he is pushing scum agenda.
p.s. I appeal to marv the most since he seems to be the only town person actively reading this game. Anyone else please state concerns / questions to me. Because ironically, everyone else went AWOL after the VE lynch.
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Drop the meta - have you ever played with me / seen me play past D1?
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Whatever if you think I'm scum then I did a poor job / scum did a good one. I've said all that I could and if you won't believe me, neither will this sheeping half-assed town. I apologize to any town players who have actually been putting effort in; I can't see it though so please pardon my frustration.
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I would think of all people here you marv would understand what a tunneling VE means.
Point is this: if I am acting out of place, how is it pushing scum agenda? I've shown through my case that Zeph is pushing an agenda and you've yet to discuss the validity of my cases.
How does my interactions with Sinensis show I'm scum? Am I scum for somehow introducing the drwiggl3s alternative lynch? Am I scum for being the first to call him stubborn town? Am I scum when people just say "let's lynch Sinensis" without asking me my opinions? Am I scum for assuming that D1 was a goose chase and that therefore Sinensis was an easy lynch? Am I scum because VE, VE, decided to pull his emotional stuff on me? Am I scum because whilst the MrZentor lynch was rolling along, prplhz comes in and 3 people (you yourself, zeph and D77) switch onto VE before me, and somehow I get all the blame for VE lynch? Am I scum for saying a couple of "off" posts even though you don't know how it's pushing scum agenda?
There is no case against me.
I'll say it again: There is no case against me.
There is only confusion from the VE mislynch and some notion that I'm not performing like a town slOosh would, and scum manipulation of it. Liar game was a PM game. I've died N1 4 out of the last 5 games. I've never had VE wreck my name like that. Of course I won't look exactly like your perceived notions.
I'm not scum.
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Zeph is approaching it backwards as he has been all game. He called me scum before I made my case and therefore his countercase. And as I've said again and again all day, there is no case against me. To call me scum is to say there is something before the countercase: Zeph hasn't shown anything beside the VE thing, which I've already addressed.
prplhz is continuing to play apathetically and is using the "I'll do it tomorrow if I'm alive" as an illogical excuse (why would scum team that rb'ed you first day decide to shoot you over confirmed town marv?) to not do anything.
He doesn't actually give his opinion. He is just saying random crap without reasoning or justification.
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So why are you trying to find all scum at once Zeph?
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Mmm. So my buddy Bluelightz decided to help out and shift the wagon off MrZentor right?
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On July 12 2012 06:49 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 06:46 slOosh wrote:
So why are you trying to find all scum at once Zeph? Why are you asking this? Do you have any problem with hunting multiple scum at once? I seriously see no point in this question. I'm trying to find all of them at once because I have a list of town reads, and the remaining have to be scum.
Because it's easily manipulative by scum. You list all three and unless you nail them all they can easily misdirect to the townie mislynch. I'm doing it because I have to prove my towniness and my lynch will end the game. Why are you acting like you have to find all of them now?
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On July 12 2012 06:50 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 06:48 slOosh wrote:
Mmm. So my buddy Bluelightz decided to help out and shift the wagon off MrZentor right? You are smarter than that sloosh. You know better than anyone else that Bluelightz is like THE guy to have at lylo. Having him bus someone is just perfect. This, or I'm wrong. As I said, he is the one player I'm uncertain about.
You are avoiding the point. On D2 I hopped on the MrZentor wagon as marv pushed / pressured. I wasn't the one to switch it onto VE. Prplhz introduced it. Three people hopped on before me. Are you saying that I was really fortuitous that the whole thing was town induced?
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On July 12 2012 06:58 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 06:52 slOosh wrote:On July 12 2012 06:50 Zephirdd wrote:On July 12 2012 06:48 slOosh wrote:
Mmm. So my buddy Bluelightz decided to help out and shift the wagon off MrZentor right? You are smarter than that sloosh. You know better than anyone else that Bluelightz is like THE guy to have at lylo. Having him bus someone is just perfect. This, or I'm wrong. As I said, he is the one player I'm uncertain about. You are avoiding the point. On D2 I hopped on the MrZentor wagon as marv pushed / pressured. I wasn't the one to switch it onto VE. Prplhz introduced it. Three people hopped on before me. Are you saying that I was really fortuitous that the whole thing was town induced? Prplhz is 1 + 3 people hopping on before you = 4 + you = 5On day 2 it took 5 people to lynch. And you think this makes you look innocent?
I'm saying that calling me scum by associative tell with MrZentor is ridiculous from Zephirdd's perspective.
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On July 12 2012 07:06 prplhz wrote:
This is not apathetic. I've had a busy day and I don't feel like writing huge cases, my reads are what I just wrote and I'll flesh them out tomorrow if I am alive. If I flip them you have them for what decision you make tomorrow. Why wouldn't scum hit a cop? They can't kill marvellosity because there is a jailkeeper (I don't think that strongarm kills through jailkeeping and we don't even know if scum has a godfather or that he didn't use strongarm yet) and they can't roleblock him without allowing me to make a check. You are just making wild assumptions about what scum will do or will not do and trying to incriminate me like that and that's one of the reason I think that you are scum. Why aren't you afraid of getting shot? You just pointed out the entire scum team didn't you?
Of course strongarm kills through jailkeeping - what the heck is the point of it then? I'm not making wild assumptions, I'm making quite sensible ones. Me getting shot is great because it gives weight to my cases, eliminates a very possible mislynch, and we get to keep mod confirmed town marv. I'm telling you guys, prplhz is making up an excuse not to flesh out his reads.
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The whole point is that prplhz has been "busy" for a whole 144 hours, and is promising to explain his reads but doesn't want to do it now, when marv might potentially die tonight. Basically he gets to voice his thoughts without having town confirmed marv evaluate them.
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On June 30 2012 04:54 GMarshal wrote:
Police Officer (Jailkeeper)
Caught in this malestorm of dreams and who knows what else, you are in quite a precarious situation. This doesn't amuse you at all, but you have no choice, you must face the dream-realm and cast it back. Because of your position you may arrest someone each night, keeping them from going out and performing actions as well as stopping the first kp aimed at them that night. Your targets will know they were roleblocked, but neither of you will be notified of a successful save. Factional KP cannot be roleblocked. You may not target yourself
Prplhz isn't even checking the OP at this point (read. scum making up stuff to cover up other stuff)
Sinensis, Bluelightz and D77 you gotta get in here and start figuring this out. Scum influence will be strongest tomorrow.
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Last scum is D77 not MrZentor.
Medic do not claim. Scum used delay.
Lynch me fine - we can still win this if we have a medic / vet.
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Yaya, I'm writing my final case this game.
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Nervous? Because if whatever I conjure could only be total BS, you shouldn't be nervous at all.
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