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On June 29 2012 11:39 Promethelax wrote: Anacletus, since you didn't answer me earlier I have to assume that you missed my post. What do your notes say? The only reason to hide your reads from us is because you are scum. We, as town, have to win as a collective and that means sharing information. Share your reads with us. This post: "What about you, monk? The color of the hammer next to your name trying to tell us something? Hell, if nothing else, and we end up with nobody really screaming "scum", we should totally ban the pants off of the banling, just for irony." by JingleHell's name really worries me, he seems to content to kill off someone else for 'the irony' which can only be considered scummy. We need to go after someone, not because it is funny but, because it helps town win. Going after Monk without proof is going against Town's win condition. I don't know if JH is scum but that post seems particularly scummy and I'm not the only one to notice it. In fact just after making that post claiming that we should kill someone just for shits and gigs JH has continued to fill the thread with nonsense, it seems to me that he knows exactly what he is doing too, See that there? He knows that shitting up the thread benefits Mafia but has done it anyway with these joke votes waiting for one to stick. I think that if one had stuck, as he is trying to make his 'scumread' on Anacletus stick he would follow it through to kill a townie. I think that JH is playing a scummy game and its time we showed him that it isn't that easy to push town around and mislead us. I think JH is probably scum based on his play so far, what do you say? Im not understanding your logic just because some one said we should lynch someone means hes mafia? What else are we supposed to do at this point in the game we have zero information besides cryptic bantering. I dont think any value can be put into what someone says on the first day. | ||
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On June 29 2012 13:01 Anacletus wrote: I already said that from what I've seen the mafia is generally extremely passive the first day, so my general thoughts on Jingle is that he is a townie. So by that logic filter AmericanUmlaut and Fencer710 are definatly mafia. I dont buy the passive argument its only been a few hours they could just be busy hell they might not have even opened their pms with their role yet. since the only information we have is the ramblings my top 2 right now are ancaletus and promethelax but i wouldnt put much stock in either right now. | ||
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On June 29 2012 22:29 Fencer710 wrote: My proof here is that I'm posting at 6:28 AM pacific time, and many times during the night before. Check my post history. I dont understand what you are trying to prove? Once the game started you did latch onto another opinion. Even if you were "asleep" you still latched on. | ||
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On June 30 2012 00:58 NrGmonk wrote: I'm not too familiar with this game, so is this normal, or plausible, or is this just a joke? Just to clarify, from his new posts, I don't think JH was trying to instigate chaos but rather was doing a good job inciting discussion. It was partly due to his comments that we've gotten this far. I think its pretty obvious its a joke....... | ||
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and thats google translate so it has to be right. | ||
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so i vote## Anacletus | ||
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What happens if you dont vote in time? If everyone votes does the time limt still have to be reaches or do we immediatly have to enter the next stage? | ||
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On July 01 2012 02:44 BobTheLob wrote: Just as a small defence for myself, I never post much and rarely post more than a few lines, it's just how I post as for bandwagoning... I'm new  I have next to no idea what I'm doing and despite having read up on all of the resources still am a bit lost. As for reads, I just have a feeling about Anacletus, but whether or not he's scum I have no idea the same with Fencer.I didn't post earlier because I just woke up and last night I was playing a game of Civ IV with my friends :D I would like to point out that you basicaly used the same argument fencer made several pages ago that he was asleep and just happened to latch on to antoher persons view. It really doesnt matter if your townie or not but your post is especially bad because not only do you cast suspicion on your self for no reason you are in no way helping the town if in fact you are a townie. If you had simply read the thread you would have seen the same thing happening to fencer. | ||
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Since you asked i think you are a bad townie. | ||
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On July 01 2012 06:27 AmericanUmlaut wrote: I think we should save discussion for morning. Posting our thoughts during the night just gives the PBUs more information to consider when picking their night hit. Plus anyone with abilities is going to get a little bit of information. we can overly anlyze everone's post like we did on day 1 and look what that got us. We should wait and move forward with a bit more logic on our side. | ||
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On July 02 2012 08:23 Fencer710 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 09:33 Promethelax wrote: Between and something happened. Something more than the passage of 23 minutes. Looking into the thread it seems that it was JH and his actually bad post that convinced Myles to change his mind. See a 50% chance of hitting scum on d1 is good. I would take that on any d1 since clearly leaving us to our own devices didn't work very well. Since all that happened to change Myles' mind in thread was that one poorly thought out post I wonder if there wasn't something outside the thread that was posted, maybe in scum qt? No proof but something I'm taking into account. He follows this with a lot of useless one-liners and non-committal attacks against both Fencer and Anacletus. After wading through the mess he has made of his posting I also found this: where he says things that sound townie but doesn't do anything with those things. The next post I want you to pay attention to is this one: which brought my attention on to our hopeless friend. From this point on he knows he is being watched and his posts change slightly. After this point Wonder never hard defends himself, instead he stops posting one-liners and tries to look more active, it looks to me like a guy who knows he is under suspicsion and wants to change that. That is not a town trait. When one of us comes under suspicsion our goal should be to act in a pro-town way to hunt scum, instead 1der has posted in a pro 1der way and not attempted to hunt scum at all. So, if that hasn't onvinced you, and I'm not sure it should I would like to give you the crowning jewl in the hopeless1der is a hopeless scum player case. Let's look at his conclusion: it is bad to have a no lynch because if we kill of a town statistics suggests our next random lynch will be more likely to hit scum. Remember before this game started I said I was sorry if I was dumber than two rocks making love? I now present you with one of the two rocks required. Hopeless is either scum or playing an anti-town game because he has no idea what he is doing. Since the rest of us newbs figured it out I would guess it is the former rather than the latter. I believe he has also completely ignored Intact as well, and vice versa. This makes me even more certain that they are Mafia. ##Vote Hopeless1der Before we go so willy nilly with our votes and put hopeless on the execution block we should at least wait to see what intact has to say. Hopeless brought up some good points and there is no reason to rush to vote since we have so much time on our hands. Lets get all the information we can before voting. | ||
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Hopeless makes a good point if you are in fact town who should we be looking at. IF you have possible info due to your ability let us know. One of the rules is try to win by giving up you are making it look yourself to almost 100% being scum. You need to give us information to go on. I will let you respond before i cast my vote. | ||
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On July 03 2012 01:04 ghost_403 wrote: Fencar has officially dropped out and will be (hopefully) replaced. I dont know what to think now he is either the most frustrated town member ever or this is a brilliant play by the scum. | ||
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On July 03 2012 14:48 sciberbia wrote: Okay it is just about time for me to call it a day. I quickly read through the filters of Hopeless1der and Fencar. On first read, Fencar actually looks townie to me. I would really not like to lynch him today, and I hope he is not modkilled. I'm not so sure about Hopeless1der. He looks scummy for the first half of his filter, and then it's like he turns on a switch and starts posting some good analysis on Intact and others. I want to see more from him and don't think he's a good lynch today. Who I think we should lynch today Fencar and Intact seem to be the popular targets. My cursory opinion is that Fencar is town. Also, he is getting modkilled/replaced. I'd really not like to lynch him today. I think Intact might be scum, but I'm not convinced. I think we have better targets, and I'd not like to lynch Intact today. As I've said, both BobTheLob and BLinD-RawR look quite scummy to me. I'd be shocked if neither was scum and wouldn't be surprised if both are scum. I feel strongly that we should lynch one of these two today. I feel stronger about BLinD-Rawr. My schedule I'm going to sleep now, and then I'll be at work from the time I get up through the deadline. So I can't do any more significant reading or posting until after the lynch. I assure you that I will be following the thread from work though. You can count on me changing my vote to the majority candidate before the deadline if that is what is needed to prevent a No-Lynch. But for now, I'm feeling more confident about BLinD-Rawr than BobTheLob, so I will ##Vote BLinD-Rawr I agree with a lot of the points you laid out here but i dont agree with the final conclusion. Blindy has been like several others lurking (myself included) The case that you put up against him not even close to how strong of an argument that you put out on bobthelob. This post in particular is the one that bothers me On July 01 2012 09:03 BobTheLob wrote: Okay, I've lurked this entire game and I'm starting to realize that that is a bad idea, now on the topic of reads: iamperfection and I am very fucking suspicious We're screwed by nature of our habits. See lurking People are bandwagoning onto fencer now I agree he was acting odd but it's not conclusive Jingle and Promethelax are working together quite well and the rest of us are just following them. They seem to have alot of the same ideas... paying attention to them Myles hasn't posted to little or to much, he's playing it super safe. Not a clue Blind is, more or less in the same boat as me albeit a bit less so. See above AmericanUmlaut is doing quite well all his moves are well thought out but we still have no idea what side he's on could be one could be the other. No idea for him either Hopeless1der also seems to be the victim of a bit of bandwagoning but he seems pretty cool I'm thinking he's a town but hey I could be wrong Lastly Intact has been promoting conversation since the game began but seems to be in the same boat as me and perfection in that he hasn't posted enough. also not posting enough but I don't know That's all I got, keeping in mind that we have only one death so far and the night is going to be the most important bit so far because as Jingle said, the scum will try to set someone up Do games normally move this pace or faster/slower? As you pointed out this is very wishy washy but also this only serves as attempt to confuse the town and drive us all against each other. He is effectivly saying " hey you know who scould be scum. Everybody" He could then still stay off to the sideline with his non commitment when the lynching dosent go the towns way. What do we really have on blindy to go on besides lurking. He has given limited reads like my fellow lurkers but of the reads he did give he gave one right one in thinking jingle was town. In my view Blind has been trying to help the town while bob had been trying to hurt us. | ||
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doubleEBWOP: blindy is the nickname for blind-rawr even if denies it. | ||
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On July 05 2012 14:45 Keirathi wrote: Sorry if it seemed like I was ignoring your proposal. I am of the opinion that no-lynch is a good idea for town in this situation, but in my last game (XVIII), I proposed the same plan in the same situation (5 townies, 3 scum) and spent a lot of time vehemently defending it. In the end, I got shot down (and it wouldn't have worked anyways because plurality system instead of majority in that game, which I didn't understand) repeatedly (although in hindsight, the people arguing against me were all scum), and our doc ended up getting lynched and we lost the game. If other people are on-board, I'm all for it. I personally think it benefits town, but I won't spend time arguing for it because we just waste time that could be used discussing candidates instead. Not to start an argument but i dont see how a no lynch benefits us in any way. Unless we get lucky at nigh wouldnt the scum just have to convince 1 person to join their cause and its gg? To me that seems like a huge gamble for very little benefit. If we are going to win this game we need to lynch today and we need to lynch preferbally a scum with a role. I will spend most of my morning reading through the thread again and will report back later this afternoon or tonight. | ||
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Bobthelob throughout the game has tried to potray this look of "excuse me im a noob just a nervous townie dont mind me" when in truth he has been trying to subtly undermine the town while trying to blend in with the fellow lurkers such as myself. He has also tried to use the excuse that he either been sleep deprived or drunk to explain the lacking in his posts. I prefer "Paranoid as hell dude who has no idea what to do" to "towny scared out of shell" JH. On July 03 2012 16:15 BobTheLob wrote: Will be leaving in about 5 minuets so if you have a response to my post please post the gist of it now so I can respond Sleep deprivation's a bitch On July 02 2012 09:26 BobTheLob wrote: Yay not me! :D :D :D :D :D What reads do you have on me(Besides scared/drunk/hasnoideawhattodo) His posts attempt to make the town look at as many people as possible trying to make us all confused by not giving any real target and trying to keep low and the atention on others. On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote: Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite. (In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer) So in other words it could be anyone. On July 02 2012 08:42 BobTheLob wrote: Also hopeless makes since now butttttt I still think he's a bit iffy Fencer wit the early vote wtf dude! EXPLAIN So it could be hopeless or it could be somebody else plus EVERYONE NOW LOOK AT FENCAR. On July 01 2012 09:03 BobTheLob wrote: Okay, I've lurked this entire game and I'm starting to realize that that is a bad idea, now on the topic of reads: iamperfection and I am very fucking suspicious We're screwed by nature of our habits. See lurking People are bandwagoning onto fencer now I agree he was acting odd but it's not conclusive Jingle and Promethelax are working together quite well and the rest of us are just following them. They seem to have alot of the same ideas... paying attention to them Myles hasn't posted to little or to much, he's playing it super safe. Not a clue Blind is, more or less in the same boat as me albeit a bit less so. See above AmericanUmlaut is doing quite well all his moves are well thought out but we still have no idea what side he's on could be one could be the other. No idea for him either Hopeless1der also seems to be the victim of a bit of bandwagoning but he seems pretty cool I'm thinking he's a town but hey I could be wrong Lastly Intact has been promoting conversation since the game began but seems to be in the same boat as me and perfection in that he hasn't posted enough. also not posting enough but I don't know That's all I got, keeping in mind that we have only one death so far and the night is going to be the most important bit so far because as Jingle said, the scum will try to set someone up Do games normally move this pace or faster/slower? Ive made this point before he is trying to keep us confused and guessing by trying to lay blame on almost everyone this in no way helps the town. Saying it could be this guy is way for the scum to argue hey i was sucpicious of this guy and he turned scum so therfore im not scum. He's trying to cover all his bases. However i think a more recent play is the best piece of evidence is something that happened a bit more recently. Think back to when all the crap was sliding twoards fencar. Fencar has his little temper tantrum and picked up his ball and went home but then all the attention slides away from fencar. Bob see's and whats does he do when he gets some heat. On July 04 2012 12:11 BobTheLob wrote: I've more or less given up, I dug myself a hole. I realize that I look scummy as hell and there is very little I can do to convince you otherwise because if I suddenly got a whole bunch of shit put together and did some epic reads it would just be me doing damage control and still look scummy. Now IMO Prome is scum and that's who I'll be voting tomorrow if we don't get anything better. Also I realize that I'm dead sooooooo... Yeah FML. By threating to quit just like fencar did hes hoping the heat will leave him. I saw what happened with fencar and hes trying to buy another day and getting another mislynch which will basically lead to gg. So therfore bob is scum Vote ## bobthelob | ||
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On July 06 2012 14:38 BobTheLob wrote: Wait what? I said I've dug myself a hole because I have, you've even proved that. I don't blame you for it in the slightest. what? | ||
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On July 07 2012 03:23 Miltonkram wrote: @ Keirathi I disagree. I feel like if you look at the flow of thought in iamperfection's filter, it doesn't make sense for anyone but scum. There are other players who were pretty wishy-washy at the time, but iamperfection states, "I dont agree with the line of thinking that got the bandwagon on anacletus," before anacletus was lynched. This sounds like a player who knows Anacletus is town. I don't think any of the other players had quite so bad a line of reasoning as iamperfection, and I'm calling him out on it. I think he has the greatest chance of flipping scum of any of the players left in the game. When you look back at what happened for the first day anacletus was lynched for basically telling a joke. All though i didnt write anything at the time i thought it was really dumb that we were just lynching someone because he made one of the cuff remark. Later their were arguments that no lynch was worse than lynching a townie so for better or worse i decided to go along with it. Looking back on my posts now they are overall mediocore in my view in that i was just trying to survive. I am trying to get rid of the wish washyness in my posts now because its crunch time and if were going to win we need to be almost perfect in our steps and im more confident in how to play this game. | ||
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On July 07 2012 03:52 BobTheLob wrote: oh and ##Vote BobTheLob Why would give yourself 2 votes? if you want a no lynch just pick someone with 0. the scum could come in at the last min and get a lynch. | ||
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On July 10 2012 06:04 Keirathi wrote: That is possible, but I still find it highly, HIGHLY unlikely. Prom, AU, perfection was my read coming into today.  | ||
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