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On May 30 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marvel, the correct response is "my thoughts are X and Y and Z"...my question of you wasn't an accusation, so there's no need to get defensive. Saying things like "I already said" and "I made a comment" are very defensive when all I wanted was your input.
:/ Much like Magic you are reading my responses as defensive when they were not. I'm just baffled you are asking questions I have already stated clear opinions on or at least alluded to.
This was his defense in LV, the Zim themed large we were just in. Marv DOMINATED that game as scum, and look at what his first act of the game was (upon replacing in)! It was using his "meta" as a personalized defense against my accusations. Look at his defense this game! Oddly enough, it's a personalized "meta" defense again!
Marv, your response?
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I'm supposed to talk about someone else in my defence?
And in the nested quote it states quite clearly there weren't any accusations...
that's twice this game now you've misrepresented something, wilfully or not. i'm watching you
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This is to confirm that I am staying in the game.
You're all stuck with me! 
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On June 22 2012 08:55 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote:
This is a semi-closed setup. If there are 13 players, it's possible that 12 are medics and 1 is a scum. Of course that's retarded as fuck, but nothing is concrete and we shouldn't think "but it's not common to 2 of X" exist ever. at all.
In fact, we can't even confirm the existence of a SK until after the night phase.
I'm not sure about Millers instaclaiming. While it clears path for cops(as it's pretty obvious that they will show red), it also reduces the number of possible blues, making it easier for scum. At least what I understood from the setup is that Millers can't be blues.
If anything, Millers should be breadcrumbing and claiming in case a cop calls them guilty. For all other purposes, they should be *Vanilla*(unclaimed, aka. possible blue) to make it harder for mafia to shoot into blues. I find this post entirely underwhelming zephir. You have basically reiterated what Probulous and slOosh already pointed out, then proceed to suggest something completely asinine (millers breadcrumbing). Do you have nothing else in the thread to comment on?
What do you expect me to comment on? The stupid marvellosity push that is going on atm? Whether he flips scum or town, I'll say that whatever the fuck is going here is just play stupid. I guess it does provide some discussion, but it's mostly fingerpointing and going 'ZOMG HE PLAYD GOOD SCUMZ'
About claims(ie miller claims), I'm with probulous. Let's not reduce the number of possible blues so early. A good miller should show himself to be town, and a good cop should realize when he investigates a miller. I never liked early claims anyway.
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On June 22 2012 09:25 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 08:55 Snarfs wrote:On June 22 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote:
This is a semi-closed setup. If there are 13 players, it's possible that 12 are medics and 1 is a scum. Of course that's retarded as fuck, but nothing is concrete and we shouldn't think "but it's not common to 2 of X" exist ever. at all.
In fact, we can't even confirm the existence of a SK until after the night phase.
I'm not sure about Millers instaclaiming. While it clears path for cops(as it's pretty obvious that they will show red), it also reduces the number of possible blues, making it easier for scum. At least what I understood from the setup is that Millers can't be blues.
If anything, Millers should be breadcrumbing and claiming in case a cop calls them guilty. For all other purposes, they should be *Vanilla*(unclaimed, aka. possible blue) to make it harder for mafia to shoot into blues. I find this post entirely underwhelming zephir. You have basically reiterated what Probulous and slOosh already pointed out, then proceed to suggest something completely asinine (millers breadcrumbing). Do you have nothing else in the thread to comment on? What do you expect me to comment on? The stupid marvellosity push that is going on atm? Whether he flips scum or town, I'll say that whatever the fuck is going here is just play stupid. I guess it does provide some discussion, but it's mostly fingerpointing and going 'ZOMG HE PLAYD GOOD SCUMZ' About claims(ie miller claims), I'm with probulous. Let's not reduce the number of possible blues so early. A good miller should show himself to be town, and a good cop should realize when he investigates a miller. I never liked early claims anyway.
If he felt it wise to investigate him in the first place, then how would he realise when he investigates a miller? That makes zero sense.
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On June 22 2012 09:24 MrZentor wrote:This is to confirm that I am staying in the game. You're all stuck with me!
Confirming the confirmation, but in blue text, cause I'm just better than all of you.
Let the herpa derpa mafia continue.
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On June 22 2012 09:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 09:25 Zephirdd wrote:On June 22 2012 08:55 Snarfs wrote:On June 22 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote:
This is a semi-closed setup. If there are 13 players, it's possible that 12 are medics and 1 is a scum. Of course that's retarded as fuck, but nothing is concrete and we shouldn't think "but it's not common to 2 of X" exist ever. at all.
In fact, we can't even confirm the existence of a SK until after the night phase.
I'm not sure about Millers instaclaiming. While it clears path for cops(as it's pretty obvious that they will show red), it also reduces the number of possible blues, making it easier for scum. At least what I understood from the setup is that Millers can't be blues.
If anything, Millers should be breadcrumbing and claiming in case a cop calls them guilty. For all other purposes, they should be *Vanilla*(unclaimed, aka. possible blue) to make it harder for mafia to shoot into blues. I find this post entirely underwhelming zephir. You have basically reiterated what Probulous and slOosh already pointed out, then proceed to suggest something completely asinine (millers breadcrumbing). Do you have nothing else in the thread to comment on? What do you expect me to comment on? The stupid marvellosity push that is going on atm? Whether he flips scum or town, I'll say that whatever the fuck is going here is just play stupid. I guess it does provide some discussion, but it's mostly fingerpointing and going 'ZOMG HE PLAYD GOOD SCUMZ' About claims(ie miller claims), I'm with probulous. Let's not reduce the number of possible blues so early. A good miller should show himself to be town, and a good cop should realize when he investigates a miller. I never liked early claims anyway. If he felt it wise to investigate him in the first place, then how would he realise when he investigates a miller? That makes zero sense.
Err, good point actually.
A Good miller would never be investigated in the first place.
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Zephirdd:
On June 20 2012 06:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
Ignoring the day 1 vig fake claim we had the VE miller claim, which was 100% the correct play to do. VE handled the situation well and anyone who was even half reading the thread should have realized that VE was more likely to be town than scum in that situation.
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Marv is right. Millers should claim instantly and I will push for a policy lynch on any miller who does not claim D1, or anyone who supports keeping millers hidden. An important aspect of this game will be claims, and giving scum ammo to make miller claims is bull.
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STOP TALKING ABOUT MILLER CLAIMS
Now, Marv, my accusation was that you were being defensive when I wasn't attacking you. That's the accusation. I accused you of being overly defensive. What part about that is 'misrepresenting' what happened in that game?
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is that from the last C9++? What was the situation? Did VE claim miller day1?
I just don't understand how claiming miller so early helps more so than just playing as VT and pro-town, making sure you don't even need to be investigated.
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On June 22 2012 09:34 slOosh wrote:
Marv is right. Millers should claim instantly and I will push for a policy lynch on any miller who does not claim D1, or anyone who supports keeping millers hidden. An important aspect of this game will be claims, and giving scum ammo to make miller claims is bull.
What's the difference between a town and a scum miller claim?
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On June 22 2012 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
I'm supposed to talk about someone else in my defence?
And in the nested quote it states quite clearly there weren't any accusations...
that's twice this game now you've misrepresented something, wilfully or not. i'm watching you
Bolded is a strawman argument that was designed to discredit my accusations.
Italicized shows MARV blatantly misrepresenting the situation, as the nested quote WAS the accusation. He's trying to use the fact that the context is not there to fool everyone, but don't worry guys...VE is here.
Underlined is an empty accusation with no evidence and an empty threat. Keep on watchin Marv, I'm sure you'll see something you like. 
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On June 22 2012 09:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
STOP TALKING ABOUT MILLER CLAIMS
Now, Marv, my accusation was that you were being defensive when I wasn't attacking you. That's the accusation. I accused you of being overly defensive. What part about that is 'misrepresenting' what happened in that game?
what are you talking about?
in LV I was being defensive when you weren't actually attacking me? so what? you are attacking me here, so what's that got to do with this game?
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It's absolutely imperative that we resolve this miller claim issue. If we aren't all on the same page then scum can use the miller business to screw us over later. It has to be clear. Late-claiming millers will be policy lynched on the basis of it is purely anti-town. Scum can also "look VT and pro-town", so that is just foolish Zephirdd.
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VE, you're so tedious sometimes.
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On June 22 2012 09:38 slOosh wrote:
It's absolutely imperative that we resolve this miller claim issue. If we aren't all on the same page then scum can use the miller business to screw us over later. It has to be clear. Late-claiming millers will be policy lynched on the basis of it is purely anti-town. Scum can also "look VT and pro-town", so that is just foolish Zephirdd.
I think this about covers it. Now stop please and comment on Marv, who I've fingered as our first lynch candidate.
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On June 22 2012 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote::OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Anyways look what I found guys! Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 06:16 marvellosity wrote:On May 30 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marvel, the correct response is "my thoughts are X and Y and Z"...my question of you wasn't an accusation, so there's no need to get defensive. Saying things like "I already said" and "I made a comment" are very defensive when all I wanted was your input.
:/ Much like Magic you are reading my responses as defensive when they were not. I'm just baffled you are asking questions I have already stated clear opinions on or at least alluded to. This was his defense in LV, the Zim themed large we were just in. Marv DOMINATED that game as scum, and look at what his first act of the game was (upon replacing in)! It was using his "meta" as a personalized defense against my accusations. Look at his defense this game! Oddly enough, it's a personalized "meta" defense again! Marv, your response?
This is the second misrepresentation. Trying to compare a 'defence' in a game where I wasn't accused to my defence this game where I am in fact accused
First misrepresentation:
On June 22 2012 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
here's a clue
count how many times anyone said i said or even hinted at anything scummy in LV
see the pressure i was under at the start in magic at the start for wanting to shoot NT off the bat
compare to current situation
profit
On June 22 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probulous, what did you see when you went back and read Magic? When I went back, all I saw was a completely different opening strategy. I mean, he could just be doing a fast-expand or something, but it's looking kinda cheesy to me. :/
I clearly said what I was referring to in Magic and yet you try to pretend that you went and looked and didn't find anything. Despite the fact I said exactly what I was referring to.
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Marv, I find myself to be terribly entertaining, so you're going to have to surround that statement with some sort of context if you want me to understand what you mean.
Now, my argument isn't about you defending yourself for the same reason. My argument is that you're defending yourself in the same fashion...using meta. You're encouraging everyone to leave the thread and go read other games. Why?
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On June 22 2012 09:38 slOosh wrote:
It's absolutely imperative that we resolve this miller claim issue. If we aren't all on the same page then scum can use the miller business to screw us over later. It has to be clear. Late-claiming millers will be policy lynched on the basis of it is purely anti-town. Scum can also "look VT and pro-town", so that is just foolish Zephirdd.
How about we just ignore Millers? I mean no-one has claimed, they are just a possibility and even then, for them to have any influence on the game, they have to be checked by a DT. Like I said earlier, beware any claim in this setup. So let's drop the issue. If we get screwed because someone plays scummy, gets checked red and turns out to be miller, well so be it.
Can you do something other than go on about Millers?
Where the fuck is Mattchew? He is the one that asked Marv the original question and has nothing to say about Marv's response or the push on Marv?
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