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lynch isn't until tomorrow, it's a signal of current intention/my current knowledge.
The rastaban issue
For giggles I went and looked at who had and hadn't attacked rastaban, in various manners.
xsksc attacked rastaban heavily
slOosh flip flopped but also ended up attacking him, but it was day 1
marvellosity has been flippy floppy on rastaban like a baws.
VisceraEyes had a town read on rastaban
Probulous did not attack rastaban
Shraft attacked rastaban
Mattchewattacked rastaban
Snarfs attacked rastaban
risk nuke kinda attacked rastaban but backed off him
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On June 29 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
The only player at the moment where my read on risk/matt others at the moment doesn't matter is prplhz.
##unvote
##vote: prplhz
I this this is a good call, Snarfs you are fine with this too right? He was on your list...
##vote: prplhz
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Yea he was on Snarfs list. You should note that Snarfs latest argument for lynching me is that I don't look incredibly townie and he had heard VisceraEyes say that I did that in a game I played more than a year ago. Seriously. The argument for lynching me now is that "it doesn't conflict with my other reads", you can't tell the alignment of a player off of the actions of other people. Jesus christ.
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Oh Snarfs, I meant Shraft.
Do something about your nicks guys.
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prplhz your case is fucking shit. You didn't even bother responding to me when I pointed out that some stuff is your case is factually wrong.
@rastaban
Well, you are my #1 scum read at the moment, and you are comfortable lynching prplhz, and that makes me kind of wary...
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Shraft you can stop pretending to be town now
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But, you pointed out that it was factually wrong, or you pointed out that you were just drunk one night because of midsummer. What do you expect me to do respond to that? Do you expect me to try to prove that you weren't at midsummer or that you weren't drunk or whatever? There are still other (and much stronger points) in my case that I think are better than any other case in this game.
Now you're trying to infer my alignment through rastaban's actions. You can't do that. He could be pushing his town mate because he's wrong, he could be pushing scum because he's right, he could be pushing scum buddy for town credit, he could be pushing mislynch because he's scum. You can't do that and you're going to repeatedly fail if you insist on doing it.
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how do you justify telling the only confirmed townie to not bother thinking about his reads until tomorrow?
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On June 29 2012 00:42 Shraft wrote:
prplhz your case is fucking shit. You didn't even bother responding to me when I pointed out that some stuff is your case is factually wrong.
@rastaban
Well, you are my #1 scum read at the moment, and you are comfortable lynching prplhz, and that makes me kind of wary...
Well since I am scum I am obviously just bussing my teammate. Might as well take advantage of this since the only way town can win is by lynching scum. Then tomorrow you lynch me win-win right.
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On June 28 2012 23:01 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 22:54 Mattchew wrote:
Marv
To simplify your process I will give you a step by step of how you should approach everything.
We are in Lynch Scum or Lose. Mis-lynching town or the SK will result in a scum victory
The first and MOST IMPORTANT thing you need to do is come up with a final read on Risk.
The reason for this, is that he is pretty much the only player 100% guaranteed not to be the SK.
Personally I believe him to be town. I don't think there is any logical reason for scum to hold their RB when I believe the SK has been hunting them all game (Zeph then Xsksc were scummy targets that I doubt scum would shoot at and I believe SK shot at them to kill mafia). It would be extremely bold of them to hold their RB and increase the chances of one of them being hit by SK.
If you disagree, I feel that you must vote and lynch Risk because if you are correct, he will flip scum 100%. There is no one else you can say this for.
If you agree with my assessment that Risk is town, then you have 5 players left, 4 of which are not town. I think the first step you must take is trying to remove the remaining townie from the pool of 5. This way (and this is so weird to actually say out loud) you can start to play connect-the-scum, something that normally can demolish town. However in this scenario, it is actually the best way to try and lynch a scum team member over the SK or townie.
Any route you choose I will support, other than voting me for lynch. I also will help you think out your reads if you would like my opinions. Basically Marv, the game comes down to your reads, no one else's, if you read the situation as Risk being town then his reads also matter, but until that point, the game is on your shoulders.
This is a very levelheaded and well thought out post, which coincides on my read that you are not scum. I agree we shouldn't lynch you today. And if you really aren't scum then VE may have saved the game with his shenanigans last night. What do you feel about my post and its possible scum targets. I know we need marv on board to do anything but I would like your input.
so you believe risk is scum?
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On June 29 2012 00:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 23:01 rastaban wrote:On June 28 2012 22:54 Mattchew wrote:
Marv
To simplify your process I will give you a step by step of how you should approach everything.
We are in Lynch Scum or Lose. Mis-lynching town or the SK will result in a scum victory
The first and MOST IMPORTANT thing you need to do is come up with a final read on Risk.
The reason for this, is that he is pretty much the only player 100% guaranteed not to be the SK.
Personally I believe him to be town. I don't think there is any logical reason for scum to hold their RB when I believe the SK has been hunting them all game (Zeph then Xsksc were scummy targets that I doubt scum would shoot at and I believe SK shot at them to kill mafia). It would be extremely bold of them to hold their RB and increase the chances of one of them being hit by SK.
If you disagree, I feel that you must vote and lynch Risk because if you are correct, he will flip scum 100%. There is no one else you can say this for.
If you agree with my assessment that Risk is town, then you have 5 players left, 4 of which are not town. I think the first step you must take is trying to remove the remaining townie from the pool of 5. This way (and this is so weird to actually say out loud) you can start to play connect-the-scum, something that normally can demolish town. However in this scenario, it is actually the best way to try and lynch a scum team member over the SK or townie.
Any route you choose I will support, other than voting me for lynch. I also will help you think out your reads if you would like my opinions. Basically Marv, the game comes down to your reads, no one else's, if you read the situation as Risk being town then his reads also matter, but until that point, the game is on your shoulders.
This is a very levelheaded and well thought out post, which coincides on my read that you are not scum. I agree we shouldn't lynch you today. And if you really aren't scum then VE may have saved the game with his shenanigans last night. What do you feel about my post and its possible scum targets. I know we need marv on board to do anything but I would like your input. so you believe risk is scum?
I don't think so, I think he really was Roleblocked last night.
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On June 29 2012 00:51 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 00:48 marvellosity wrote:On June 28 2012 23:01 rastaban wrote:On June 28 2012 22:54 Mattchew wrote:
Marv
To simplify your process I will give you a step by step of how you should approach everything.
We are in Lynch Scum or Lose. Mis-lynching town or the SK will result in a scum victory
The first and MOST IMPORTANT thing you need to do is come up with a final read on Risk.
The reason for this, is that he is pretty much the only player 100% guaranteed not to be the SK.
Personally I believe him to be town. I don't think there is any logical reason for scum to hold their RB when I believe the SK has been hunting them all game (Zeph then Xsksc were scummy targets that I doubt scum would shoot at and I believe SK shot at them to kill mafia). It would be extremely bold of them to hold their RB and increase the chances of one of them being hit by SK.
If you disagree, I feel that you must vote and lynch Risk because if you are correct, he will flip scum 100%. There is no one else you can say this for.
If you agree with my assessment that Risk is town, then you have 5 players left, 4 of which are not town. I think the first step you must take is trying to remove the remaining townie from the pool of 5. This way (and this is so weird to actually say out loud) you can start to play connect-the-scum, something that normally can demolish town. However in this scenario, it is actually the best way to try and lynch a scum team member over the SK or townie.
Any route you choose I will support, other than voting me for lynch. I also will help you think out your reads if you would like my opinions. Basically Marv, the game comes down to your reads, no one else's, if you read the situation as Risk being town then his reads also matter, but until that point, the game is on your shoulders.
This is a very levelheaded and well thought out post, which coincides on my read that you are not scum. I agree we shouldn't lynch you today. And if you really aren't scum then VE may have saved the game with his shenanigans last night. What do you feel about my post and its possible scum targets. I know we need marv on board to do anything but I would like your input. so you believe risk is scum? I don't think so, I think he really was Roleblocked last night.
so there's 3 townies, me, you, risk, matt
seeing the problem yet?
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On June 29 2012 00:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 00:51 rastaban wrote:On June 29 2012 00:48 marvellosity wrote:On June 28 2012 23:01 rastaban wrote:On June 28 2012 22:54 Mattchew wrote:
Marv
To simplify your process I will give you a step by step of how you should approach everything.
We are in Lynch Scum or Lose. Mis-lynching town or the SK will result in a scum victory
The first and MOST IMPORTANT thing you need to do is come up with a final read on Risk.
The reason for this, is that he is pretty much the only player 100% guaranteed not to be the SK.
Personally I believe him to be town. I don't think there is any logical reason for scum to hold their RB when I believe the SK has been hunting them all game (Zeph then Xsksc were scummy targets that I doubt scum would shoot at and I believe SK shot at them to kill mafia). It would be extremely bold of them to hold their RB and increase the chances of one of them being hit by SK.
If you disagree, I feel that you must vote and lynch Risk because if you are correct, he will flip scum 100%. There is no one else you can say this for.
If you agree with my assessment that Risk is town, then you have 5 players left, 4 of which are not town. I think the first step you must take is trying to remove the remaining townie from the pool of 5. This way (and this is so weird to actually say out loud) you can start to play connect-the-scum, something that normally can demolish town. However in this scenario, it is actually the best way to try and lynch a scum team member over the SK or townie.
Any route you choose I will support, other than voting me for lynch. I also will help you think out your reads if you would like my opinions. Basically Marv, the game comes down to your reads, no one else's, if you read the situation as Risk being town then his reads also matter, but until that point, the game is on your shoulders.
This is a very levelheaded and well thought out post, which coincides on my read that you are not scum. I agree we shouldn't lynch you today. And if you really aren't scum then VE may have saved the game with his shenanigans last night. What do you feel about my post and its possible scum targets. I know we need marv on board to do anything but I would like your input. so you believe risk is scum? I don't think so, I think he really was Roleblocked last night. so there's 3 townies, me, you, risk, matt seeing the problem yet?
As I said earlier, I think Matt is the SK
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@marvellosity You need to get your head straight and I'm thinking that's also what you're trying to do. I'll be back later or maybe not for 24 hours. Read my Shraft case 'cause I'm pretty sure that that's the best case in the thread.
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On June 29 2012 00:46 prplhz wrote:
But, you pointed out that it was factually wrong, or you pointed out that you were just drunk one night because of midsummer. What do you expect me to do respond to that? Do you expect me to try to prove that you weren't at midsummer or that you weren't drunk or whatever? There are still other (and much stronger points) in my case that I think are better than any other case in this game.
Now you're trying to infer my alignment through rastaban's actions. You can't do that. He could be pushing his town mate because he's wrong, he could be pushing scum because he's right, he could be pushing scum buddy for town credit, he could be pushing mislynch because he's scum. You can't do that and you're going to repeatedly fail if you insist on doing it.
All right, fair point. If I can't infer your alignment from rastaban's actions, then I am fine lynching you.
If you actually bothered to read my post on you, you'd see that the part about me being sleep drunk is not the point that I'm referring to.
It's the part in italics:
On June 27 2012 07:05 Shraft wrote:@prplhz's caseIf you cared to look up EMM, you'd see the exact same pattern. I am usually quite hesitant with lynches unless I got a strong scum read, and I don't put my vote down right off the bat. I don't use my vote like VE does. I wait until I'm content to vote for someone, and then I put my vote and let it be, barring any major events. Like I said, if you actually cared to read my previous game, you'd understand that I play this way. This part of your case is also interesting: Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 04:40 prplhz wrote:
Next is the current marvellosity wagon, we talked about it for ages but he is hesitant with his vote. He only votes after Probulous makes his big case. Earlier he said that the question-answer-thing was a bit scummy but it wasn't worth lynching marvellosity over, but now he is using that very same argument for voting for marvellosity! I also think it's very telling that he is actually saying that marvellosity is scum for saying that his own behavior is town. Why would any townie ever say that his own play is scummy when it is townie by definition? Townies think that everything they do is the towniest shit ever (even when it isn't which is surprisingly often). I'd like you to point out just where I said that. What I really said was "You acted scummy by not answering Mattchew's question straight. The way I see it, you have no reason whatsoever to not answer the question as honestly and precise as you can as town.". I never even mentioned anything pertaining to lynching marvellosity in this post, and before that I hadn't even commented on him. You're also twisting my words when you say that I'm that marvellosity is scum for saying that his own behavior is town. I said that it was scummy that he somehow turned his anti-town behaviour into some proof that he was town.
This part is such an overexaggeration that it's almost scummy. Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 04:40 prplhz wrote:
He is also keen to point out how tired and drunk he is all the time, like he's trying to apologize for his play. Scum are a lot more prone to apologize for their game because, unlike townies, they're not actually trying their best and they don't see their game as inherently good! I have two posts relating to this: here and here. They are also referencing the same day (today), and since chose to not sleep the previous night and instead stay up to read and comment on Probulous case, it's certain that it's not just some bullshit excuse. The only point of your case that is actually factual, and not some kind of twisting of my words or overexaggeration to make me look scummy, is that I said it's probably too late to sway the lynch. I don't think that's very strange considering that almost all discussion today has been on marvellosity, and not one strong case has been presented on any other player. Other than marvellosity, most players seem to disagree on lynch targets. If you want to lynch me based on my hesitance on the marvellosity lynch, then go ahead, but don't come with bullshit lies in order to paint me up as scum.
I am also curious about why you don't care about my play in EMM. Can't you see that my style of voting is exactly the same?
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so you did. damn 
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On June 29 2012 00:46 marvellosity wrote:
how do you justify telling the only confirmed townie to not bother thinking about his reads until tomorrow?
It wasn't a very serious comment, you know. The serious part of it is that I want to kill rastaban.
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@rastaban
Can you explain to me why you took a bunch of null tells on risk.nuke, said they furthered scum agenda and pushed them as if they were blatant scum tells? Or do you still insist on them being actual scum tells?
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On June 29 2012 00:53 marvellosity wrote:so you did. damn
so can you stop getting ahead of yourself and complicating things?
Where do you stand on Risk? Why aren't you lynching him if you think he is scum?
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