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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On June 27 2012 02:24 marvellosity wrote: One of the problems I'm having is guaging people, because I'm not used to being lynched. With Matt. I know he has healthy respect for my scum play. I also know he has healthy respect for my town play because he was happy to sheep me on my judgement in Magic. Here he is sarcastic and dismissive towards me. I can't tell if this is because he's scum or because he really thinks I'm scum. I don't know how to differentiate with him. I actually think you are most likely SK > Scum > Town | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On June 27 2012 02:19 marvellosity wrote: I think risk nuke is town Can you elaborate on this? I don't see much towniness between where you said you were having trouble reading him to this position. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On June 27 2012 03:02 Snarfs wrote: Can you elaborate on this? I don't see much towniness between where you said you were having trouble reading him to this position. He's talking sense. His reads so far align not too far from mine. He seems to care about this lynch. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Why would I go after VE again, as scum, having deflected the attention on me day 1? How could that not end badly for me as scum? No, I went after him because he's my strongest read, it's that simple. | ||
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Shraft
Sweden701 Posts
Here's a short list that describes Snarfs' posting in EMM (where he was mafia) quite accurately:
Here are Snarfs' post game thoughts: On June 20 2012 07:14 Snarfs wrote: + Show Spoiler [Rest of his post] + GG guys. Thanks to the hosts  .First scum game and I was not kidding when I said it was way more stressful for me than town T_T. I kept looking back at things I was saying and kicking myself for saying them. Wish I could have done better, but I already feel like this experience will help my future scum play... that's kinda why I just wanted the game to end, time to move on and do better in the next one! Artanis, you were way too damn towny. Stop that! But I don't know why you guys convinced yourselves I wasn't scum based on my meta. I'd never played scum before... there was no meta to compare  .Ghost properly calling out the fact that I'd asked people for previous games but never referenced them was one of those "Oh fuck" moments for me. Fortunately, noone else brought that up again... Hyaach, sorry for pushing your lynch when you'd done nothing scummy. I actually felt really bad T_T. I'm not cut out for scum life haha. Honestly, I spent way more time on this game than my posting reflects. Many times I'd spend a couple hours reading the thread and writing out a post, only to delete it and turn my laptop off because I didn't want to stick my head out. Rookie scum mistakes like that will be improved upon for next time and are my biggest takeaway. Anyways, fun game nonetheless. Thanks again wbg, HiroPro and ET. I compared Snarfs' play in EMM (where he was scum) to his play in WoF MM (where he was a vigilante), and I found some differences:
I think that it's too early to guess his alignment based on meta in this game, but his play looks more like his town meta to me. The way he presents his case on Zephirdd doesn't seem like his conservative scum play in EMM. However, it could just be him adapting his scum play according to his post game thoughts in EMM, which makes me quite uncertain. Conclusion: Snarfs is still a null tell to me. I spent one hour researching his meta, but it didn't make me any more certain on his alignment. ._. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
Like, when you said this: On June 26 2012 22:44 marvellosity wrote: I'm fairly sure I know what risk's explanation is, but I want to hear it from him. xsksc, can you work out what it might be? What were you expecting? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
I do think xscsc has a decent chance of flipping scum. Because of the point risk also raised (which i did too earlier). prplhz/risk's 'defence' of me seemed game specific and thought through. Whereas xskcs's seemed like it came through benefit of knowledge of my alignment (xkscs, if you're actually town, sorry for shitting on you when you were the only one defending me for so long :/) | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Re: probulous. I know you didn't believe me earlier, but I really did struggle like fuck with his filter here/c9++/LV. I couldn't find a read either way. He seemed more aggressive as scum in c9++ than he does here, which is what put me off. I think he might genuinely think I'm scum because he doesn't understand underlying emotions and shit in mafia and he's a bit naive sometimes. Like, he checked Wiggles in LV, which was just the worst check possible because he was either gonna come up green or green. Basically he talks a good talk but I can't tell if his shortcomings are from deficits in his townplay or because he's purposefully adopting a style in this game to cover them. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Also Radfield and I, at the start of Redux, talked about WoF and his case on you. He told me that it wasn't so much his case that made him truly believe you were scum, but your response to it. It's funny because in WoF you originally made a joke to Radfield about it (basically your whole case is just a gut read) and then you backed down from it and said (paraphrasing) "lol only joking I'll answer your case properly later". The similarities are striking. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
You also need to shoot tonight marvellosity but we can talk about that later. I want to lynch Shraft because of how hesitant he has been doing anything this game, how he seems more occupied with getting his vote down than with actually doing something with the lynch, and partially because of some other things. His first vote on rastaban came after he made a case on rastaban's first post but he hesitates to vote him. Then next he says that rastaban's case on risk.nuke was scummy but he doesn't vote him. Then a few hours later he votes rastaban just because of these two things, cautious first post and risk.nuke case. This wasn't just a few hours later, this was after three other people had placed their vote on rastaban already. Next is the current marvellosity wagon, we talked about it for ages but he is hesitant with his vote. He only votes after Probulous makes his big case. Earlier he said that the question-answer-thing was a bit scummy but it wasn't worth lynching marvellosity over, but now he is using that very same argument for voting for marvellosity! I also think it's very telling that he is actually saying that marvellosity is scum for saying that his own behavior is town. Why would any townie ever say that his own play is scummy when it is townie by definition? Townies think that everything they do is the towniest shit ever (even when it isn't which is surprisingly often). The most telling about how he is acting during these lynches is how little he cares about the lynch itself compared to his vote. After he votes rastaban, he does not mention rastaban again in the thread at all! He doesn't push his lynch even though he's been suspicious of him all game long. It looks like he is happy he just got his vote down and now he doesn't really care who gets lynched. The same thing with the marvellosity lynch: more than 10 hours before deadline he actually says "It's probably too late to sway the lynch". That sounds like he thinks that marvellosity is town but 10 hours before the lynch he doesn't really want to do anything about it. Instead he makes a big post on Snarfs concluding that he is null. He is also keen to point out how tired and drunk he is all the time, like he's trying to apologize for his play. Scum are a lot more prone to apologize for their game because, unlike townies, they're not actually trying their best and they don't see their game as inherently good! And this is in spite of how no one is actually attacking him, which is my next point. Shraft is one of the very few guys who has not been attacked the whole game, he's actually hardly been mentioned. His filter is small, he has a small town presence, and there's plenty of scummy stuff in there. Why didn't scum jump him already? This is of course supplementary because I'm not going to blame him for other people's actions but I think it's well worth noting. ##Vote: Shraft | ||
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