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On June 26 2012 15:39 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 22:27 JieXian wrote:This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. shit I just noticed that this wasn't what i thought it was. This actually means that we have 2 days to vote right? Release's game plan seems to be: 1) Create escape route. (just in case he got mafia)
So night. I will be less active in the following days (until night 3) for aforementioned reasons.
2) Create chaos
3) Claim it leads to more productive posting
4) Hide with aforementioned excuseOn June 25 2012 21:49 Vivax wrote:On June 25 2012 20:23 Esspen wrote:
But I believe we should try to identify and lynch blues first, confusing mafia and leaving them vulnerable...
Wat  You crazy? Vivax and I found that confusing = We must be mafia lolololol If you're still stuck one this, i don't know what to say... "They may be lynching lurkers" I never said. I said go for scum. I even said lynchscum>lynchliars>lynchnottruth. I said that lurkers will always take a position lower than scum on priority list. Words in my mouth. Yeah, i caused commotion. We weren't exactly making a lot of progress. I think commotion>banter because at least we get some honest opinions in there. Maybe even a scumslip if someone gets too emotional... Night
No, As I mentioned several times before... I'm not voting for you based on that.
About your second paragraph I have no idea what you're talking about. I think we're on the same page with lynching policies. I was actually disagreeing with Keraithi (and now hopeless) since he said lynch lurkers and I even quoted him.
3rd point fits my arguement of a smart mafia. I think it doesn't look good for you whether you're smart or stupid hahaha now that I think about it.
Good night to you. I just woke up a few hours ago hoho
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On June 27 2012 08:40 Vivax wrote:
EBWOP: I have yet to see one guy who didn't say that we should lynch lurkers in absence of clear scumtells.
No, at least Release and I both want to lynch scummy behavior
BioSC, I have to get my sleep before I go to work. As I said earlier, the deadline is 8am for me and I tried requesting for a change to 10pm edt but I didn't get it.
GG hopeless. TBH if the timing was better on my side I'd have voted for you anyways based on what I've said earlier. You seemed really weird for a townie trying to contribute. Bio didn't look like an angel either but I never liked what you did with Release.
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This time due to the level of inactivity I really feel like lynching some lurkers but I don't know how the replacement system is done
On June 27 2012 11:55 Release wrote:
I think the activity level in this game is quite shit.
On June 27 2012 15:21 Release wrote:
There's been extremely low activity since death post. Considering i am putting like 1 hour a day into this game while having a longer filter than most, this is quite shit.
However just like before, Release can be seen doing his thing.
Just like before, I want to push Release
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Doing his thing by not contributing anything.
For example, you obviously are contributing. Get it right?
Actually I'm spoilt for choices between Release, Esspen (plus hopeless earlier) and lurkers, just like I said earlier. What's keeping me from voting lurkers is my game plan of scummy behavior > lurkers.
I chose Release because he's the most chaotic/irritating + confusing + noisy as you can see, but I'm not leaning too hard on him. As I said if I were around I'd have changed my vote.
On June 27 2012 17:14 BassInSpace wrote:Jiexian, miltonkram will be replacing one of aegonc or keirathi, who did not vote at all, if that's what you're unsure about. What exactly is holding you back from voting from the remaining lurkers (you do say you really feel like lynching lurkers) and sticking to release? What do you mean by release "doing his thing". He's right, activity isn't good in this game at all, with 2 players being modkilled/replaced already, and a bunch of others posting very little. I didn't like your original case against release; I think it's gotten even worse now. Esspen: Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 08:14 Esspen wrote:On June 27 2012 08:07 BioSC wrote:
EBWOP: That goes for Esspen as well. There is NO excuse. There are plenty of cases to choose from. How people are missing Hopeless' scumminess is beyond me, but do NOT waste votes like that. You are too easy targets for scum to manipulate your votes like that. There are cases, but those cases are not going to be lynched anyway as now it's either Hopeless or Rofl. I unfortunately cannot vote for Hopeless as only thing he's done is gone maybe too far with attacking you, otherwise I completely agree with him. What was that? I gave you the benefit of doubt at first, but I'm gonna be looking at you very closely again.
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Release, wouldn't the solution be to post some reads, like Bassinspace for example? His reads weren't gamebreaking but it got the game moving right?
On June 27 2012 19:25 Vivax wrote:
Esspen voted for hopeless when rofl was set to lynch, as already mentioned.
If one of them is scum, the other most likely is, too. With the current information available, I would go for one of them.
Also remember that posting cases during the night can make you a target for scum.
Speaking of it, I think I'm the designed nightkill simply cause noone suspected me yet. Townies who are believed to be townies are dangerous for scum, and I didn't see any blue role vibes for them to use yet, so they don't have many alternatives.
If only I could Pm you.. why are you asking to be killed
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On June 27 2012 23:47 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 19:25 Vivax wrote:
Esspen voted for hopeless when rofl was set to lynch, as already mentioned.
If one of them is scum, the other most likely is, too. With the current information available, I would go for one of them.
Also remember that posting cases during the night can make you a target for scum.
Speaking of it, I think I'm the designed nightkill simply cause noone suspected me yet. Townies who are believed to be townies are dangerous for scum, and I didn't see any blue role vibes for them to use yet, so they don't have many alternatives. So myself, rofles, and bio? (for clarification) I think the self-pity attitude is silly. Strong cases make you the target for scum. gtg.
No. It was between roffles and Hopeless. You weren't on the chopping block at all.
If roffles was scum and Esspen saved him at the last moment -> Esspen = scum. Simple right?
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Right now Esspen is both scummy and lurking.
Vivax is being confusing
Bio stops lurking but his D1 behavior is weird
NrGmonk has the BOTD for being busy as TLStaff
JingleHell had the BOTD from me since roflwaffle was replaced for being busy
Keraithi is next on my list after Esspen for lurking, unless he's replaced and I have to give him the BOTD
Esspen looks like a good lynch imo - fits both criterias for it.
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On June 29 2012 00:19 BassInSpace wrote:
You can't speculate on night kills like this. I could just as easily say mafia killed the people who WERE suspecting them openly because they figure people would never think they'd do something that obvious.
Actually his confidence about his nightkill speculation might be linked to saving BioSC - if BioSC stands for BioSCUM hahaha
On June 27 2012 10:45 Release wrote (in reply to biosc):
That's plausible, and honestly, i can't disagree with Hope's wishy-washy play.
But i am keeping my eye on you.
With that said FOS BioSC
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I was hunting Release for his style and you seem to be following his footsteps, FOSing to create commotion (keiraithi wth >_>), which we sadly didn't bite. That in addition to your weird night post which looks too bloody pretentious to me.
"I'll most probably be killed"
"Also remember that posting cases during the night can make you a target for scum."
And this huge wall of text on D1 screaming HI IM TOWNIE while not saying much and sounding like a coach lol
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2012 21:47 Vivax wrote:Been trying to read through all the discussion so far. Release sticks to his general style with a few slight deviations, but back to the topic: It's about lynch all liars atm. I'll give you my opinion on this policy from my experience as scum the previous game. Mafia doesn't have to lie without very specific reasons like claims. You will be able to find contradictions and mistakes in townie play aswell, I found plenty of them and used them to make cases against townies. But when a weird townie guy claimed DT for no reason and claimed one of ours to be scum, mafia had to counterclaim and openly lie, which bit our team in the arse within a few hours. - lynch all liars shouldn't be adopted as a general policy, but needs the right situation to be applied correctly. If someone lies in a way that it's not a mistake but a consciously made up lie, then that one has to be lynched unless it proves to have been in the towns' interest (beware bussing tho).
- lynch all lurkers is important. Mafia doesn't have to post if there's no pressure. Most of the time it will be scumtells which lead to a lynch. But it has to be clear that people with low activity will switch into town's focus in absence of good cases, and this pressure is what town needs to gain information equally from everybody.
- Most games it becomes very clear that at the beginning of a game, town's attention first hits the people who post a lot.
I think that is a mistake. In order for the lynch all lurkers policy to work, attention has to hit especially people who didn't post a lot in order for them to post more and exercise pressure.
- Common knowledge seems to say that mafia profits from policy discussion. Very situational imo. Policies should be set day 1, and town should have a consensus.Then it depends on the way they are discussed: Everyone should first have an opinion about policies before posting something concerning them, and they should then post their approval/disapproval of the policy based on facts.
This way, policy discussion can be kept to a minimum of amount and a maximum of transparency. Policy discussion shouldn't be avoided since else it can come back after day 1.
What we don't want of policy talk is: People starting to discuss whether it's good or bad in a way that you end up having one page of policy discussion.What we want is: People saying yes/no to certain policies AND BEING SURE OF THEMSELVES, then giving reasons for their attitude. And then we want others not starting to pick on the points the people wrote, but posting their own!That way town will have a quick overview of general consensus about policies, have them out of the way for the following days, and can start scumhunting for real without wasting further time on policy talk. We have to restrict scum's options regarding policies, cases, activity. They have to take responsibility for what they write. What we don't want is: People who start writing cases on others who already are in the center of attention. This is a great opportunity for scum to blend in. This is where bussing happens when the real scum can't escape that center of attention. To find mafiavibes, try to look at posts from a point of view where you have almost all the information. tl;dr: Pro lynch all lurkers, against lynch all liars, not gonna throw around FoS like crazy at the start of the game, townies react to that with quick OMGUS, since they know of their own alignment and feel threatened unjustly (mafia can act the same if they are experienced I guess). Try to post cases on people who aren't in trouble aswell. Don't give mafia that chance to blend in.
the bolded text is so funny considering that your post took up a page hahahaha
Yet you're still alive, what a surprise
On June 29 2012 00:39 Vivax wrote:
Well well, I want to hear other opinions regarding me before I post my defense. I don't feel threatened by a lynch as of now, and there are still too many lurkers.
I posted something in the other thread
##Vote Vivax
Feel threathened now?
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I'm giving Esspen the minor BOTD atm for "lurking" at night since I myself was wondering why wasn't the thread closed
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Sorry but can you not read >_>
On June 28 2012 14:53 JieXian wrote:
Right now Esspen is both scummy and lurking.
Vivax is being confusing
Bio stops lurking but his D1 behavior is weird
NrGmonk has the BOTD for being busy as TLStaff
JingleHell had the BOTD from me since roflwaffle was replaced for being busy
Keraithi is next on my list after Esspen for lurking, unless he's replaced and I have to give him the BOTD
Esspen looks like a good lynch imo - fits both criterias for it.
Esspen explained his lurking. Which, leaves scumminess -- and you are 10x more scummy than him. Esspen just looks like he's a real newbie ATM (14 posts >_>) (( or a genius acting like and idiot )), though I cannot be sure of than and he still has my FOS.
If you read my earlier posts on D1 I have FOSes on a few people but chose Release in the end.
Same thing happening again here, since I'm getting the exact same vibes from you.
I'm consistent with my behavior:
On June 25 2012 21:47 Vivax wrote:
What we want is: People saying yes/no to certain policies AND BEING SURE OF THEMSELVES, then giving reasons for their attitude.
Are you?
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On June 29 2012 01:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 00:25 JieXian wrote:On June 27 2012 23:47 Release wrote:On June 27 2012 19:25 Vivax wrote:
Esspen voted for hopeless when rofl was set to lynch, as already mentioned.
If one of them is scum, the other most likely is, too. With the current information available, I would go for one of them.
Also remember that posting cases during the night can make you a target for scum.
Speaking of it, I think I'm the designed nightkill simply cause noone suspected me yet. Townies who are believed to be townies are dangerous for scum, and I didn't see any blue role vibes for them to use yet, so they don't have many alternatives. So myself, rofles, and bio? (for clarification) I think the self-pity attitude is silly. Strong cases make you the target for scum. gtg. No. It was between roffles and Hopeless. You weren't on the chopping block at all. If roffles was scum and Esspen saved him at the last moment -> Esspen = scum. Simple right? JieXian, you posted this earlier. Don't you support the gain of information from a lynch of either Esspen or the roflewaffle55 replacement?
No man........ I was mere clarifying to him his logic............ dude which part of that post implies anything like that?
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Sorry for glossing over that post beacuse I was busy preparing my case on you.
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With that said, it's 12:50am and I got to sleep
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On June 29 2012 03:21 Esspen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 02:45 BioSC wrote:
Now that you are here, and have posted your reads, which of me or Vivax is the bigger scum read atm?
Both, I'm certain for you 98% and Vivax 102% (ok that means Vivax). And this defence of eachother just makes me think you are both scums. In case Vivax (i know i said i believe both BioSC and Vivax are scums, but more people seem to dislike Vivax) won't seem to get lynched this day I have two propositions: 1: you lynch me and if I turn out to be townie, you lynch Vivax 2: you lynch Vivax and if he turns out to be townie, you lynch me
WTF? You start the post attacking and linking Bio and Vivax together and end by putting the 2 people who are most likely to be lynched on the line? To gain what?
You don't make any sense Esspen....................................
For now you're next on my list after Vivax.
On June 29 2012 10:00 Miltonkram wrote:Let's take a look at what dNa just said: Show nested quote +---snip
The reason why i vote for Esspen and not for JingleHell is that, Esspen's posts overall are just confusing, not really helpful, and even if all my suspicions on them were wrong and they really would be townies, he seems the better guy to lose of them. Not good reasoning. We're here to lynch scum, not confusing/suboptimal players. dNa's reasoning reeks of scumminess. I think we just found our last scum guys. My plan is we lynch Vivax today, BioSC tomorrow, and dNa the next, though I really don't care about the order. Any takers?Another scummy point for Vivax: - He's been pretty content to sit back and just pressure lurkers. This is another deviation from his town play in NMM XV. I'd imagine a town Vivax would put a bit more effort into cases against active players. Pushing for a lurker lynch is a really non-confrontational move. Tralalala, obvious scum is obvious. Since Esspen has come under heavy fire, here's a town point in his favor. Show nested quote +In case Vivax (i know i said i believe both BioSC and Vivax are scums, but more people seem to dislike Vivax) won't seem to get lynched this day I have two propositions:
1: you lynch me and if I turn out to be townie, you lynch Vivax
2: you lynch Vivax and if he turns out to be townie, you lynch me He's either making a ballsy scum move, or this is extremely pro-town. Offering to take the lynch in order to confirm that your reads are made in good faith isn't a move most scum would think of IMO. If the assumptions I've made on our scumteam are wrong, then I'll rethink taking Esspen up on his offer. I've got to take a rather long trip, my case on BioSC will have to wait for a little while. I'm feeling pretty good about this game 
I'm giving you the BOTD for now in abscence of much evidence but HOLY SHIT that really sounds like a scumslip: How the hell can you be so dead sure of yourself?
That defense of Esspen isn't a defense at all imo, everyone knows both of them are on the chopping block either way. However if Esspen is scum you won't be feeling good about yourself. So I'm not linking both of you together as scum. Rather I see it as a pretentious defense of Esspen for townie cred since he's probably going to die anyways and you would know that he's townie.
If both Vivax and Esspen flip townie I'm going to hunt for Milton. (Unless of course either Bio or Dna flip scum)
ok I'm quite worried about dying now so IF I GET SHOT TONIGHT FUCKIGN HUNT MILTON DOWN
If I'm wrong and I know it's a long shot with a lot of ifs, Milton sorry for being crazy. If either 3 of them from your list flip scum you're gonna get some townie cred from me.
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On June 29 2012 22:54 BassInSpace wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2012 16:15 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 03:21 Esspen wrote:On June 29 2012 02:45 BioSC wrote:
Now that you are here, and have posted your reads, which of me or Vivax is the bigger scum read atm?
Both, I'm certain for you 98% and Vivax 102% (ok that means Vivax). And this defence of eachother just makes me think you are both scums. In case Vivax (i know i said i believe both BioSC and Vivax are scums, but more people seem to dislike Vivax) won't seem to get lynched this day I have two propositions: 1: you lynch me and if I turn out to be townie, you lynch Vivax 2: you lynch Vivax and if he turns out to be townie, you lynch me WTF? You start the post attacking and linking Bio and Vivax together and end by putting the 2 people who are most likely to be lynched on the line? To gain what? You don't make any sense Esspen.................................... For now you're next on my list after Vivax. Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 10:00 Miltonkram wrote:Let's take a look at what dNa just said: ---snip
The reason why i vote for Esspen and not for JingleHell is that, Esspen's posts overall are just confusing, not really helpful, and even if all my suspicions on them were wrong and they really would be townies, he seems the better guy to lose of them. Not good reasoning. We're here to lynch scum, not confusing/suboptimal players. dNa's reasoning reeks of scumminess. I think we just found our last scum guys. My plan is we lynch Vivax today, BioSC tomorrow, and dNa the next, though I really don't care about the order. Any takers?Another scummy point for Vivax: - He's been pretty content to sit back and just pressure lurkers. This is another deviation from his town play in NMM XV. I'd imagine a town Vivax would put a bit more effort into cases against active players. Pushing for a lurker lynch is a really non-confrontational move. Tralalala, obvious scum is obvious. Since Esspen has come under heavy fire, here's a town point in his favor. In case Vivax (i know i said i believe both BioSC and Vivax are scums, but more people seem to dislike Vivax) won't seem to get lynched this day I have two propositions:
1: you lynch me and if I turn out to be townie, you lynch Vivax
2: you lynch Vivax and if he turns out to be townie, you lynch me He's either making a ballsy scum move, or this is extremely pro-town. Offering to take the lynch in order to confirm that your reads are made in good faith isn't a move most scum would think of IMO. If the assumptions I've made on our scumteam are wrong, then I'll rethink taking Esspen up on his offer. I've got to take a rather long trip, my case on BioSC will have to wait for a little while. I'm feeling pretty good about this game I'm giving you the BOTD for now in abscence of much evidence but HOLY SHIT that really sounds like a scumslip: How the hell can you be so dead sure of yourself?
That defense of Esspen isn't a defense at all imo, everyone knows both of them are on the chopping block either way. However if Esspen is scum you won't be feeling good about yourself. So I'm not linking both of you together as scum. Rather I see it as a pretentious defense of Esspen for townie cred since he's probably going to die anyways and you would know that he's townie.If both Vivax and Esspen flip townie I'm going to hunt for Milton. (Unless of course either Bio or Dna flip scum) ok I'm quite worried about dying now so IF I GET SHOT TONIGHT FUCKIGN HUNT MILTON DOWN If I'm wrong and I know it's a long shot with a lot of ifs, Milton sorry for being crazy. If either 3 of them from your list flip scum you're gonna get some townie cred from me. This is another take regarding esspen that I had considered earlier. That nagging feeling that in fact esspen is town and we're all being played by mafia. However, JieXian, I disagree with you holding Miltonkram's confidence against him. Him saying that he feels "pretty good about the game" is a rather trivial remark. I think we both agree that his soft defense of esspen may warrant further discussion though, but that is for another day I think.
Ok I trust your decision since you were correct about Release. It's still nothing but a BOTD or a light FOS for now since Milton's new and we'll have to wait for more tells if they come.
On June 29 2012 22:56 Vivax wrote:Well, read the secret then, I don't even have to play with unrevealed cards cause I am going to die anyway: + Show Spoiler +Now decide if you would rather take the risk of lynching me or the guy who initiated all this bandwagon on me. It's sad however that noone suspected him besides me.
It's sad that it's really hard for me to give you the BOTD to avoid another mislynch. Please post clear arguements that we can understand and not bloody hints like it's a treasure hunt.
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On June 29 2012 23:11 BassInSpace wrote:
Damn it, I suspected you were the DT. Your playstyle kind of reminded me of my own when I played DT in my first game, but I couldn't be sure. Because of this, I'm willing to take the chance and take you on your word that you are in fact the DT. I'm not too sure about your decision to roleclaim, since I don't think your lynch is set in stone and you could've breadcrumbed as insurance, but I understand it's hard given that 2 of the votes on you were in different time zones and may not have been changed.
## Vote JingleHell
I won't call that a breadcrumb. Going to look into the Jinglehell claim.
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On June 29 2012 23:19 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 23:11 BassInSpace wrote:
Damn it, I suspected you were the DT. Your playstyle kind of reminded me of my own when I played DT in my first game, but I couldn't be sure. Because of this, I'm willing to take the chance and take you on your word that you are in fact the DT. I'm not too sure about your decision to roleclaim, since I don't think your lynch is set in stone and you could've breadcrumbed as insurance, but I understand it's hard given that 2 of the votes on you were in different time zones and may not have been changed.
## Vote JingleHell
I won't call that a breadcrumb. Going to look into the Jinglehell claim.
ok my mistake. In that case I don't understand you or your logic.
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nevermind got it now. Referring to us right?
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On June 29 2012 23:28 BassInSpace wrote:
I don't know what you don't understand, but let me take a stab at guessing. I'm saying it might have been preferable for him to breadcrumb INSTEAD of straight out roleclaiming, on the chance that he doesn't get lynched, so that our DT stays hidden.
ok got it now.
Bass you have to read the latest posts and reconsider your position... I have confirmed mine.
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