Not mentioned in the above timeline is Acrofales. Here's the short form of Acro during D2.
23:43 - Votes Katina - + Show Spoiler +On July 03 2012 23:42 Acrofales wrote:Hrmmm, I disagree. I don't know when she started making decent sensible cases and pushing her reads in Jubjub, but she has not done that yet here. I guess the frivolous nonsense is more like jubjub than like MTG, but I don't get the feeling she's putting effort into scumhunting this game (see her D1 reason, and later defense of her BKE vote), whereas she was clearly doing that in jubjub. ##vote katina
***For the next 6 hours or so, Acro has two targets: Katina and Vivax. He was on Vivax a lot D1 and overnight, and just kept bringing those two up. + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 03:01 Acrofales wrote:
I think the lynch should be between Vivax and Katina.
On July 04 2012 03:07 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and just in case it's not clear from my vote, I currently favour Katina over Vivax.
6:01 - 6:03 - Acro swaps from Katina to Twelve - + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 06:01 Acrofales wrote:Okay. I've read Twelve's filter and some of the points brought up about him. I now have a top 3 people I want to lynch. Twelve has some stuff that reads like scum. Compilation of the cases: Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:Mattchew's People that need to die and why list2. TwelveBlatant contradiction in his first posts. Says he is all for Band wagon hatred, then jumps on the 2 bandwagons forming at that time (Kurumi and BKexe) + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 10:45 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 14:17 Sinensis wrote:On June 23 2012 13:19 grush57 wrote:
If you're too lazy to post about policy lynching me, then you would be too lazy to do anything else so goodbye, you would be useless to town anyways. You try explaining to 30 people why they should hate someone they don't know yet. I'm all for band wagon hatred! explain away On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote:
My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. Follow this with his next 2 posts, the first with quite possibly the worst reasoning for a vote ever (read completely forced reasoning to try and continue a bandwagon), and then a post trying to be cutesy and buddying with the thread saying "don't take it personally" yuck. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? On July 01 2012 17:12 Twelve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 16:07 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed? Not sure that ninja voting is against the rules, but just so we can stay friends: ##vote: BKXI made my case against you, not really trying to hide anything. The current "bandwagon" against you is merely logical, nothing personal ^^
I don't know why Mattchew is making connection cases based on not-yet-flipped people, but of the two I think Twelve is more likely to flip scum and I think this case sums up his D1 behaviour. Twelve's defense consists mainly of "it was a joke" and some discussion about what a bandwagon is, which seemed okay when I hadn't read his filter and only saw the case in a list of scum. Now I'm no longer convinced. + Show Spoiler [Twelve's defense] +On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote:@Mattchew haha where to start... My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much. I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light  (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D) As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar. Bugs suggested this about his apeshit behaviour at night: Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 07:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 03 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
NoSmurfHere - here's a clue. You're not established. even if I'm not established he'd just call me scum. To call me godfather is stretching unnecessarily. It could only mean he already knows my alignment. I don't really see a reason why a townie would call someone godfather. Scum pushing a townie, or scum distancing himself from an actual godfather are both better explanations. I seem to remember there being another case against Twelve which was the one that actually made him blip on my scumdar, but I cannot find it. Anyway, yeah. I'm still not completely sure about Vivax, Katina has gone awol again. Lets kill Twelve. ##unvote
##vote Twelve
***Acro stays on Twelve for a while. Continues referencing Katina/Vivax in posts. Between wanting to lynch Vivax or Katina and now, he's somehow unsure on Vivax - + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 21:33 Acrofales wrote:
Twelve: scum. I have my vote on him. I suggest you do the same.
ShiaoPi: uncomfortable lynching him for reasons stated above.
Katina:
grouped with ET for highest probable veteran to be scum. I actually think her case on Mandalor has merit. But her best read is on a lurker, which is kind of a cop-out for a veteran. She was under pressure, came in and made a complete throwaway case on casualman, is not pushing the case and has probably gone off to lalaland again. If someone with a better metaread can point me in the right direction I will sheep.
So far Mattchew and VE have town reads and Bugs and ghost have a scum read from meta. I was leaning scum based on the meta. Mattchew shot that down without explaining. Still waiting to hear why Katina is playing to her town meta from people with more playtime with her (particularly from Mattchew) before deciding on her. It seems clear that we're not going to get anything useful out of her today.
Vivax: still unsure on what the hell he is. Uncomfortable with lynching him at the moment
3:02 - Reinforcement of his position on Twelve, after some back and forth with Vivax. Notes that he has been getting a scummier feeling on ET because of lack of defense/lack of scumhunting - + Show Spoiler +On July 05 2012 03:02 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:53 Vivax wrote:You can skip the whole thing if it mindfucks you. I'll break it down to my intentions based on that reasoning:
##Vote for peopleOn July 05 2012 01:45 Vivax wrote:
(like twelve, katina, ET, grush) I downright disagree on your policy, but the list you come up with corresponds to mine. I don't like a grush lynch, but it's mainly meta (he's playing the same as in space station where I blew him up and he flipped town). Other people have referenced LV and I agree that there he played far more actively. No clue how to read him and it seems like a coinflip. I have him with kurumi, casualman, majuju and adam: I'd bet my life that there's scum in that list, but fucked if I know how many or which ones. If there's still a vig with bullets he should be shooting into this list, though. DT should also be checking these, because I have given up trying to get a read from their posts. I actually find your whole logic on the policy completely topsy turvy and it also doesn't agree with your conclusions. Twelve, Katina and ET all have filters that are readable. They can be analyzed. We can analyze the cases made against them too. That gives us information to work with to unravel the rest of the team. Eventually we'll have to deal with the lurker team, but with, hopefully, some aid from vigis and DTs we won't have to lynch all six of them (we don't have time anyway). Now onto scumhunting: ET and Katina are the only two who have changed since last we chatted. Katina is here and posting. She seems unconcerned about getting lynched, which is more townie than scum. Then again, I was just told in SSB that reactions are the easiest thing to fake for scum. Still on the fence. ET has steadily been rising. The more I read his filter the more I see reasons for scum to post the way he does and the less it appears to be townie. His utter lack of defense against the cases raised against him, and his failure to do any scumhunting today despite the promise are making him look scummier every time I look at it. But Twelve is a better lynch, imho. There are just too many contradictions and coincidences in his filter. #ITEM No. 1Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 15:15 Twelve wrote:
I'm still thinking on this. I think casualman probably still our most likely scum lynch. I'll get back to you tomorrow morning on the info lynch. I'm not feeling the casualman lynch as a scum lynch. I hate associative cases before we flip someone, but with Katina and Twelve both pushing casualman it just feels like the easy townie that is being thrown in front of the truck by the scumteam. I also don't buy his "most likely scum lynch": it's a coinflip. No. The most likely scumflip is Twelve. #ITEM No. 2Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 10:13 Twelve wrote:@Acrofales + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 06:01 Acrofales wrote:Okay. I've read Twelve's filter and some of the points brought up about him. I now have a top 3 people I want to lynch. Twelve has some stuff that reads like scum. Compilation of the cases: Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:Mattchew's People that need to die and why list2. TwelveBlatant contradiction in his first posts. Says he is all for Band wagon hatred, then jumps on the 2 bandwagons forming at that time (Kurumi and BKexe) + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 10:45 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 14:17 Sinensis wrote:On June 23 2012 13:19 grush57 wrote:
If you're too lazy to post about policy lynching me, then you would be too lazy to do anything else so goodbye, you would be useless to town anyways. You try explaining to 30 people why they should hate someone they don't know yet. I'm all for band wagon hatred! explain away On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote:
My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. Follow this with his next 2 posts, the first with quite possibly the worst reasoning for a vote ever (read completely forced reasoning to try and continue a bandwagon), and then a post trying to be cutesy and buddying with the thread saying "don't take it personally" yuck. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? On July 01 2012 17:12 Twelve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 16:07 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed? Not sure that ninja voting is against the rules, but just so we can stay friends: ##vote: BKXI made my case against you, not really trying to hide anything. The current "bandwagon" against you is merely logical, nothing personal ^^
I don't know why Mattchew is making connection cases based on not-yet-flipped people, but of the two I think Twelve is more likely to flip scum and I think this case sums up his D1 behaviour. Twelve's defense consists mainly of "it was a joke" and some discussion about what a bandwagon is, which seemed okay when I hadn't read his filter and only saw the case in a list of scum. Now I'm no longer convinced. + Show Spoiler [Twelve's defense] +On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote:@Mattchew haha where to start... My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much. I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D) As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar. Bugs suggested this about his apeshit behaviour at night: Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 07:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 03 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
NoSmurfHere - here's a clue. You're not established. even if I'm not established he'd just call me scum. To call me godfather is stretching unnecessarily. It could only mean he already knows my alignment. I don't really see a reason why a townie would call someone godfather. Scum pushing a townie, or scum distancing himself from an actual godfather are both better explanations. I seem to remember there being another case against Twelve which was the one that actually made him blip on my scumdar, but I cannot find it. Anyway, yeah. I'm still not completely sure about Vivax, Katina has gone awol again. Lets kill Twelve. ##unvote
##vote Twelve I am curious why you are quoting Mattchew to make your case against me. Mattchew never had a case against me, it never had any traction, He misread a post from before the game ever started and tried to point out my "contradictions". Ridiculousness. The reason I said what I said about NoSmurfHere was because I wanted to get my notes out to a detective in case I died. Maybe indicative of newbieness, but I didn't want to die and not be able to say anything else. Finally, would you mind revisiting your scumdar and finding an actual case against me? I'll gladly answer any further questions. I had quoted Mattchew's case mainly for its second point, which was the HORRID reasoning around his BKE vote. The first point seemed adequately explained by s0lstice as Mattchew failing reading comprehension, but the reasoning around Twelve's vote was terrible and Mattchew called him out on it. However, that doesn't really matter. The problem is with the bolded part in the reply. This reads to me like a scum who had dodged a bullet. Unfortunately for Twelve, Mafia doesn't work like that and now Mattchew's read is gaining traction. He panicked and tried to wave it off. Yes, the first part of the case was crap, but the second point was valid, and still is. Dismissing half the post as bullshit doesn't make the other half bullshit too. ITEM No. 3His night behaviour. How the hell do you go from "he's scum" to "he's the godfather" without some kind of prior knowledge. I don't get it and no matter how many times Twelve tells me it was a "noobie mistake" I still won't get it. In closing, Twelve is scum and should die for his sins. ##vote Twelvefor reinforcement, my vote is already in the right spot
4:30 - 6:00 - Interaction between Vivax and Acro
On July 05 2012 04:38 Acrofales wrote:Tell me why and I might. On July 05 2012 04:39 Acrofales wrote:
Actually no. I already thought about it. I feel good on Twelve. On July 05 2012 04:39 Acrofales wrote:
But tell me why anyway. I want to hear more of your reasoning. On July 05 2012 04:43 Vivax wrote:
Cause Twelve suspected Bugs, who wasn't under pressure at the time, and rastaban. The guy who got killed by mafia.
I wouldn't understand the actions from a scum point of view.
There's a lot of talk about ET already. Take the way he tries to influence bandwagons without reads. On July 05 2012 04:45 Vivax wrote:
It's a pretty small piece of evidence in a filter that mostly paints a bad light on him. I'd still vote for him if I didn't see it. On July 05 2012 05:19 Acrofales wrote:
I have to say that I missed that bit from Twelve. Let me take another look, it could be a mistake, but you're right, there's something wonky there. In fact, it's the same reason why I started to think you weren't scum after all, lol.
I have to say that twelve's posts are harder to make sense of. It's not so much a case as a conspiracy theory. I'll have to think about it. On July 05 2012 05:50 Acrofales wrote:Okay. Gone over the whole passage and it's a giant contradiction. I can't make sense of this. Just gonna post it in case someone else can make sense of the screwball logic that is happening here: First relevant post, when Twelve goes all paranoid theory: + Show Spoiler +On July 03 2012 06:43 Twelve wrote:I'm hesitant to post this,but I have a feeling I may be killed tonight, and a REALLY strong feeling NoSmurfHere WILL NOT be Mafia killed tonight. I made a list of people who jumped on the mKmKmK lynch as I felt it was just an attempt of mafia to get a townie lurker lynched. As I went through the list of names using their filters, I came to some tentative conclusions. My current read is that if there is a Ringleader in this game (godfather), it is NoSmurfHere. + Show Spoiler + NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 01 2012 10:25
Also your belief in "proof" probably suggests you shouldn't be playing mafia, given that most accurate reads are not based on anything anywhere close to proof. I feel he may be breadcrumbing for a detective role check. It was just a note next to his name when I Look at the interaction between NoSmurfHere and rastaban. After NoSmurfHere starts the bandwagon against mKmKmK(a lurker lynch I really didn't agree with), he seems very interested in a role claim from NoSmurfHere, perhaps trying to get a detective to waste a night and make a really dangerous "confirmed towny". + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 00:53 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:45 EchelonTee wrote:On June 30 2012 14:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Also, please stop discussing role PMs. The OP clearly states: All flavour will appear exactly as it is here. [blue]This is true for all roles. I don't want to discuss NoSmurfHere's wording of the claim; I'm focusing on the fact that he generically claimed Vanilla Townie, and mKmKmK reacting strangely at it ("vague post is vague") is an eye catcher. Yeah let's not anger the host. The other option is he is a blue acting strangely to it, but I am sure Mafia already thought of this if he isn't on their team so he is outed regardless of alignment. I think this is the easy and probably accurate lynch for today, so we should be thinking about pushing for a role claim from him. I may be reaching, but again, I think I may wake up dead and wanted to get my thoughts out there. Is he trying to link Bugs and Rastaban as scum members? He quotes Rastaban talking with EchelonTee about Bugs's VT roleclaim and says he's quoting an exchange between Rastaban and Bugs. At the time, I read this as him saying Rastaban or mK was a town DT who Bugs was trying to poke into checking him at night. I also didn't read Rastaban's post as him saying someone should check Bugs at night, but rather someone should check mK. So this whole thing confused me and all I got from that was "he says bugs is scum, but out-wifoms himself and says he's the godfather". That has two explanations: he's scum and knows bugs will look like town, or he's a townie out-wifoming himself who really thinks bugs is scumslipping his godfather role (as marvellosity seemed to think). What I didn't get from it was the theory of Bugs+Rastaban scumbuddies. The follow-up at daytime: + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 09:39 Twelve wrote:
Alright I'm going to try and clarify some things since apparently I didn't explain myself very coherently.
On the Foxtrotter swtich -
I had just got a scummy read on foxtrotter out of the thread. I checked the voting thread and saw that a large bandwagon had formed on him. When I went to find out why there was such a huge swing of votes towards him, I noticed that I had less then 1 hour to vote. Instead of figuring out exactly how much time I had I just "ninja" switched in both threads.
On saying "soooo, i guess i'll shut up :D " -
I had just posted a ridiculous conspiracy theory/rant against NoSmurfHere. I still think he is scum, but it was a bad way to present the information. Anyways, pretty much every single thing I wrote turned out to be false. NoSmurfHere cannot be ringleader because BM was the Ringleader. Rastaban cannot be NoSmurfHere's mafia partner because Rastaban turned up green. Once i knew the facts, I felt silly for posting my theory, and offered to shut up. So this could be the fantastic failing of a scumplan and him covering it up. Or it could be a townie explaining how his giant conspiracy theory just failed spectacularly. I think this needs to be sorted out before we lynch Twelve and I am kinda backing down from my case. The rest of his filter is still terrible, but I agree that this whole conspiracy theory into backpedalling is too fucking weird to see from a scum mindset from my point of view. ##unvote for now. [/b][/blue]
***Acro unvotes Twelve, votes ET***
Of specific note is the post from 3:02. Look at Acro's reads on ET/Twelve
- ET is looking scummier, because he hasn't defended himself/hasn't scumhunted
- One reason Twelve looks scummy, point three above, is the godfather bit on NSH.
Now look at Acro's later reads on ET/Twelve
- No update on ET, contrary to this post
On July 06 2012 01:54 Acrofales wrote:
My reasoning on ET is in my filter. Someone (Vivax?) pointed out something wrong with the case on Twelve. I agreed and decided that ET was the next best option. I voted and went to cook, eat, spend time with the gf. When I came back it was the daypost in SSB mafia and Artanis was spamming me with Skype messages, so I never got to look at the thread again until this morning. - Twelve scummy because he's been contradictory/had screwball logic. The exact same reason basically that he was townie before
Who convinced Acro to change his read? Oh, one of his main suspects during D1 and part of D2, Vivax. The guy he was so suspicious of, but didn't quite want to vote for.
And yes, I've defended Vivax and had a townread on him. I'm basically suggesting with this post that Acro/Vivax may be scum, and this is action between them, and Acro bussed BM, etc.. They both flopped all over Twelve/ET yesterday. Fight with each other in some posts, then all of a sudden Vivax causes Acro to see the light and swap to ET. Acro never returns, Vivax the convincer later swap to Twelve, then to ET later after Wiggles tells us ET will be replaced. Not confident in his read enough to stay on the guy that he's convincing someone else to swap to.
Super Bonus Fun Post!
[B]On July 04 2012 18:19 Vivax wrote: Lynch twelve or katina. I think Shiao has posted enough to be estimated better once the two of them flip. Katina ignoring so many scummy players to suspect Adam is just ridiculous. I think I've found something to Adam's defense. Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 16:11 Bill Murray wrote:
vig shoot Adam first
because he asked you to shoot
broke the golden rule So much for Adam. Alright. The other candidate for her and twelve is casualman. Obviously a troll and an easy target. I don't think he's mafia, but he sure could be an asset to them. I don't care if we lynch Katina or twelve for now. ET going silent stinks, too. He found a good reason to push a townie case cause of the kenpachi rule. No safer way for scum to cause a mislynch by promoting a policy lynch. Also, for an experienced player, he should be posting more as townie.
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+ Show Spoiler [austinmcc's spiel on me] +On July 06 2012 06:02 austinmcc wrote:Not mentioned in the above timeline is Acrofales. Here's the short form of Acro during D2. 23:43 - Votes Katina - + Show Spoiler +On July 03 2012 23:42 Acrofales wrote:Hrmmm, I disagree. I don't know when she started making decent sensible cases and pushing her reads in Jubjub, but she has not done that yet here. I guess the frivolous nonsense is more like jubjub than like MTG, but I don't get the feeling she's putting effort into scumhunting this game (see her D1 reason, and later defense of her BKE vote), whereas she was clearly doing that in jubjub. ##vote katina ***For the next 6 hours or so, Acro has two targets: Katina and Vivax. He was on Vivax a lot D1 and overnight, and just kept bringing those two up. + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 03:01 Acrofales wrote:
I think the lynch should be between Vivax and Katina.
On July 04 2012 03:07 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and just in case it's not clear from my vote, I currently favour Katina over Vivax. *** 6:01 - 6:03 - Acro swaps from Katina to Twelve - + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 06:01 Acrofales wrote:Okay. I've read Twelve's filter and some of the points brought up about him. I now have a top 3 people I want to lynch. Twelve has some stuff that reads like scum. Compilation of the cases: Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:Mattchew's People that need to die and why list2. TwelveBlatant contradiction in his first posts. Says he is all for Band wagon hatred, then jumps on the 2 bandwagons forming at that time (Kurumi and BKexe) + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 10:45 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 14:17 Sinensis wrote:On June 23 2012 13:19 grush57 wrote:
If you're too lazy to post about policy lynching me, then you would be too lazy to do anything else so goodbye, you would be useless to town anyways. You try explaining to 30 people why they should hate someone they don't know yet. I'm all for band wagon hatred! explain away On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote:
My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. Follow this with his next 2 posts, the first with quite possibly the worst reasoning for a vote ever (read completely forced reasoning to try and continue a bandwagon), and then a post trying to be cutesy and buddying with the thread saying "don't take it personally" yuck. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? On July 01 2012 17:12 Twelve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 16:07 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed? Not sure that ninja voting is against the rules, but just so we can stay friends: ##vote: BKXI made my case against you, not really trying to hide anything. The current "bandwagon" against you is merely logical, nothing personal ^^
I don't know why Mattchew is making connection cases based on not-yet-flipped people, but of the two I think Twelve is more likely to flip scum and I think this case sums up his D1 behaviour. Twelve's defense consists mainly of "it was a joke" and some discussion about what a bandwagon is, which seemed okay when I hadn't read his filter and only saw the case in a list of scum. Now I'm no longer convinced. + Show Spoiler [Twelve's defense] +On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote:@Mattchew haha where to start... My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much. I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D) As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar. Bugs suggested this about his apeshit behaviour at night: Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 07:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 03 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
NoSmurfHere - here's a clue. You're not established. even if I'm not established he'd just call me scum. To call me godfather is stretching unnecessarily. It could only mean he already knows my alignment. I don't really see a reason why a townie would call someone godfather. Scum pushing a townie, or scum distancing himself from an actual godfather are both better explanations. I seem to remember there being another case against Twelve which was the one that actually made him blip on my scumdar, but I cannot find it. Anyway, yeah. I'm still not completely sure about Vivax, Katina has gone awol again. Lets kill Twelve. ##unvote
##vote Twelve ***Acro stays on Twelve for a while. Continues referencing Katina/Vivax in posts. Between wanting to lynch Vivax or Katina and now, he's somehow unsure on Vivax - + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 21:33 Acrofales wrote:
Twelve: scum. I have my vote on him. I suggest you do the same.
ShiaoPi: uncomfortable lynching him for reasons stated above.
Katina:
grouped with ET for highest probable veteran to be scum. I actually think her case on Mandalor has merit. But her best read is on a lurker, which is kind of a cop-out for a veteran. She was under pressure, came in and made a complete throwaway case on casualman, is not pushing the case and has probably gone off to lalaland again. If someone with a better metaread can point me in the right direction I will sheep.
So far Mattchew and VE have town reads and Bugs and ghost have a scum read from meta. I was leaning scum based on the meta. Mattchew shot that down without explaining. Still waiting to hear why Katina is playing to her town meta from people with more playtime with her (particularly from Mattchew) before deciding on her. It seems clear that we're not going to get anything useful out of her today.
Vivax: still unsure on what the hell he is. Uncomfortable with lynching him at the moment *** 3:02 - Reinforcement of his position on Twelve, after some back and forth with Vivax. Notes that he has been getting a scummier feeling on ET because of lack of defense/lack of scumhunting - + Show Spoiler +On July 05 2012 03:02 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 01:53 Vivax wrote:You can skip the whole thing if it mindfucks you. I'll break it down to my intentions based on that reasoning:
##Vote for peopleOn July 05 2012 01:45 Vivax wrote:
(like twelve, katina, ET, grush) I downright disagree on your policy, but the list you come up with corresponds to mine. I don't like a grush lynch, but it's mainly meta (he's playing the same as in space station where I blew him up and he flipped town). Other people have referenced LV and I agree that there he played far more actively. No clue how to read him and it seems like a coinflip. I have him with kurumi, casualman, majuju and adam: I'd bet my life that there's scum in that list, but fucked if I know how many or which ones. If there's still a vig with bullets he should be shooting into this list, though. DT should also be checking these, because I have given up trying to get a read from their posts. I actually find your whole logic on the policy completely topsy turvy and it also doesn't agree with your conclusions. Twelve, Katina and ET all have filters that are readable. They can be analyzed. We can analyze the cases made against them too. That gives us information to work with to unravel the rest of the team. Eventually we'll have to deal with the lurker team, but with, hopefully, some aid from vigis and DTs we won't have to lynch all six of them (we don't have time anyway). Now onto scumhunting: ET and Katina are the only two who have changed since last we chatted. Katina is here and posting. She seems unconcerned about getting lynched, which is more townie than scum. Then again, I was just told in SSB that reactions are the easiest thing to fake for scum. Still on the fence. ET has steadily been rising. The more I read his filter the more I see reasons for scum to post the way he does and the less it appears to be townie. His utter lack of defense against the cases raised against him, and his failure to do any scumhunting today despite the promise are making him look scummier every time I look at it. But Twelve is a better lynch, imho. There are just too many contradictions and coincidences in his filter. #ITEM No. 1Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 15:15 Twelve wrote:
I'm still thinking on this. I think casualman probably still our most likely scum lynch. I'll get back to you tomorrow morning on the info lynch. I'm not feeling the casualman lynch as a scum lynch. I hate associative cases before we flip someone, but with Katina and Twelve both pushing casualman it just feels like the easy townie that is being thrown in front of the truck by the scumteam. I also don't buy his "most likely scum lynch": it's a coinflip. No. The most likely scumflip is Twelve. #ITEM No. 2Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 10:13 Twelve wrote:@Acrofales + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 06:01 Acrofales wrote:Okay. I've read Twelve's filter and some of the points brought up about him. I now have a top 3 people I want to lynch. Twelve has some stuff that reads like scum. Compilation of the cases: Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:Mattchew's People that need to die and why list2. TwelveBlatant contradiction in his first posts. Says he is all for Band wagon hatred, then jumps on the 2 bandwagons forming at that time (Kurumi and BKexe) + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 10:45 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 14:17 Sinensis wrote:On June 23 2012 13:19 grush57 wrote:
If you're too lazy to post about policy lynching me, then you would be too lazy to do anything else so goodbye, you would be useless to town anyways. You try explaining to 30 people why they should hate someone they don't know yet. I'm all for band wagon hatred! explain away On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote:
My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. Follow this with his next 2 posts, the first with quite possibly the worst reasoning for a vote ever (read completely forced reasoning to try and continue a bandwagon), and then a post trying to be cutesy and buddying with the thread saying "don't take it personally" yuck. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? On July 01 2012 17:12 Twelve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 16:07 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed? Not sure that ninja voting is against the rules, but just so we can stay friends: ##vote: BKXI made my case against you, not really trying to hide anything. The current "bandwagon" against you is merely logical, nothing personal ^^
I don't know why Mattchew is making connection cases based on not-yet-flipped people, but of the two I think Twelve is more likely to flip scum and I think this case sums up his D1 behaviour. Twelve's defense consists mainly of "it was a joke" and some discussion about what a bandwagon is, which seemed okay when I hadn't read his filter and only saw the case in a list of scum. Now I'm no longer convinced. + Show Spoiler [Twelve's defense] +On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote:@Mattchew haha where to start... My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much. I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D) As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar. Bugs suggested this about his apeshit behaviour at night: Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 07:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 03 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
NoSmurfHere - here's a clue. You're not established. even if I'm not established he'd just call me scum. To call me godfather is stretching unnecessarily. It could only mean he already knows my alignment. I don't really see a reason why a townie would call someone godfather. Scum pushing a townie, or scum distancing himself from an actual godfather are both better explanations. I seem to remember there being another case against Twelve which was the one that actually made him blip on my scumdar, but I cannot find it. Anyway, yeah. I'm still not completely sure about Vivax, Katina has gone awol again. Lets kill Twelve. ##unvote
##vote Twelve I am curious why you are quoting Mattchew to make your case against me. Mattchew never had a case against me, it never had any traction, He misread a post from before the game ever started and tried to point out my "contradictions". Ridiculousness. The reason I said what I said about NoSmurfHere was because I wanted to get my notes out to a detective in case I died. Maybe indicative of newbieness, but I didn't want to die and not be able to say anything else. Finally, would you mind revisiting your scumdar and finding an actual case against me? I'll gladly answer any further questions. I had quoted Mattchew's case mainly for its second point, which was the HORRID reasoning around his BKE vote. The first point seemed adequately explained by s0lstice as Mattchew failing reading comprehension, but the reasoning around Twelve's vote was terrible and Mattchew called him out on it. However, that doesn't really matter. The problem is with the bolded part in the reply. This reads to me like a scum who had dodged a bullet. Unfortunately for Twelve, Mafia doesn't work like that and now Mattchew's read is gaining traction. He panicked and tried to wave it off. Yes, the first part of the case was crap, but the second point was valid, and still is. Dismissing half the post as bullshit doesn't make the other half bullshit too. ITEM No. 3His night behaviour. How the hell do you go from "he's scum" to "he's the godfather" without some kind of prior knowledge. I don't get it and no matter how many times Twelve tells me it was a "noobie mistake" I still won't get it. In closing, Twelve is scum and should die for his sins. ##vote Twelvefor reinforcement, my vote is already in the right spot - Interaction between Vivax and Acro Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:38 Acrofales wrote:On July 05 2012 04:36 Vivax wrote:
Acro, consider a vote switch to ET? Tell me why and I might. Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:39 Acrofales wrote:
Actually no. I already thought about it. I feel good on Twelve. Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:39 Acrofales wrote:
But tell me why anyway. I want to hear more of your reasoning. Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:43 Vivax wrote:
Cause Twelve suspected Bugs, who wasn't under pressure at the time, and rastaban. The guy who got killed by mafia.
I wouldn't understand the actions from a scum point of view.
There's a lot of talk about ET already. Take the way he tries to influence bandwagons without reads. Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:45 Vivax wrote:
It's a pretty small piece of evidence in a filter that mostly paints a bad light on him. I'd still vote for him if I didn't see it. Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 05:19 Acrofales wrote:
I have to say that I missed that bit from Twelve. Let me take another look, it could be a mistake, but you're right, there's something wonky there. In fact, it's the same reason why I started to think you weren't scum after all, lol.
I have to say that twelve's posts are harder to make sense of. It's not so much a case as a conspiracy theory. I'll have to think about it. Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 05:50 Acrofales wrote:Okay. Gone over the whole passage and it's a giant contradiction. I can't make sense of this. Just gonna post it in case someone else can make sense of the screwball logic that is happening here: First relevant post, when Twelve goes all paranoid theory: + Show Spoiler +On July 03 2012 06:43 Twelve wrote:I'm hesitant to post this,but I have a feeling I may be killed tonight, and a REALLY strong feeling NoSmurfHere WILL NOT be Mafia killed tonight. I made a list of people who jumped on the mKmKmK lynch as I felt it was just an attempt of mafia to get a townie lurker lynched. As I went through the list of names using their filters, I came to some tentative conclusions. My current read is that if there is a Ringleader in this game (godfather), it is NoSmurfHere. + Show Spoiler + NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 01 2012 10:25
Also your belief in "proof" probably suggests you shouldn't be playing mafia, given that most accurate reads are not based on anything anywhere close to proof. I feel he may be breadcrumbing for a detective role check. It was just a note next to his name when I Look at the interaction between NoSmurfHere and rastaban. After NoSmurfHere starts the bandwagon against mKmKmK(a lurker lynch I really didn't agree with), he seems very interested in a role claim from NoSmurfHere, perhaps trying to get a detective to waste a night and make a really dangerous "confirmed towny". + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 00:53 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:45 EchelonTee wrote:On June 30 2012 14:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Also, please stop discussing role PMs. The OP clearly states: All flavour will appear exactly as it is here. This is true for all roles. I don't want to discuss NoSmurfHere's wording of the claim; I'm focusing on the fact that he generically claimed Vanilla Townie, and mKmKmK reacting strangely at it ("vague post is vague") is an eye catcher. Yeah let's not anger the host. The other option is he is a blue acting strangely to it, but I am sure Mafia already thought of this if he isn't on their team so he is outed regardless of alignment. I think this is the easy and probably accurate lynch for today, so we should be thinking about pushing for a role claim from him. I may be reaching, but again, I think I may wake up dead and wanted to get my thoughts out there. Is he trying to link Bugs and Rastaban as scum members? He quotes Rastaban talking with EchelonTee about Bugs's VT roleclaim and says he's quoting an exchange between Rastaban and Bugs. At the time, I read this as him saying Rastaban or mK was a town DT who Bugs was trying to poke into checking him at night. I also didn't read Rastaban's post as him saying someone should check Bugs at night, but rather someone should check mK. So this whole thing confused me and all I got from that was "he says bugs is scum, but out-wifoms himself and says he's the godfather". That has two explanations: he's scum and knows bugs will look like town, or he's a townie out-wifoming himself who really thinks bugs is scumslipping his godfather role (as marvellosity seemed to think). What I didn't get from it was the theory of Bugs+Rastaban scumbuddies. The follow-up at daytime: + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 09:39 Twelve wrote:
Alright I'm going to try and clarify some things since apparently I didn't explain myself very coherently.
On the Foxtrotter swtich -
I had just got a scummy read on foxtrotter out of the thread. I checked the voting thread and saw that a large bandwagon had formed on him. When I went to find out why there was such a huge swing of votes towards him, I noticed that I had less then 1 hour to vote. Instead of figuring out exactly how much time I had I just "ninja" switched in both threads.
On saying "soooo, i guess i'll shut up :D " -
I had just posted a ridiculous conspiracy theory/rant against NoSmurfHere. I still think he is scum, but it was a bad way to present the information. Anyways, pretty much every single thing I wrote turned out to be false. NoSmurfHere cannot be ringleader because BM was the Ringleader. Rastaban cannot be NoSmurfHere's mafia partner because Rastaban turned up green. Once i knew the facts, I felt silly for posting my theory, and offered to shut up. So this could be the fantastic failing of a scumplan and him covering it up. Or it could be a townie explaining how his giant conspiracy theory just failed spectacularly. I think this needs to be sorted out before we lynch Twelve and I am kinda backing down from my case. The rest of his filter is still terrible, but I agree that this whole conspiracy theory into backpedalling is too fucking weird to see from a scum mindset from my point of view. ##unvote for now. ***Acro unvotes Twelve, votes ET*** Of specific note is the post from 3:02. Look at Acro's reads on ET/Twelve - ET is looking scummier, because he hasn't defended himself/hasn't scumhunted
- One reason Twelve looks scummy, point three above, is the godfather bit on NSH.
Now look at Acro's later reads on ET/Twelve - No update on ET, contrary to this post
On July 06 2012 01:54 Acrofales wrote:
My reasoning on ET is in my filter. Someone (Vivax?) pointed out something wrong with the case on Twelve. I agreed and decided that ET was the next best option. I voted and went to cook, eat, spend time with the gf. When I came back it was the daypost in SSB mafia and Artanis was spamming me with Skype messages, so I never got to look at the thread again until this morning. - Twelve scummy because he's been contradictory/had screwball logic. The exact same reason basically that he was townie before
Who convinced Acro to change his read? Oh, one of his main suspects during D1 and part of D2, Vivax. The guy he was so suspicious of, but didn't quite want to vote for. And yes, I've defended Vivax and had a townread on him. I'm basically suggesting with this post that Acro/Vivax may be scum, and this is action between them, and Acro bussed BM, etc.. They both flopped all over Twelve/ET yesterday. Fight with each other in some posts, then all of a sudden Vivax causes Acro to see the light and swap to ET. Acro never returns, Vivax the convincer later swap to Twelve, then to ET later after Wiggles tells us ET will be replaced. Not confident in his read enough to stay on the guy that he's convincing someone else to swap to. Super Bonus Fun Post! Show nested quote +On July 04 2012 18:19 Vivax wrote:
Lynch twelve or katina. I think Shiao has posted enough to be estimated better once the two of them flip.
Katina ignoring so many scummy players to suspect Adam is just ridiculous. I think I've found something to Adam's defense.
On July 01 2012 16:11 Bill Murray wrote:
vig shoot Adam first
because he asked you to shoot
broke the golden rule
So much for Adam.
Alright. The other candidate for her and twelve is casualman. Obviously a troll and an easy target. I don't think he's mafia, but he sure could be an asset to them.
I don't care if we lynch Katina or twelve for now.
ET going silent stinks, too. He found a good reason to push a townie case cause of the kenpachi rule. No safer way for scum to cause a mislynch by promoting a policy lynch. Also, for an experienced player, he should be posting more as townie. Adam comes under suspicion. Vivax pops back to D1 and finds what felt like a joke post from BM asking folks to shoot at Adam. Not damning, but I really don't like some of these interactions.
I don't much like your short version. Let me counter with mine:
Here is my case on Vivax last night: + Show Spoiler [last night] +On July 02 2012 17:41 Acrofales wrote:
<snip>
Vivax: I like you for a D2 lynch too. Every single case you've made has been some kind of wonky connection-based case with terrible premises. I'm not sure what s0lstice sees in you that's townie, but I'm not getting it.
1. You are not reading the thread properly despite being told multiple times by multiple people (myself, VE and marvellosity so far) to read the thread.
2. You are throwing suspicion around on people without giving a real reason (myself, VE, Shiao and marvellosity). While you built a dodgy connection case on VE and me based on the premise that BM is town (can we please lynch and/or shoot BM?!), your "suspicion" of marvellosity is that he is shutting down discussion at a time he was GENERATING discussion. You also don't like ShiaoPi for some unspecified reasons. You are therefore casting suspicion without real reason on:
- Me: confirmed town
- VE: slight town read
- Marvellosity: quite a strong town read, despite the bad lynch. The way he brought the lynch together was imho very townie.
- ShiaoPi: slight town read
I'd be happy to look into any of the 3 players if you tell me what you think is scummy, but saying "you're shutting down discussion when he isn't" or "I don't like your posts" is trying to take away momentum from town players and creating a bad atmosphere. That is scum agenda point number 1.
3. Your scumhunting is limited to making connection cases. The only case that isn't a connection case is suggesting grush for a lurker lynch. I say above what I think about grush. However, it's a pretty damned easy case to make. It was also at a time to create MORE chaos in a thread that was consolidating on a lynch (however badly that turned out). Adding candidates 1 hour before the deadline is a terrible idea unless someone suddenly stands out as obvious scum. Grush didn't do that, it was just another lurker to be added to the list. Why? To make the votecount even more dispersed and less useful than it is now? For somoene who likes connection cases this is fucking weird: the strongest connnections are votes.
4. Your voting behaviour.
You said Mandalor was scum. I haven't even seen you give a good reason why on that one either, but regardless of that, somehow your ninjavote ended up on mK:
On July 01 2012 21:45 Vivax wrote:
##unvote
##Vote mKmKmK
Note the timestamp: 12 hours before the deadline. A look in his filter gives us this post:
[spoiler=Vivax defending mK]
On July 01 2012 21:42 Vivax wrote:
Ok, ET. Looks like I'll have to do the talk for you: "Why the hell is Vivax using that argument when I've already posted 2 others for a scum mK being an option?Does he want to say that the policy is the only reason I'm doing that?"
1. The scum claim you adressed.
I guess with it you meant that he says VE used good arguments against BKE, but then considers him to be scummy for one line of text than really says nothing about VE's alignment.
Then he suspects kurumi for 'mafiavibes', that's all.
I agree that his arguments are terrible and contain zero information. From this point of view he's actually scummy or bad townie.
2. His low activity after that post
I don't know how experienced it is, but that behavior would also fit a blue role.
That would also be the argument made by you I consider to not be decisive, yet you treat this as a strong argument against him.
3. His wishywashy post regarding the VT roleclaim.
A blue role could react like that, too.
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I'm kind of changing my opinion regarding him after writing this. Mainly because of point 1 .I still think that point 2 and 3 wouldn't be enough for me to vote for him. But 1 is a good argument to vote for him.
Sorry if I don't have as much faith in the kenpachi rule as you do, but I didn't see it successfully in action through multiple games, and I also see the downsides.
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So, you are unconvinced by ET's case on mK, there is absolutely NO reason to consolidate votes, yet 3 minutes later you ninjavote for mK's death. I have to say, I don't understand this move from a scum PoV either, but I understand it LESS from a town PoV: how do you defend a guy and then vote for him 3 minutes later. Best fitting explanation I can think of: you're noob scum naïvely bussing your teammate and thinking you can salvage it with some chaos and a D2 BKE lynch (he made a post trying to connect mK and BKE 10 minutes after his vote).
In closing, you're scum
I thought that case was pretty good. Even more so when it got immediately spammed under by Wiggl3s and ET's little spat and Vivax posting this: + Show Spoiler [Vivax gloating about the lack of tract…] +On July 02 2012 18:49 Vivax wrote:
Poor poor acrofales.
Posting such a huge case and then he gets zero attention for it 
I'll give you some:
Get your things straight, thinking I'd be mafia is ridiculous.
Let's string up people for the FT mislynch.I told you the cases against him were bullshit and more of a policy lynch than anything else.
That said, marv, I don't see you drawing conclusions after his death, but you criticisized mine before his death for being premature.
You contribute zero to town except for causing bandwagons, and your posts are numerous, but not helpful.
I'll anticipate what I'm gonna do day2.
##Vote marvellosity
In that same post he is putting pressure on marvellosity. At the time I found that scummy as well, because marv was one of my strongest town reads (not post-hoc for all you unbelievers, look at the night case I made against Vivax), so I was feeling pretty good about going to push Vivax on D2.
However, at the start of D2 marv flipped green. Also drwiggl3s, who I kinda suspected for spamming away my case flipped green. So while my case was still making sense to me, I had to admit that it wasn't scum shitting up the thread to bury my case (and with ET flipping green too that theory is completely out the window now) and that brought me back to that night post.
How does a scum Vivax make a case on marvellosity (one of my strongest town reads and I presume I wasn't the only one) and then scum shoots him? That kept playing through my head and was the main thing I was trying to make sense of with Vivax. Here is where I say that, although I admit I could have said it clearer: + Show Spoiler [doubts about Vivax] +On July 03 2012 22:05 Acrofales wrote:
Okay. Lets talk about Vivax. Here's my case from last night:
[spoiler=full post]
On July 02 2012 17:41 Acrofales wrote:Marvellosity, why you no lead me to scum? I disagree with drwiggl3s. He seems to be implying that everybody should've voted for BKE, because the lynch was lead off him by scum. Clearly a possibility, but as the day went on I was also getting townier vibes about BKE, so it could just be townies realizing that lynching BKE was a bad idea when push came to shove. The choice between mK and foxtrotter is still pretty null in my book. Marvellosity made a case against foxtrotter for being a hypocrit. ET made a case against mK for kenpachi rule. Other than these two things both were lurkers. I ended up sheeping marvellosity because I liked his case a bit more. Turns out that was wrong. + Show Spoiler [votecount] +
mKmKmK - 6
rastaban
Kurumi
Vivax
austinmcc
Foxtrotter
grush57
BroodKingEXE - 6
Katina
ShiaoPi
drwiggl3s
Bill Murray
Mandalor
layabout
casualman - 2
BroodKingEXE
casualman
Foxtrotter - 11
Marvellosity
Mattchew
Acrofales
EchelonTee
s0Lstice
Hyaach
VisceraEyes
MajuGarzett
NoSmurfHere
Twelve
ghost_403
Mandalor - 1
Adam4167
No vote: mKmKmK
There's a few things I want to draw from the votecount. The first is that mK never even showed up to vote, so he should get modkilled or replaced. I don't think it's worth discussing him until one of those things happens. Inactives are null, although I have a meta-argument that if the host puts in a lot of work to find a replacement for an inactive, he is probably scum. It has worked in Holy Roman (it took Caller/Toad/blubb a lot of effort to replace Vaderseven; he was scum) and in Game of Thrones (it took Curu a LOT of effort to replace Gumshoe; also was scum). 2 is a pretty shitty sample size for statistics, but it's worth remembering. The second is that I was kinda expecting casualman to switch his vote at some point during the day, but he never did, not even when the lynch was equally balanced between 3 targets. That goes beyond the earlier simple trolling to being full-blown retarded. If someone would do us the favour of shooting him tonight so we don't have to worry about him tomorrow, that'd be great.
grush: I asked you earlier who you wanted to lynch. I am unsatisfied with: + Show Spoiler [suspicious of casualman] +On July 02 2012 01:57 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 01:49 layabout wrote:Current Votes: + Show Spoiler +
(Top: most recent Bottom: least recent)
VisceraEyes ##Vote: BillMurray
austinmcc ##Vote mKmKmK
Vivax ##Vote mKmKmK
Vivax ##Vote Mandalor
Kurumi ##vote mKmKmK
EchelonTee ##vote mKmKmK
Hyaach ##vote mKmKmK
s0Lstice ##Vote: Katina
Adam4167 ##Vote: Mandalor
Mandalor ##vote: BroodKingEXE
MajuGarzett ##Vote: NoSmurfHere
Twelve ##vote: BroodKingEXE
Bill Murray ##vote: BroodKingeXxe
casualman ##Vote: casualman
drwiggl3s ##Vote: BroodKingEXE
ShiaoPi ##vote: BroodKingEXE
rastaban ##vote mKmKmK
BroodKingEXE ##Vote: casualman
VisceraEyes ##Vote: BroodKingEXE
Bill Murray ##Vote Acrofales
Acrofales ##vote BillMurray
Mattchew ##vote casualman
casualman ##Vote BroodKingEXE
Bill Murray ##Vote: VE
Katina ##Vote BroodKingEXE
NoSmurfHere ##vote mKmKmK
VisceraEyes ##Vote: VisceraEyes
votecount:
mKmKmK (7)
austinmcc
Vivax
Kurumi
EchelonTee
Hyaach
NoSmurfHere
rastaban
BroodkingEXE (6)
Katina
ShiaoPi
drwiggl3s
Bill Murray
Twelve
mandalor
Casualman (3)
Casualman
BrodkingEXE
Mattchew
BillMurray (2)
VisceraEyes
Acrofales
Mandalor (1)
Adam4167
NoSmurfHere (1)
MajuGarzett
Katina (1)
s0Lstice
As a member of our great (circus) town it is very important that you put effort and time into your vote. It increases your chance of winning. It is expected of town. It is not very difficult for town. It is benfiacial for town. It is risky for mafia. The more opinions mafia give and the more stances mafia have to take, the more likely they are to give themselves away. Avoiding putting in time and effort in voting is beneficial to mafia. With that in mind, why on earth are VisceraEyes and Acrofales throwing away their votes. Both players are known for domineering and leading threads for better or worse and it is surprising that they are happy to cast votes that will be of little consequence. These players: + Show Spoiler +Katina
NoSmurfHere
Mattchew
Acrofales
Voted very early on and have not changed their votws. I am concerned that so many players are content to leave their votes like this when you consider the huge difference in the information available when they voted to the information available now. Casualman voted for himself. Either he is a townie that is playing to screw with us or he is mafia plaing to screw with us. We should kill Casualman. If we allow players to do that then we will be dealing with nonsense all game and once all of the active players are killed off our lurking brethren will see a bunch of rubbish get confused and lose. I still think we should kill Kurumi but he is at least half playing the game. ##Vote Casualman I have to agree. Atleast BM isn't going full retard like casualman. Casualman doesn't want to play and is just being plain stupid. Plus, he is by far playing the most scummiest so far. On July 02 2012 04:05 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:03 BroodKingEXE wrote:Your two posts on me: On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote:
My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. Does it matter what I was interested in before game? I wasn't scum or townie before the game, so it wouldn't reveal anything about more alignment. On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? Your going to vote for me for posting a votecount? Funny how you ninja vote right after it, maybe you saw the count and thought you could get away with it while everyone was using it to get a gauge on the accusations. A vote is a powerful indicator of whether you are scum or not, a townie doesn't need to hide it as it reveals their townieness. Y u so scum bro Into voting for mK with no prior reasoning. Now given the pre-game banter you seem to be one of those players who looks scummy in all his games, regardless of actual alignment (like bluelightz and Zealos). I know you looked scummy in Space Station and were town, because I blew you up for looking scummy (or rather, placed a bomb on you and scum shot me). However, this looks terrible. I want to know what the rest of the thread thinks of this. It's night, so plenty of time to discuss.
Vivax: I like you for a D2 lynch too. Every single case you've made has been some kind of wonky connection-based case with terrible premises. I'm not sure what s0lstice sees in you that's townie, but I'm not getting it. 1. You are not reading the thread properly despite being told multiple times by multiple people (myself, VE and marvellosity so far) to read the thread. 2. You are throwing suspicion around on people without giving a real reason (myself, VE, Shiao and marvellosity). While you built a dodgy connection case on VE and me based on the premise that BM is town (can we please lynch and/or shoot BM?!), your "suspicion" of marvellosity is that he is shutting down discussion at a time he was GENERATING discussion. You also don't like ShiaoPi for some unspecified reasons. You are therefore casting suspicion without real reason on: - Me: confirmed town
- VE: slight town read
- Marvellosity: quite a strong town read, despite the bad lynch. The way he brought the lynch together was imho very townie.
- ShiaoPi: slight town read
I'd be happy to look into any of the 3 players if you tell me what you think is scummy, but saying "you're shutting down discussion when he isn't" or "I don't like your posts" is trying to take away momentum from town players and creating a bad atmosphere. That is scum agenda point number 1. 3. Your scumhunting is limited to making connection cases. The only case that isn't a connection case is suggesting grush for a lurker lynch. I say above what I think about grush. However, it's a pretty damned easy case to make. It was also at a time to create MORE chaos in a thread that was consolidating on a lynch (however badly that turned out). Adding candidates 1 hour before the deadline is a terrible idea unless someone suddenly stands out as obvious scum. Grush didn't do that, it was just another lurker to be added to the list. Why? To make the votecount even more dispersed and less useful than it is now? For somoene who likes connection cases this is fucking weird: the strongest connnections are votes. 4. Your voting behaviour. You said Mandalor was scum. I haven't even seen you give a good reason why on that one either, but regardless of that, somehow your ninjavote ended up on mK: Note the timestamp: 12 hours before the deadline. A look in his filter gives us this post: + Show Spoiler [Vivax defending mK] +On July 01 2012 21:42 Vivax wrote:
Ok, ET. Looks like I'll have to do the talk for you: "Why the hell is Vivax using that argument when I've already posted 2 others for a scum mK being an option?Does he want to say that the policy is the only reason I'm doing that?"
1. The scum claim you adressed.
I guess with it you meant that he says VE used good arguments against BKE, but then considers him to be scummy for one line of text than really says nothing about VE's alignment.
Then he suspects kurumi for 'mafiavibes', that's all.
I agree that his arguments are terrible and contain zero information. From this point of view he's actually scummy or bad townie.
2. His low activity after that post
I don't know how experienced it is, but that behavior would also fit a blue role.
That would also be the argument made by you I consider to not be decisive, yet you treat this as a strong argument against him.
3. His wishywashy post regarding the VT roleclaim.
A blue role could react like that, too.
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I'm kind of changing my opinion regarding him after writing this. Mainly because of point 1 .I still think that point 2 and 3 wouldn't be enough for me to vote for him. But 1 is a good argument to vote for him.
Sorry if I don't have as much faith in the kenpachi rule as you do, but I didn't see it successfully in action through multiple games, and I also see the downsides. So, you are unconvinced by ET's case on mK, there is absolutely NO reason to consolidate votes, yet 3 minutes later you ninjavote for mK's death. I have to say, I don't understand this move from a scum PoV either, but I understand it LESS from a town PoV: how do you defend a guy and then vote for him 3 minutes later. Best fitting explanation I can think of: you're noob scum naïvely bussing your teammate and thinking you can salvage it with some chaos and a D2 BKE lynch (he made a post trying to connect mK and BKE 10 minutes after his vote). In closing, you're scum
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Most of that still stands. However, the last part is clearly not true.
4. Your voting behaviour. You said Mandalor was scum. I haven't even seen you give a good reason why on that one either, but regardless of that, somehow your ninjavote ended up on mK: Note the timestamp: 12 hours before the deadline. A look in his filter gives us this post: + Show Spoiler [Vivax defending mK] +On July 01 2012 21:42 Vivax wrote:
Ok, ET. Looks like I'll have to do the talk for you: "Why the hell is Vivax using that argument when I've already posted 2 others for a scum mK being an option?Does he want to say that the policy is the only reason I'm doing that?"
1. The scum claim you adressed.
I guess with it you meant that he says VE used good arguments against BKE, but then considers him to be scummy for one line of text than really says nothing about VE's alignment.
Then he suspects kurumi for 'mafiavibes', that's all.
I agree that his arguments are terrible and contain zero information. From this point of view he's actually scummy or bad townie.
2. His low activity after that post
I don't know how experienced it is, but that behavior would also fit a blue role.
That would also be the argument made by you I consider to not be decisive, yet you treat this as a strong argument against him.
3. His wishywashy post regarding the VT roleclaim.
A blue role could react like that, too.
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I'm kind of changing my opinion regarding him after writing this. Mainly because of point 1 .I still think that point 2 and 3 wouldn't be enough for me to vote for him. But 1 is a good argument to vote for him.
Sorry if I don't have as much faith in the kenpachi rule as you do, but I didn't see it successfully in action through multiple games, and I also see the downsides. So, you are unconvinced by ET's case on mK, there is absolutely NO reason to consolidate votes, yet 3 minutes later you ninjavote for mK's death. I have to say, I don't understand this move from a scum PoV either, but I understand it LESS from a town PoV: how do you defend a guy and then vote for him 3 minutes later. Best fitting explanation I can think of: you're noob scum naïvely bussing your teammate and thinking you can salvage it with some chaos and a D2 BKE lynch (he made a post trying to connect mK and BKE 10 minutes after his vote).
Vivax, I am trying to puzzle out how this works from scum OR town. We now know mK is town. I cannot think of an explanation for how your vote ended up on him after defending him, regardless of your alignment. I want you to explain your thought process here to me, because the same happened slightly later again.
[spoiler=Vivax pre-votes marv]
On July 02 2012 18:49 Vivax wrote:Poor poor acrofales. Posting such a huge case and then he gets zero attention for it I'll give you some: Get your things straight, thinking I'd be mafia is ridiculous.Let's string up people for the FT mislynch.I told you the cases against him were bullshit and more of a policy lynch than anything else. That said, marv, I don't see you drawing conclusions after his death, but you criticisized mine before his death for being premature. You contribute zero to town except for causing bandwagons, and your posts are numerous, but not helpful. I'll anticipate what I'm gonna do day2. ##Vote marvellosity
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Marv dies at the daypost and flips town. Now why would a scum Vivax bother with such a post and then shoot Marv in the face? Unless Marv was shot by some utterly insane vigi (I had him fairly clearly town in my spreadsheet), but then the NKs don't add up. Seems to me Marv was shot by scum (makes perfect sense, as an active townie-looking player with a good reputation), so how does a scum-Vivax make a case on Marv and then shoot him.
These two actions don't make sense. The first one from either scum or town point of view, the second one from a scum point of view (from a town point of view it's just a really bad read).
These make me unsure of Vivax as scum. However, the rest of the case still points to a scummy Vivax. Given Katina and Hyaach's behaviour (thanks for pointing that one out, also flew under my radar), I'm going to give Vivax the benefit of the doubt for now.
@Vivax: I still want a better answer on the case than "lol, a stupid townie is burying your case under a pile of spam". I'm still not sure you're scum.
Then some of my other town reads started speaking in defense of Vivax: NSH and austinmcc reinforcing the points I made, so I was really starting to doubt my earlier read.
As for my accepting his reasoning on Twelve?
1. I still wasn't (and still am not) convinced either way on Vivax. So I wanted to hear what he had to say, but I doubted he'd change my mind, because I was really confident in the case I made on Twelve (+ Show Spoiler [here] +On July 05 2012 03:02 Acrofales wrote:
On July 05 2012 01:53 Vivax wrote:You can skip the whole thing if it mindfucks you. I'll break it down to my intentions based on that reasoning:
##Vote for people
I downright disagree on your policy, but the list you come up with corresponds to mine. I don't like a grush lynch, but it's mainly meta (he's playing the same as in space station where I blew him up and he flipped town). Other people have referenced LV and I agree that there he played far more actively. No clue how to read him and it seems like a coinflip. I have him with kurumi, casualman, majuju and adam: I'd bet my life that there's scum in that list, but fucked if I know how many or which ones. If there's still a vig with bullets he should be shooting into this list, though. DT should also be checking these, because I have given up trying to get a read from their posts.
I actually find your whole logic on the policy completely topsy turvy and it also doesn't agree with your conclusions.
Twelve, Katina and ET all have filters that are readable. They can be analyzed. We can analyze the cases made against them too. That gives us information to work with to unravel the rest of the team. Eventually we'll have to deal with the lurker team, but with, hopefully, some aid from vigis and DTs we won't have to lynch all six of them (we don't have time anyway).
Now onto scumhunting: ET and Katina are the only two who have changed since last we chatted. Katina is here and posting. She seems unconcerned about getting lynched, which is more townie than scum. Then again, I was just told in SSB that reactions are the easiest thing to fake for scum. Still on the fence.
ET has steadily been rising. The more I read his filter the more I see reasons for scum to post the way he does and the less it appears to be townie. His utter lack of defense against the cases raised against him, and his failure to do any scumhunting today despite the promise are making him look scummier every time I look at it.
But Twelve is a better lynch, imho. There are just too many contradictions and coincidences in his filter.
#ITEM No. 1
On July 04 2012 15:15 Twelve wrote:
I'm still thinking on this. I think casualman probably still our most likely scum lynch. I'll get back to you tomorrow morning on the info lynch.
I'm not feeling the casualman lynch as a scum lynch. I hate associative cases before we flip someone, but with Katina and Twelve both pushing casualman it just feels like the easy townie that is being thrown in front of the truck by the scumteam. I also don't buy his "most likely scum lynch": it's a coinflip. No. The most likely scumflip is Twelve.
#ITEM No. 2
On July 04 2012 10:13 Twelve wrote:@Acrofales + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 06:01 Acrofales wrote:Okay. I've read Twelve's filter and some of the points brought up about him. I now have a top 3 people I want to lynch. Twelve has some stuff that reads like scum. Compilation of the cases: Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:Mattchew's People that need to die and why list2. TwelveBlatant contradiction in his first posts. Says he is all for Band wagon hatred, then jumps on the 2 bandwagons forming at that time (Kurumi and BKexe) + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 10:45 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 14:17 Sinensis wrote:On June 23 2012 13:19 grush57 wrote:
If you're too lazy to post about policy lynching me, then you would be too lazy to do anything else so goodbye, you would be useless to town anyways. You try explaining to 30 people why they should hate someone they don't know yet. I'm all for band wagon hatred! explain away On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote:
My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. Follow this with his next 2 posts, the first with quite possibly the worst reasoning for a vote ever (read completely forced reasoning to try and continue a bandwagon), and then a post trying to be cutesy and buddying with the thread saying "don't take it personally" yuck. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? On July 01 2012 17:12 Twelve wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 16:07 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:
Votecount:
VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed? Not sure that ninja voting is against the rules, but just so we can stay friends: ##vote: BKXI made my case against you, not really trying to hide anything. The current "bandwagon" against you is merely logical, nothing personal ^^
I don't know why Mattchew is making connection cases based on not-yet-flipped people, but of the two I think Twelve is more likely to flip scum and I think this case sums up his D1 behaviour. Twelve's defense consists mainly of "it was a joke" and some discussion about what a bandwagon is, which seemed okay when I hadn't read his filter and only saw the case in a list of scum. Now I'm no longer convinced. + Show Spoiler [Twelve's defense] +On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote:@Mattchew haha where to start... My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much. I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D) As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar. Bugs suggested this about his apeshit behaviour at night: Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 07:04 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 03 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
NoSmurfHere - here's a clue. You're not established. even if I'm not established he'd just call me scum. To call me godfather is stretching unnecessarily. It could only mean he already knows my alignment. I don't really see a reason why a townie would call someone godfather. Scum pushing a townie, or scum distancing himself from an actual godfather are both better explanations. I seem to remember there being another case against Twelve which was the one that actually made him blip on my scumdar, but I cannot find it. Anyway, yeah. I'm still not completely sure about Vivax, Katina has gone awol again. Lets kill Twelve. ##unvote
##vote Twelve I am curious why you are quoting Mattchew to make your case against me. Mattchew never had a case against me, it never had any traction, He misread a post from before the game ever started and tried to point out my "contradictions". Ridiculousness. The reason I said what I said about NoSmurfHere was because I wanted to get my notes out to a detective in case I died. Maybe indicative of newbieness, but I didn't want to die and not be able to say anything else. Finally, would you mind revisiting your scumdar and finding an actual case against me? I'll gladly answer any further questions.
I had quoted Mattchew's case mainly for its second point, which was the HORRID reasoning around his BKE vote. The first point seemed adequately explained by s0lstice as Mattchew failing reading comprehension, but the reasoning around Twelve's vote was terrible and Mattchew called him out on it. However, that doesn't really matter. The problem is with the bolded part in the reply. This reads to me like a scum who had dodged a bullet. Unfortunately for Twelve, Mafia doesn't work like that and now Mattchew's read is gaining traction. He panicked and tried to wave it off. Yes, the first part of the case was crap, but the second point was valid, and still is. Dismissing half the post as bullshit doesn't make the other half bullshit too.
ITEM No. 3
His night behaviour. How the hell do you go from "he's scum" to "he's the godfather" without some kind of prior knowledge. I don't get it and no matter how many times Twelve tells me it was a "noobie mistake" I still won't get it.
In closing, Twelve is scum and should die for his sins.
##vote Twelve
for reinforcement, my vote is already in the right spot
2. His reasoning made sense: it actually was the EXACT same reason for why I backed off a Vivax lynch. I said that here:
+ Show Spoiler [doubt about Twelve] +On July 05 2012 05:19 Acrofales wrote:
On July 05 2012 04:43 Vivax wrote:
Cause Twelve suspected Bugs, who wasn't under pressure at the time, and rastaban. The guy who got killed by mafia.
I wouldn't understand the actions from a scum point of view.
There's a lot of talk about ET already. Take the way he tries to influence bandwagons without reads.
I have to say that I missed that bit from Twelve. Let me take another look, it could be a mistake, but you're right, there's something wonky there. In fact, it's the same reason why I started to think you weren't scum after all, lol.
I have to say that twelve's posts are harder to make sense of. It's not so much a case as a conspiracy theory. I'll have to think about it. On July 05 2012 05:50 Acrofales wrote:
Okay. Gone over the whole passage and it's a giant contradiction. I can't make sense of this. Just gonna post it in case someone else can make sense of the screwball logic that is happening here:
First relevant post, when Twelve goes all paranoid theory:
[spoiler]
On July 03 2012 06:43 Twelve wrote:I'm hesitant to post this,but I have a feeling I may be killed tonight, and a REALLY strong feeling NoSmurfHere WILL NOT be Mafia killed tonight. I made a list of people who jumped on the mKmKmK lynch as I felt it was just an attempt of mafia to get a townie lurker lynched. As I went through the list of names using their filters, I came to some tentative conclusions. My current read is that if there is a Ringleader in this game (godfather), it is NoSmurfHere. + Show Spoiler + NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 01 2012 10:25
Also your belief in "proof" probably suggests you shouldn't be playing mafia, given that most accurate reads are not based on anything anywhere close to proof. I feel he may be breadcrumbing for a detective role check. It was just a note next to his name when I Look at the interaction between NoSmurfHere and rastaban. After NoSmurfHere starts the bandwagon against mKmKmK(a lurker lynch I really didn't agree with), he seems very interested in a role claim from NoSmurfHere, perhaps trying to get a detective to waste a night and make a really dangerous "confirmed towny". + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 00:53 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:45 EchelonTee wrote:On June 30 2012 14:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, please stop discussing role PMs. The OP clearly states: Show nested quote +All flavour will appear exactly as it is here.[blue]This is true for all roles.
I don't want to discuss NoSmurfHere's wording of the claim; I'm focusing on the fact that he generically claimed Vanilla Townie, and mKmKmK reacting strangely at it ("vague post is vague") is an eye catcher.
Yeah let's not anger the host.
The other option is he is a blue acting strangely to it, but I am sure Mafia already thought of this if he isn't on their team so he is outed regardless of alignment. I think this is the easy and probably accurate lynch for today, so we should be thinking about pushing for a role claim from him.
I may be reaching, but again, I think I may wake up dead and wanted to get my thoughts out there.
Is he trying to link Bugs and Rastaban as scum members? He quotes Rastaban talking with EchelonTee about Bugs's VT roleclaim and says he's quoting an exchange between Rastaban and Bugs. At the time, I read this as him saying Rastaban or mK was a town DT who Bugs was trying to poke into checking him at night. I also didn't read Rastaban's post as him saying someone should check Bugs at night, but rather someone should check mK. So this whole thing confused me and all I got from that was "he says bugs is scum, but out-wifoms himself and says he's the godfather". That has two explanations: he's scum and knows bugs will look like town, or he's a townie out-wifoming himself who really thinks bugs is scumslipping his godfather role (as marvellosity seemed to think). What I didn't get from it was the theory of Bugs+Rastaban scumbuddies. The follow-up at daytime: + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 09:39 Twelve wrote:
Alright I'm going to try and clarify some things since apparently I didn't explain myself very coherently.
On the Foxtrotter swtich -
I had just got a scummy read on foxtrotter out of the thread. I checked the voting thread and saw that a large bandwagon had formed on him. When I went to find out why there was such a huge swing of votes towards him, I noticed that I had less then 1 hour to vote. Instead of figuring out exactly how much time I had I just "ninja" switched in both threads.
On saying "soooo, i guess i'll shut up :D " -
I had just posted a ridiculous conspiracy theory/rant against NoSmurfHere. I still think he is scum, but it was a bad way to present the information. Anyways, pretty much every single thing I wrote turned out to be false. NoSmurfHere cannot be ringleader because BM was the Ringleader. Rastaban cannot be NoSmurfHere's mafia partner because Rastaban turned up green. Once i knew the facts, I felt silly for posting my theory, and offered to shut up. So this could be the fantastic failing of a scumplan and him covering it up. Or it could be a townie explaining how his giant conspiracy theory just failed spectacularly. I think this needs to be sorted out before we lynch Twelve and I am kinda backing down from my case. The rest of his filter is still terrible, but I agree that this whole conspiracy theory into backpedalling is too fucking weird to see from a scum mindset from my point of view. [b]##unvote for now.
I don't think I was easily convinced either time. I spent a LOT of time poring over those filters and those two completely unprovoked cases against someone who scum was planning on shooting anyway make no sense at all and just makes them look scummy.Should I maybe not put so much stock in it? Maybe, but it's really skewing my reads in favour of them.
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