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On July 05 2012 10:51 Katina wrote:
It's because I actually have time now. Not because I'm scum and got scared into it. I didn't think ET and Twelve were Mafia to begin with. As I have said in my other posts I think they are town. There wasn't much I could do to stop Twelve or ET from being lynched. I have learned that once the town makes up there mind there is almost no way to convince them otherwise. I have defended Twelve, that was really all I could do. I didn't comment because I was forced to. I commented because my opinion was asked and I have nothing to hide so I gave it. Despite what other people think and whether they agree with me or not. I'm going to keep defending Twelve, and tomorrow either casualman or Mandolar should be lynched. I will also support a BKE lynch as I still think he is Mafia as well. If you remember from my pass games I do go after more than other person and change my target as the game progresses and I learn more.
So many people this game are just accusing others because they disagree or attacking their attackers. Most of the accusations aren't even related to any Mafia behavior. Derp, Derp! (I don't speak this language so I hope I didn't just call someone a nasty name, Sorry!) This whole game has basically been all based on Meta and not of what is actually going on but I'm sure we at least got two Mafia in casualman, Mandalor, and BKE if not all three.
Could you please explain your reasoning for suspecting the three of us? I would really like to know.
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Katina are you ignoring me for a reason?
Stop screaming names and give us reasons.
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Alright. I'll be gone for the night. Just some quick thoughts for now.
The voting was too fishy to be random town stupidity in my book. I suspect one or two of the guys switching to ET to be scum. Probably not the guy who started it, would be too obvious. Mafia just picked up on a townie changing votes and got the bandwagon rolling.
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On July 06 2012 22:50 ghost_403 wrote:
Another fun fact: Mandalor's filter is composed almost entirely of town reads, with the notable exception of BKE.
huh? what do you mean by town reads? People I view as town, people that turned out as town or people you think are town?
I suspected BKE, Katina, MattChew and Twelve to be scum. Might be missing someone.
Nothing has changed for Twelve in my eyes and I'll probably vote for him again.
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On July 06 2012 23:43 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 23:36 Mandalor wrote:On July 06 2012 22:50 ghost_403 wrote:
Another fun fact: Mandalor's filter is composed almost entirely of town reads, with the notable exception of BKE. huh? what do you mean by town reads? People I view as town, people that turned out as town or people you think are town? I suspected BKE, Katina, MattChew and Twelve to be scum. Might be missing someone. Nothing has changed for Twelve in my eyes and I'll probably vote for him again. Please please explain how I'm scum
I don't think you're scum anymore. I was suspecting you when you suspected wiggl3s who I had a newbie town read on and me. I thought you were trying to push the town for a mislynch.
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Alright, I'll be taking the train to my partents now. I will only be able to post from my mobile.
Not sure if I can go online before votecount ends so here it is. I'll stick to twelve. The voteswitch looked too weird.
##Vote: Twelve
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Three possibilities here:
1) Katina got framed. Unlikely. She's been suspecting, but never pushing hard:
casualman
BKE
Mandalor
Wouldn't it make more sense to frame a guy that's actively pushing? There's more people that suspected these three.
2) Hyaach is scum and is faking a roleclaim.
At lot more unlikely. He'd be dead next day, not worth it.
3) What Hyaach said is true. Katina is scum, BKE is town.
I think this is the most likely option.
##unvote
##Vote: Katina
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Also, and I say this from my perspective:
BKE would have to be ringleader for her list to be so good to frame her. I know I'm town so that would leave casualman as the only possible bad guy.
I know some of you have no reason to believe I'm town. But if you do, it would make no sense to frame her.
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You haven't been pushing hard.
You never voted for me. And you never made a strong case or asked other people to vote for your suspects.
You're misunderstanding why I think it makes no sense to frame you. As a DT, I would check guys like casualman, grush, kurumi. Or some of the very constructive guys pushing hard. You fit neither role. That coupled with the fact that I know at least one of your suspects is green, leads me to believe that your list at least isn't THAT good to sacrifice a mafia player for it to look void.
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All of the people you suspected were on people's radar before. BKE was our first guy to be suspected. You didn't lead the investigation, you picked up on it. Granted, I'm in the same boat with you there.
I was suspected by a lot of players before. You, again, were very late here.
Casualman is like a safe bet. He's a troll. It's impossible to read him so he could be either mafia or town. The fact that you're a vet makes me question your read on him the most.
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Actually, forget about the list being good or bad. After thinking about it, I really don't think that's a good criterion to pick whether to frame you or not.
My other posts still stand tho.
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On July 09 2012 03:42 Vivax wrote:
I discarded the options for a mafia Kurumi and Acro.
Uhm, wanna tell us why?
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On July 10 2012 02:38 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 17:23 Mandalor wrote:
For the next day I would like town to vote on another guy from mattchew's list. Could be me, casualman, Twelve, Bill Murray or drwiggl3s.
Tbh, drwiggl3s and myself would probably be the best options. There's different people defending both of us so we can get reads on these no matter if the lynched guy flips red or green. Hopefully not blue lol.
I think mattchew's analysis is hilariously bad. I just don't know if he's doing that on purpose or not. The way the game is played right now, town puts a lot of faith in him and ET so we should try to find out early if mattchew's and ET's analysis is any good in this game. @Mandalor: To what degree was this post sarcastic?
I wanted to see if someone bites. Noone did except Wiggl3s :/
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On July 10 2012 22:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 17:25 Mandalor wrote:On July 10 2012 02:38 BroodKingEXE wrote:On July 02 2012 17:23 Mandalor wrote:
For the next day I would like town to vote on another guy from mattchew's list. Could be me, casualman, Twelve, Bill Murray or drwiggl3s.
Tbh, drwiggl3s and myself would probably be the best options. There's different people defending both of us so we can get reads on these no matter if the lynched guy flips red or green. Hopefully not blue lol.
I think mattchew's analysis is hilariously bad. I just don't know if he's doing that on purpose or not. The way the game is played right now, town puts a lot of faith in him and ET so we should try to find out early if mattchew's and ET's analysis is any good in this game. @Mandalor: To what degree was this post sarcastic? I wanted to see if someone bites. Noone did except Wiggl3s :/ Okay, I'll bite now. What were you trying to achieve with that post? You say you were trying to get people to "bite", but it is full of contradictions, nonsense and martyring. What was the follow-up you planned if someone "bit"? Your response to wiggl3s is to say that Mattchew is just plain bad and you say you want to try to stop town from sheeping Mattchew. However, my understanding of the Foxtrotter lynch was that it was led by Marvelosity, not Mattchew. All Mattchew did was make a list and add Foxtrotter to it. Mattchew only really gained any traction later. So why were you so scared of Mattchew? + Show Spoiler [wiggl3s' and Mandalor's co…] +On July 02 2012 17:41 drwiggl3s wrote:
Also (sorry for some spam here) @ Mandalor. You say we should lynch someone listed in Mattchew's analysis. Yet in the same post you say his analysis is "hilariously bad". I propose that his list is all town.
See how it excludes BKexe for example? On July 02 2012 17:53 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 17:41 drwiggl3s wrote:
Also (sorry for some spam here) @ Mandalor. You say we should lynch someone listed in Mattchew's analysis. Yet in the same post you say his analysis is "hilariously bad". I propose that his list is all town.
See how it excludes BKexe for example? I agree. However, he's orchestrating town's play right now. He gave literally no reason for the Foxtrotter lynch, yet 9 people jump on the boat and the guy is lynched. I don't think the voters are all mafia. I'd be surprised if there's more than two mafia voting for foxtrotter. Sooo, obviously he holds a lot of weight. I guess he played well in the last mafia games. Best possible scenario is town ignores what he says and we actually kill a red. But I don't think that's going to happen. Both of us just don't hold a lot of weight. You're either a smurf or this really is your first game. And the last mafia game I played is so long ago, I don't think I've played with anyone in this before.
To me it looked like town was sheeping mattchew at that point and I disagreed largely with his list (turns out I was right). I wanted to see if someone would try to get in on my idea and start the bandwagoning. I felt rather safe at that point so if anyone did that, he'd be a decent suspect. Didn't happen tho.
On July 11 2012 02:13 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Mandalor: What Im not getting is if this is a baiting post why does th rest of your posts on Matchew relflect a wishy-washiness? I'm not understanding what made you want to lynch him one minute and call him townie the next.
His reads were crap. That's what made me suspicious of him especially since he's a vet. So basically very similar behaviour to Katina. The only mafia player he had on his list was BM and he just jokingly added him "because he's BM".
His actions didn't align with mafia behavior for me tho.
I never had a definite read on him and I never said I did. I just had a tendency.
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I don't like the grush/casualman options tbh. We can not afford to have another mislynch and I feel like they're coinflippy options at best. I think there should be a rule against their posting if they're town really. They're annoying, don't help and play into mafia's hands even if they're innocent.
Maju's behavior on the other hand is odd and our best option imo.
@Anyone suspecting me to be scum: Please take a look at my actions. It's common for people that are suspected early to look scummy for the rest of the game, but I feel like my actions speak a pretty clear language.
People I suspected or defended:
[color=red]BKE[/color]: It was an early vote. He seemed to be town's best option, but I didn't have a good read on anyone up to that point. I lean towards town now, but I'm absolutely not sure about him.
[color=red]Matt[/color][color=green]chew[/color]: I thought of him as scum early because of his odd reads. The more he posted, the less convinced I was. Towards the end of his life, I was rather sure he was town and I openly said that.
[color=green]drwiggl3s[/color]: I was absolutely sure he was town and I defended him early when town was after him.
[color=red]Katina[/color]: I thought she was rather easy to read. Pretty obviously scum and I said that early.
[color=red]Twelve[/color]: I was wrong with my suspicion of Twelve, but so was every townie. Tbh I wasn't too sure of him before the sudden voteswitch to Foxtrotter, but that reaffirmed my suspicion.
I hope I'm not missing someone.
Please note how the only affirmed eventual town player I voted for was Twelve. Yeah I could be scum actively helping town to not raise suspicion on me, but when you're suspected that early, imo it's the better option as scum to lay low and not try to openly express your thoughts on so many people.
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woops should've used the preview. apparently ubb code doesn't work like that with colours. Here's the post with adjusted code:
I don't like the grush/casualman options tbh. We can not afford to have another mislynch and I feel like they're coinflippy options at best. I think there should be a rule against their posting if they're town really. They're annoying, don't help and play into mafia's hands even if they're innocent.
Maju's behavior on the other hand is odd and our best option imo.
@Anyone suspecting me to be scum: Please take a look at my actions. It's common for people that are suspected early to look scummy for the rest of the game, but I feel like my actions speak a pretty clear language.
People I suspected or defended:
[color=red]BKE[/color]: It was an early vote. He seemed to be town's best option, but I didn't have a good read on anyone up to that point. I lean towards town now, but I'm absolutely not sure about him.
Mattchew: I thought of him as scum early because of his odd reads. The more he posted, the less convinced I was. Towards the end of his life, I was rather sure he was town and I openly said that.
drwiggl3s: I was absolutely sure he was town and I defended him early when town was after him.
Katina: I thought she was rather easy to read. Pretty obviously scum and I said that early.
Twelve: I was wrong with my suspicion of Twelve, but so was every townie. Tbh I wasn't too sure of him before the sudden voteswitch to Foxtrotter, but that reaffirmed my suspicion.
I hope I'm not missing someone.
Please note how the only affirmed eventual town player I voted for was Twelve. Yeah I could be scum actively helping town to not raise suspicion on me, but when you're suspected that early, imo it's the better option as scum to lay low and not try to openly express your thoughts on so many people.
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On July 12 2012 23:46 ShiaoPi wrote:
Mandalor (that last post was baaad)
huh? care to tell me why?
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ahh I read that. Just slipped my mind.
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Placed my vote on maju. I'm gonna have to keep a spreadsheet so I stop embarassing myself.
##Vote: MajuGarzett
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