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On July 07 2012 11:12 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 11:11 Katina wrote:On July 07 2012 11:01 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 07 2012 10:57 Katina wrote:On July 07 2012 10:52 Hyaach wrote:
u defend bm day one. added post after mkmk lyncht make it seem like you care. add on cases where the ebtire towns are divides in half. bke is my green check too. makes me suspect u even nore. cman is a troll and i dont know what to make of mandanlor and myself? lol. I do care.. The town is just about always half divided. BKE is green on your supposed "check" So trolls can't be Mafia? I find it interesting that you would let a troll live over someone who is posting their reads and trying to help the town find Mafia. You don't know what to make of yourself? Interesting. I would imagine you would have some idea by now. You never answered why you completely ignore grush the troll but not casualman the troll. What separates the trolls? What seperates them is that grush has posts where he actually says something. While casualman goes in active for almost the whole game and pops in to insult people or say "let's lynch this guy!!" I admit I have overlooked grush and a few other people this game. There have been others I can get an actual read on and casualman is just too bad and getting ignored too much to be true. Really? Which posts? So casualman is scum because he's bad? Since when has this been a criterion for lynching scum?
Since when has stepping up activity and giving out reads been one?
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I'm sure if you were in my position with the reads I have you would be questioning everything too.
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On July 07 2012 11:31 NoSmurfHere wrote:EBWODP Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 11:25 Katina wrote:On July 07 2012 11:11 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 07 2012 11:08 Katina wrote:On July 07 2012 10:52 NoSmurfHere wrote:
So katina, is Hyaach lying, or were you framed, or both?
Your story is kinda weird. If you were framed it doesn't necessarily mean Hyaach is lying. So if you claim to be framed why is your instant conclusion that Hyaach is a liar?
I don't see the town motivation behind immediately claiming Hyaach is a liar without looking at the facts first. I had to actually go back to the OP and see if there were millers (there aren't) and to see how framers worked. (which Wiggles just clarified)
So instead of looking over the facts, your instant conclusion is that Hyaach is lying. You say he has to be lying, without even considering for a moment the motivation behind the claim. What motivation would a scum Hyaach have to single YOU out, of all players? The only plausible explanation for that is you believe all three of BKE, Twelve, and Hyaach to be scum...which honestly, I find to be absurd, and you haven't pushed this notion anyway. Are you of that opinion?
Thinking about it rationally, the only reason a scum would fakeclaim DT in this position is to save both BKE and Twelve, but then they would draw so much attention to themselves when their target flipped town that it would be simpler to paint one of BKE/Twelve as town and bus the hell out of the other. In fact it would be far more effective, even.
Then the second part of your little tirade kicks in. If you got framed, why is it necessitated that Hyaach is lying? If you're of the opinion that you got framed then you should believe Hyaach's claim.
Instead it seems like you've just started panicking and now all you can do is sling mud at the situation to try and make it go away. I don't know if I was framed or if Hyaach is lying. I have been looking over the facts this whole game. His motivation would be to go for someone in the spot light. With you on my back this whole game you gave him a nice target. As I have said numerous times I think BKE is Mafia and I'm not sure what to make of Hyaach anymore. Twelve I have a town read on. First reaction I had when I saw that red check was he had to be lying because I'm town. Then I read to see what roles could be in the game and noticed the Mafia could have a framer but since I think BKE is Mafia and apparently had a green check then it makes it hard for me to figure out which option it could be. If I had a town read on BKE this game then I would be more inclined to believe Hyaach's claim and conclude that I was framed. Again as I said Mafia don't play by one particular style that would make the games too easy. It depends on the Mafia team as well some could have jubjubs who do odd things while others have experienced players who do odd things. I'm not slinging mud and trying to make it go away. I'm trying to defend myself from being mislynched this game. I'm not the target you should be trying to get lynched. So with one vote on you and me backed off (because there was literally no chance I would get you lynched today) you consider yourself "in the spotlight?" In addition, if his motivation is to go after a townie in the spotlight (as scum) what happens when you flip town? He dies, right? What kind of shitty motivation for scum is that? He trades you, who have so far been pretty irrelevant in the matters for town, for himself. That's essentially like town losing four players all at once (when comparing team sizes) Why do you have a town read on Twelve? What makes him town? What makes BKE scum? If you're actually looking at the facts, why is it that you still haven't figured out which stance you want to take? People have put me up for a lynch candidate for most of the game. Just recently did everyone begin to back off and this red check comes up. Then when I flip town Hyaach can claim I was framed and use that as his scapegoat while protecting BKE. The lynch on Twelve got switched last minute I wouldn't put it past the town to do it again. Twelve has been here and contributing, he has defended himself to the last minute and still continues to post after escaping a lynch. Where if he were scum I would imagine he would go off into lala land like BKE does. BKE disappears and comes back when people start getting suspicious of him and put him up for lynch or he makes small comments on other people's post to make it look like hes contributing when in reality he isn't. He makes bad defenses and basically sheeps along with what all the other people are doing and pushing me on the side. I haven't figured out which stance to take because I think BKE is Mafia and I have been suspicious of Hyaach. If it turns out that Hyaach is telling the truth and I was framed then I will get down on my hands and knees and wash your feet in the most holiest of water. So...basically exactly what you've been doing all game? e: Good for you Maju, caught my point without me explicitly having to yell it aloud.
I have been trying to find the Mafia, that's what I have been doing. I know that I didn't have the highest activity when the game first started that's because I was busy and my birthday came. I have been giving my reads and opinions. I haven't been afraid to post or defend myself from whoever had something to say about me. This is a whole new situation for me. I wasn't the most level headed when I first saw that Hyaach got a red check on me I will admit to that. Which resulted in contradicting myself as I started to recover from the shock of a red check. I'm tired of always getting mislynched in these games. I always end up spot on and jubjubs decide to lynch me just because I'm a little inactive.
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It's what he seems to be doing best right now. Nitpicking at posts and reading into things that aren't there.
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Guys let's take this into consideration that I'm actually here trying to defend myself from this claim. I'm doing everything I can to prove that I was framed or that Hyaach is lying. I have a reputation for getting mislynched in games. If there's a framer than I'm a perfect target. All they have to do is frame me and when I'm checked I show red. Then the town lynches me and I flip green. Then there's another mislynched Katina game under my belt.
After going back and looking over Hyaach's filter I'm inclined to believe his check green check on BKE. He has hinted at his role and BKE's innocence since D2 started. In his filter he tells Acro this:
On July 06 2012 23:03 Hyaach wrote:
Acro, put it in katina. believe me.
If I'm going the time right in my head then he had to get that red check back on me. His wording says it all. When I first looked over that post I found it odd but I looked over it and wrote it off as a strong Mafia read on me. When he claimed i finally took notice of it.
So I had to have been framed by the Mafia. That's the only option that make sense in my head now that I have had time to go over everything.
Excuse me while I go get the holy water, I have some feet to wash. Will a french maid outfit do? Or should I get something like street orphan?
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VE!!! Are you my knight in shining armor?
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On July 07 2012 12:20 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I have a homework deadline at midnight (it's 8:15 here right now) but as soon as I'm done and back I'm going to consolidate my thoughts on Katina and Twelve.
If we don't lynch Katina we lynch Twelve. The only reason we wouldn't lynch Katina is if we think she might've been framed. However, this DT claim is almost certainly legitimate and I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't screw ourselves out of a correct (IMO) lynch by wondering whether she was framed or not. Assuming the claim is legitimate then both BKE and Hyaach are definitely town (2 godfathers in the game would be pretty unprecedented, bastard almost) and as of now I see no reason to doubt the claim.
Better to be safe than sorry though especially dealing with a game that has a framer. I was framed, I know I'm innocent. You have been in plenty of games with me, you know how often people like to mislynch me for one reason or another even though I could be 100% correct. This time I was framed.
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I remember that but I'm not Mafia this time around. I have been trying my best to prove that I'm town and I have been trying to step up my activity to help my efforts this game.
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First impression I thought he was lying. As I have said I had a scumread on BKE and was suspicous of Hyaach. Then after going back over Hyaach's filter I can see how his DT claim could be legit. So it would make sense that I was framed.
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I'm not sure anymore. I have to go back and look through everything. My read on Mandalor, is still on Mafia. I'm still suspicious of Maju. Again, I will need to go back with this new information and take another look at the players.
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I didn't believed what Hyaach was saying about BKE until he claimed today then after reading over Hyaach's filter has caused me to greatly reconsider BKE. What Hyaach says in BKE's defense matches with a green DT check. If Hyaach is a DT then that means that BKE has to be town and I was framed. Yes my read was strong but again that was before today. It caused this great shift because I turned up a red check when I'm town and it made me look at Hyaach and BKE with this information. After looking it over it doesn't seem likely that they are both Mafia. If Hyaach was lying then I would imagine that the real DT would come forward or at least someone would start pushing heavly for Hyaach. So unless that happens then that only leaves the legit DT and me begin framed.
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@ VE: I was suspicious of them before Hyaach made his DT claim. After he claimed it caused me to go and take another look with the new information of a DT claim.
@Maju: He hints at his check without revealing too much information or claim what his check turned up on BKE. If he would have claimed then the Mafia would have for sure killed him. A lot of people were going for BKE so it makes sense to check the person that everyone is going after. Such as BKE and me.
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It doesn't have to be big enough to slap you in the face. You got to keep your eye open for the little things sometimes and piece the information together with what you know and your own knowledge.
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BKE was drawing enough attention D1 with VE's FOS and than I started going after him. Everyone is under suspicion D1, it was the beginning of a new game. Hyaach couldn't post much in defense without either revealing himself or falling under heavy suspicion.
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I don't know why you are under the impression that a DT has to make their checks in the thread filled with fireworks and sprinklers. That wasn't the only post that Hyaach has made implying that he had a DT check.
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It wasn't the only time he used his check in his choice of who to lynch is what I'm trying to say. Since he used his check to defend him once before his claim and after and trying to persuade Acro to vote for makes sense with a legit DT claim.
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I have been pushing people. One of them being you. I have been hard pushing BKE in the begining then you and casualman. In a game that has a fair few amount of new players it would make sense to DT check one of the more experienced players that has been pushed in the spotlight. I like how you completely cancel out the possibilty that I got framed when it's exactly what happened.
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Your logic makes no sense Maju. It has nothing to do with being right or wrong to check someone.
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