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On June 30 2012 14:23 casualman wrote: I love to bandwagon. Being a newb, I can read nothing from these posts and will blindly trust in authority figures. Woohoo! ##Vote BroodKingEXE On June 30 2012 18:06 drwiggl3s wrote: ##Vote BroodKingEXE As Mattchew put it so succinctly: what the hell is this? | ||
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On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote: I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies. On June 30 2012 10:30 BroodKingEXE wrote: Saying that this is your 5th time in a row being town-aligned has the undercurrent of convincing us you are town in this game, and you dodge posting responsibility by it being a Friday. This is a scummy post to start out with. The way this reads to me: "I am BKEXE, champion of the newbies! I will defend your cause, even if you play badly". You rightfully got called out on it: newbies should be expected to play to win just the same as veterans should. That they have questionable logic is sometimes true, but that doesn't make them scummier or townier than others, it just makes them wrong. Point out why they're wrong and move on. Being wrong doesn't make you scum (per sé): it's distinguishing whether someone is wrong because he's new to scumhunting, or wrong because he's scum twisting townies to look like scum that is the tell. However, that aside, you want to champion the newbie cause. 3 posts later you are ready to nail the first newbie who posts in the thread to the cross. Next thing up, casualman posts his retarded bandwagon sheep crap. He also claims he's a noob. So in response you OMGUS vote him. This just does not sit well. One of the things that was hammered on in the post-game analysis of liar game (didn't play myself, just read it) was pointing out how ET started the game with a promise, but never followed up on it. This is feeling rather similar. ##FoS BKExe | ||
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On June 30 2012 18:47 Bill Murray wrote: your selfvote does not fool me VE VE + Acrofales scumteam calling it now Lol. Nice OMGUS. So let me follow your thought process. 1. VE is scum because he voted for himself, which only scum would do to look townie. 2. I call the reason dumb (which I guess could conceivably be seen as a defense of VE, but was more an attack on you. I am still pretty null on VE). 3. Instead of backing up your reason for voting VE with some actual evidence, you OMGUS and conclude that VE and I must be scum together. Do I really need to point out the multiple logic fails in here? | ||
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On June 30 2012 19:23 Kurumi wrote: Ouch. My back is killing me. I would like my fellow friends to stop bickering. We have a job to do. I do not comprehend why our associate is such a sloth. He should be interrogated quickly. Who is the Ringleader? What is the purpose of the dyes? Why are you wearing those goggles? I know asking Kurumi to make sense is always utterly pointless, but could you please be less obtuse than this... @ghost: why wasn't Kurumi on your policy lynch list? If anybody is generally impossible to read, it's this guy. | ||
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As for BKE: I have a bad feeling either way about him. I'm not sure about the easy bandwagon forming on him. On the other hand, I feel the accusations have merit. I want him to answer the cases before I consider him as a serious alternative to BM. | ||
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On June 30 2012 22:33 Hyaach wrote: its not lurk ville 300. i just have no idea how to play day 1s. So your solution is to do nothing? I suggest you tell us your thoughts on BM/BKE/Kurumi and take it from there. Plenty to discuss already. The problem I have with people saying "D1 sucks" or "I have no idea how to play D1" is that this just leads into having nothing to say D1, then having a D2 in which scum has shot some people who did contribute D1 and the non-contributors of D1 are left without anything to say D2 either. This continues until scum wins the game. The whole point of D1 is to start posting and getting a feel for one another. If half of town lurks, then scum can lurk too and enjoy trying to find the few scum hiding in the giant pile of inactive town. Far better to have people posting and actively scumhunting. My own opinion on Kurumi: we should just policy lynch people who post an unintelligible jumble of words regardless of alignment until they stop doing it. Kurumi is one of those guys who I cannot get a read on regardless of what he is (bluelightz is another). Not a bad D1 lynch if we lack alternatives. I prefer BM, though. | ||
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On June 30 2012 23:30 Vivax wrote: I trust BillMurray in his case against VisceraEyes and acrofales. Why? I looked through VE's filter and didn't like it, then saw acrofales jumping in with this to try and defend him: VE can defend himself, but how about you actually say what you didn't like about his filter. At the time I jumped in I got a pretty null read on VE (I have found VE pretty hard to read in any case). Since then I think he actually looks townier, but not going to bet my life on that read. That self-vote stunt wasn't shitty evidence. It was probably planned in egocentrical way by a scum player. I can understand if someone placed his vote on somebody else for no apparent reason, since that will immediately force someone to defend himself (or he can try and make it look like he's lurking). I don't see how a self-vote would create a good atmoshpere for town. It might all be for shits and giggles pre-game, but ingame it just might be an exaggerated attempt to act like an overconfident townie and just causes confusion. I don't really see how a self-vote at the start of D1 creates a bad atmosphere for town either. It's null. How do you figure this for a scum tell? Trumping it up to build a case out of it, however, could be a way to test the bandwagon waters on him. My initial case on BM was not all that strong, I admit, but I didn't like the move and called him out on it with an early vote. I liked his response to my pressure even less. Also, Acrofales, I find you to be scummy by finding a reason to jump out of cover and defend someone, but finding no reason to make own cases and post reads. I didn't jump out of cover, I woke up... even hyperactive crazy people like myself need to sleep every now and then. As for my lack of reads, did you even look at my filter? I feel I am being quite seriously misrepresented here... It helps me imagine the option of you trying to cover the scumbuddy who has the role of acting as an overzealous townie. And when I say overzealous, I don't speak about the value of his posts, but of the sheer amount. ____ I didn't like BKE's post until I saw him mentioning the the lynched guy he used to justify his policy lynch discussion about being careful with newbs, that's enough for me as proof that his policy talk was in town's interest and not just some attempt to start a never ending policy discussion. I still cannot be sure of him being townie on the long term, but for now it's enough. If you asked me who I would vote for right now, then it would be either VE or acrofales. Problem with BKE isn't his policy suggestion, which he justified. I disagree with it, but that's neither here nor there. The problem with BKE is that he has completely ignored his own suggestion twice since then. Now I am not a big fan of casualman either, but if BKE wants to give noobs the benefit of the doubt, why is he flipping out and returning the vote immediately: not asking for clarification, but just saying "something as dumb as that can only be scum". Which is exactly what gets noobs lynched in the first place. BKE should know, he got himself lynched with a rather similar move in the noobie game we played (VIII or IX, can never remember numbers). Btw, I disagree on the reasoning. Something as dumb as casualman (and later drwiggles) have done is a dumbtell, not a scumtell. I am not sure what to make of it, which is why I have a bad feeling about the BKE bandwagon either way and am waiting for BKE, casualman and drwiggles to explain themselves. | ||
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Quote from the OP: Sword Swallower/Fire Breather/Contortionist/Freak/Juggler/Acrobat (Vanilla Townie): You are a Role Name! You're one of the many performers at the circus, but unfortunately you possess no extra powers besides your charms, you brain, and your vote. And then: On June 30 2012 14:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Warning to casualman for editing. Next person to edit a post will be modkilled. Also, please stop discussing role PMs. The OP clearly states: This is true for all roles. The fact that you want people to rehash information for you points to me to someone deliberately filling the thread with repetition and nonsense, which discourages people from reading it, which decreases their chance of finding scum. I am not going to repeat the multiple cases on BKE scattered throughout the thread. You can read the damned thread yourself, and click on BKE's filter (it is all of 1 page long) and find the offending posts in about 10 seconds flat. Your unwillingness to do so points to lazy town or noob scum. Your obstinateness is making me lean towards the latter. | ||
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On July 01 2012 00:48 Vivax wrote: My above last post directed at ShiaoPi's post. I would also advise town to wonder why acrofales made his first case against the guy suspecting the person he defended just before. My first case was on BM My second case was on BKE My third case is on you How hard is it to click on my filter and actually read it instead of posting drivel?! | ||
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Reading the thread and reading everybody's past games are two completely different things and you can expect the former, but not the latter from people in this game. @ET: s0lstice's post satisfies me with regards to his earlier promise to give his reads during the day. You agree? @VE: I'm onboard with lynching BM! Lets do it. I have my vote there already. @BKE: I am not very convinced by your defense. Scum make bad posts that they didn't expect would draw attention to them all the time. A post discussing policy is exactly the kind of harmless post scums make D1 all the time. You just got called out on it. I'm also unsure what you're saying about BM (and why you're quoting s0lstice's post in there... he says nothing about BM). Mind elaborating? | ||
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On July 01 2012 03:10 grush57 wrote: Hihi! Hi! Who do you want to lynch today? | ||
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On July 01 2012 03:45 EchelonTee wrote: Bke is a classic d1 lynch; hard to clearly read, an active poster with strange accusations and minor breaches in logic that show only slight scumminess, but a lot of people jump on anyways. his opening post was strange, but it's not nearly as conclusive as other opening scum posts have been in the past (zealos, macpo). I find his posting scummish, but not conclusive enough for a d1 lynch, and very low on info to boot. BM would be informative, mK would be accurate. Putting on my vote for mK. Hi adam. I'm not sure you're right about BKE. I prefer a BM lynch over BKE. I also liked your case on mK. In my experience the kenpachi rule is fairly accurate (seen it used once and it nailed scum). Other than that I'm not sure there's anything to recommend an mK lynch: he's basically a lurker. | ||
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Rearranging that post got it a bit mangled | ||
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On July 01 2012 05:24 s0Lstice wrote: Acrofales- No I don't expect you to read past games for 29 people. Wha? Seems to me that this is exactly the situation you'd use meta for. If you don't know the player, the more information you can get, the better off you are. I use meta differently (only talking about people whose playstyle I am unfamiliar with here): if I find something typical that could be a scum tell, but is townie for some people, I try to look at older games and figure out playstyle. The problem is that it takes a lot of effort and time to read other people's finished games and get a good read. What is generally easier to use meta for and far less prone to error is to meta people who you DO know. You have expectations from their town and scum play. This game has a few people I have experience playing with. For instance, I consider myself a decent judge of Mattchew if he ever starts playing the game (based on 3 or 4 games now that we've played together). You think Vivax is scummy here: There have been a handful of people you have been suspicious of. Vivax' meta is particularly easy to look up because he is new. You can get a good idea of how he plays with not a lot of time spent. Is meta just not your thing? It seems weird to me that you would so willingly pass up an opportunity to add clarity to your read. It feels like you are being aggressive just for the sake of looking aggressive. As I clarified above. Additionally, I actually did look up Vivax's games this afternoon, and saw that he had played 3 newbie games, of which1 was scum and 2 town (third I didn't look at). However, a quick glance was not enough to tell me much about his playstyle either way. I saw he got lynched early on as town in both his scum games, which tells me he is probably not very good at looking townie at least. Your defense of him seems to be indicating that I missed something in that glance. What makes Vivax's play townie? | ||
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Catching up on the thread now. | ||
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On July 01 2012 08:25 Bill Murray wrote: Acrofales FoS on BKX is fishy as fuck if BKX flips scum, will you all listen to me on acrofales? It's a JEEP tell for a FoS with a vote on someone else Acrofales did that, lets test BKX ##Unvote ##Vote: BKX He thinks I am scum (lets not forget the marvel of a case he made on me), but we should lynch BKE instead! Because I FoS'd BKE without voting for him, which is a clear sign of that if BKE is scum, then Acro is scum. I'm all for lynching BKE, he looks scummy. However, my vote only goes so far and BM looks like a better candidate: he is using a terrible excuse to hop on a bandwagon. He's not saying why BKE is scum. In fact, his reason for thinking BKE is scum is that I (scum in BM's eyes) FoS'd him (something scum clearly do). I know BM always uses bad reasoning, but this time I think it's scummy bad reasoning. Lets lynch him Regarding Katina. I feel Katina is a bit like Mattchew this game. Both are rather good players and neither have put any effort at all into playing. Both of them should be clearer reads when they start posting. Atm I'm null on Katina: she reads like someone who has put no effort at all into reading the thread, sheeped VE and went afk again. This could be scum, but could also be a lazy/busy townie who is putting no effort into the game and sheeps a veteran. Seems like a bad lynch candidate atm. mK is basically a lurker lynch with the addition of Kenpachi rule. Seems decent to me. In my opinion the lynch should be between mK, BKE or BM. There are other blips on my scumdar, but these three are topping the scumometer. Out of these three, BM is the scummiest, but if votes are needed for consolidation, either of the other 2 work for me. Other comments: @adam: I don't see what is scummy about that post by mandalor. I read it as being a lurker lynch policy unless we find someone who acts scummy (that was his point b) imho). The wording he uses is strange, but "someone doing scummy stuff at the start of D1" is generally a pretty decent way of finding scum. Ask Maju how well it works @kurumi: I am really tired of you trolling every game you play in. Yes, I could decipher your first two posts, but it took 3 times as long as it should've and putting that much effort into understanding one player is just not worth it. I still don't have a clue what the fuck you mean with bears in eastern russia. | ||
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On July 02 2012 00:22 VisceraEyes wrote: I prefer a BM lynch to BXE at this point. BXE I can believe is acting this way as town. BM I'm not so sure. ##Unvote: BXE ##Vote: BillMurray Skidoosh. Let's get it done. Glad to see you're putting your money where your mouth is. Lets lynch BM! | ||
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Here's some pointers: I am town. BM is scum. Look at our filters, then go vote. | ||
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