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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I think with a little more experience we would have played the game out differently, but take a look at Newbie XIII for the opposite. We had less modkills, but 2/3 the scum team lurking for huge chunks of time, leaving town to point fingers at ourselves until endgame. I'm not looking to push lurkers early and stay on them for an entire day cycle, killing discussion, but they need to be considered and I'd rather be looking at them on earlier days than when we're close to/at LYLO/MYLO. | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
I'm so glad to start another game in TL. Let the scumhunting begin! Sciberbia: Well, in my case, I don't know anyone of you, so I don't any background of your play. Anyways, it' just a matter of time that me and the rest of the -5 who were not on NMMXV- can see your play style. I'll take a look to that game if I have the time to get and idea. I won't accept a NO LYNCH unless I believe we may have a serious mislynch coming. I have this nice feeling that we won't have any inactives/lurkers this game. I think this is the best scenario to push a successful lynch on D1, which even though it's hard, it's possible with everyone's focus and analysis. Don't be afraid to accuse anyone. If you take too much time to turn your scum-o-meter on, specially close to MYLO, it will be very hard to the rest to listen to your thoughts. | ||
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
On June 13 2012 09:25 austinmcc wrote: -snip I'm not looking to push lurkers early and stay on them for an entire day cycle, killing discussion, but they need to be considered and I'd rather be looking at them on earlier days than when we're close to/at LYLO/MYLO. agreed. NL is bad. Killing lurking is necessary. Lynching scum is great.  Lets get the ball rolling and squeeze out the lurkers early so we can narrow things down later on. Looking forward to scumhunting, i'm happy with the deadline on this as its 10am for me in Aust, which means i'll be able to meet the deadlines for lynching in the mornings a little easier. I'll try my hardest this game to meet these deadlines and to contribute useful information rather than filler. Essentially i'm all for an agressive early game. I want to be able to establish some basic reads by the end of Day one, and if theres no-one who's appropriately scummy then we lynch a lurker. Golden | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
Sciberbia, I agree with just about everything you said. One thing I'd add is for the cop to be smart about declaring a successful scum check. Be mindful of what other roles are still in the game, and weigh the sudden danger you put yourself in vs. the value of declaring your check. Also, all blues should consider breadcrumbing. It could come in handy. I encourage everyone to check my other games to help you verify my towniness as the game moves forward. I screw up reads just as often as the next guy, but I am pretty active when it comes to case-building and defending people I believe to be town. | ||
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roflwaffles55
Canada59 Posts
Glad I got towned up for my first game, I'm hoping to be able to contribute to the analysis and casebuilding, as well as make some good reads of my own! I'll read up on the previous game that the 6 of you were a part of to see if I can't make some good calls when it comes time to vote. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
On June 13 2012 09:39 trackd00r wrote: Hello there! I'm so glad to start another game in TL. Let the scumhunting begin! Sciberbia: Well, in my case, I don't know anyone of you, so I don't any background of your play. Anyways, it' just a matter of time that me and the rest of the -5 who were not on NMMXV- can see your play style. I'll take a look to that game if I have the time to get and idea. I won't accept a NO LYNCH unless I believe we may have a serious mislynch coming. I have this nice feeling that we won't have any inactives/lurkers this game. I think this is the best scenario to push a successful lynch on D1, which even though it's hard, it's possible with everyone's focus and analysis. Don't be afraid to accuse anyone. If you take too much time to turn your scum-o-meter on, specially close to MYLO, it will be very hard to the rest to listen to your thoughts. You would take it upon yourself to stop a lynch if it is against your read? | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
In NMM XV we actually had a decent discussion about no-lynches (involving me making a fool of myself) and how they can actually be beneficial in certain setups. That being said, we don't know for certain if we'll have any modkills so we should leave no-lynches off the table until we hit the unlikely scenario that a no-lynch is beneficial for the town. Town, the best way to contribute is just to get posting. Let everyone know what your thoughts are. Did someone post something suspicious? Let us know about it. Do you think the town is making a bad move? Let us know about it. If a townie lurks he/she is letting down his/her entire team. So don't do it, K? I'm sooooooooper serious. Like sooooper, soooooooooooper serious. Hey sciberbia, remember this ##Vote: sciberbia ...heh heh heh | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
On June 13 2012 10:16 s0Lstice wrote: You would take it upon yourself to stop a lynch if it is against your read? If I understood correctly, it doesn't mean that I would stop any lynch that I didn't mention on my analysis. Just because I have a candidate for lynch, it doesn't imply that I discard any other possibility. It's something related to common sense. If any other cases are convincing enough, I'll throw my vote there in the case I can't get a majority. In the other hand, if we end up like RNG lynching (which is a bad idea), any other poster that could be doing silly mistakes, or even a player practically saying ''hey guys, I'm mafia, lynch me'' that's when it goes against my mindset. Any possibility is valuable, but if there is something absurdly wrong, I'll call it, even if that means a no lynch. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
On June 13 2012 09:56 roflwaffles55 wrote: Hey everyone! Glad I got towned up for my first game, I'm hoping to be able to contribute to the analysis and casebuilding, as well as make some good reads of my own! I'll read up on the previous game that the 6 of you were a part of to see if I can't make some good calls when it comes time to vote. Would you care to comment on the topics sciberbia brought up? | ||
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roflwaffles55
Canada59 Posts
On June 13 2012 10:46 s0Lstice wrote: Would you care to comment on the topics sciberbia brought up? Sure! When it comes to lynching lurkers I would agree in that it shouldn't be the focus, and would prefer to lynch someone acting scummy day 1. As to NL, I am firmly against it and if we can't get a clear majority on scummy-acting folks then we should at least lynch a lurker, especially on D1 and 2. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
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alan133
Malaysia159 Posts
I am new and am unsure how to proceed with the game, but my current strategy is to wait for more post to come. Currently I have no FoS. That also mean I do not trust anyone yet. | ||
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roflwaffles55
Canada59 Posts
On June 13 2012 11:03 alan133 wrote: Good morning everyone. Looks like the first thing I am going to do in the office is to play mafia on TL. I don't recognize anyone here since this is my first game, well except for s0Lsitce since he is in the game I read. That's my brief introduction, and habitually in the beginning of any game, GLHF. I am new and am unsure how to proceed with the game, but my current strategy is to wait for more post to come. Currently I have no FoS. That also mean I do not trust anyone yet. What are your thoughts on what's been posted as of yet? | ||
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trackd00r
Chile284 Posts
I'm off to bed now. Can't do much atm. Will be back in 8 hours ~ | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
If I understood correctly, it doesn't mean that I would stop any lynch that I didn't mention on my analysis. Just because I have a candidate for lynch, it doesn't imply that I discard any other possibility. It's something related to common sense. If any other cases are convincing enough, I'll throw my vote there in the case I can't get a majority. In the other hand, if we end up like RNG lynching (which is a bad idea), any other poster that could be doing silly mistakes, or even a player practically saying ''hey guys, I'm mafia, lynch me'' that's when it goes against my mindset. Any possibility is valuable, but if there is something absurdly wrong, I'll call it, even if that means a no lynch. This post screams to me that he's trying to be super cautious with his words, so that he'll have a safety net if/when he ever changes a vote or bandwagons on someone else. He throws out some 'obvious' examples of reasons of what wouldn't agree with him, and even mentions that he would follow through on a read, even if it that means a no lynch. BUT WAIT! Just ONE post previous to that he says this: I won't accept a NO LYNCH unless I believe we may have a serious mislynch coming. ... Dude. You try to take a firm stance against something, and then you do the most scummy wishy-washy-ness thing ever the very next post. You're clearly informed about mafia as you brought up the idea of a day 1 RNG lynch, and being against a no lynch is not a difficult or complicated policy to hold. I feel that such a simple logical slip only happens if you're trying to play it safe and keep your options open. ##vote trackd00r | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
I'll be pressing for a scum lynch over a lurker lynch on day 1. As we saw in newbie mafia XV, several of our players (the least active ones) were either replaced or modkilled over day 1 and day 2, yet a lot of the discussion was focused on whether or not to lynch them. Also related to XV, we should absolutely avoid a Day 1 NL. Me getting lynched on Day 1 provided most of the ammunition and clues that were used to nail heist on Day 3 and could have nailed Xatalos had he not played an excellent game after his Day 1 blunders. | ||
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alan133
Malaysia159 Posts
On June 13 2012 11:12 roflwaffles55 wrote: What are your thoughts on what's been posted as of yet? On the inactive/lurkers lynch + Show Spoiler + I believe inactive players/lurkers are generally anti-town/bad town play in any mafia game, so lynching them isn't a bad idea (Since I believe d1 lynch is good, refer below), if there aren't better candidates of course. On the day 1 lynch/no lynch + Show Spoiler + I agree on lynching day 1 based on my experience with other mafia games (outside TL) with similar setup. By reading other games on TL I also notice the current meta game is to lynch when there are more players, as it gives townies clues. I am off to lunch, will be commenting on my thoughts later as I see some interesting posts/votes already. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
if town has no discussion, scum wins by manipulating the lynches in their favor. so not only should everyone be talking, give us something useful. who do u think is mafia? it does not matter if your suggestions are completely bad during day 1/2 we just need more information and things such as your suspicions and what you're thinking is information. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
That said, I'm interested in hearing opinions of suki's post on trackd00r. What do you all think of suki's analysis? Here are my own thoughts on trackd00r+ Show Spoiler + suki's main accusation is that trackd00r contradicted himself. I didn't find his posts to be the easiest reading, but as far as I can tell he is reasonably consistent. His stance is that NL is a very bad idea and that he would only promote NL if the alternative lynch was terribad. I'd be interested to hear him clarify. I think suki twisted his words, or at least misinterpreted them. trackd00r said " if there is something absurdly wrong, I'll call it, even if that means a no lynch." and suki summarized this as "mentions that he would follow through on a read, even if it that means a no lynch". I don't think that's what he said. I would concede that his first couple posts are a bit hard to follow. But poor wording is not a scumtell. I don't see a "logical slip" as suki put it. Maybe she could put it more clearly for me. Anyways, I'm off to sleep soon. Over the next 24 hours, I'd like to see some accusations and opinions on other people's accusations. It'd be nice to have some lynch candidates on the table ~20 hours before the deadline, so we have plenty of time to debate who we should actually lynch, as well as hear everyone's opinion on the primary lynch candidate(s). | ||
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alan133
Malaysia159 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Any possibility is valuable, but if there is something absurdly wrong, I'll call it, even if that means a no lynch. I won't accept a NO LYNCH unless I believe we may have a serious mislynch coming. I started writing before I refresh and saw s0lstice's post. As he already pointed it out, there are no contradictions between the two statements. trackd00r merely states that NL is bad unless it is a "serious" mislynch in both highlighted sentence. If I am missing something, please correct me. Also, Miltonkram: + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2012 10:35 Miltonkram wrote: Hey all, glad to see we've got a bit of activity already. In NMM XV we actually had a decent discussion about no-lynches (involving me making a fool of myself) and how they can actually be beneficial in certain setups. That being said, we don't know for certain if we'll have any modkills so we should leave no-lynches off the table until we hit the unlikely scenario that a no-lynch is beneficial for the town. Town, the best way to contribute is just to get posting. Let everyone know what your thoughts are. Did someone post something suspicious? Let us know about it. Do you think the town is making a bad move? Let us know about it. If a townie lurks he/she is letting down his/her entire team. So don't do it, K? I'm sooooooooper serious. Like sooooper, soooooooooooper serious. Hey sciberbia, remember this ##Vote: sciberbia ...heh heh heh Is it me or you are not actually + Show Spoiler + soooooooooooooooooper serious My current opinion + Show Spoiler + FMPOV, suki's case was most probably based on a misunderstanding, but (s)he could very well did it intentionally hoping for a bandwagon leading to a mislynch. Note that I am merely listing the possibilities, I do not FoS anyone yet, which can also mean that I do not trust anyone yet. | ||
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