Doubt I can make it at the deadline. In case I die, I think xksksksc is scummier than Hyaach. I think it is in their own best interest to follow the plan if they're town: it can show ghost is scum. If the plan isn't followed, regular scumhunting will prevail!

xsksc

United Kingdom1044 Posts

June 23 2012 08:01 GMT

#1649

On June 23 2012 16:52 Acrofales wrote:
Doubt I can make it at the deadline. In case I die, I think xksksksc is scummier than Hyaach. I think it is in their own best interest to follow the plan if they're town: it can show ghost is scum. If the plan isn't followed, regular scumhunting will prevail!

So i'm checking Hyaach then?

talismania

United States2364 Posts

June 23 2012 16:30 GMT

#1650

please do check hyaach.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

June 23 2012 16:31 GMT

#1651

[green]Does a Vengeful Townie fulfill the requirements of having a "vanilla townie" in the game, in the eyes of our esteemed hosts?[green]

talismania

United States2364 Posts

June 23 2012 16:32 GMT

#1652

fml

Does a Vengeful Townie fulfill the requirements of having a "vanilla townie" in the game, in the eyes of our esteemed hosts?

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

June 23 2012 16:40 GMT

#1653

Considering my role flavour I highly doubt it

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

June 23 2012 17:07 GMT

#1654

Just wait a second. Knowledge bombs are incoming.

HiroPro

United States2624 Posts

June 23 2012 17:10 GMT

#1655

Yes plz. More knowledge.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

June 23 2012 17:22 GMT

#1656

Something to think about once I'm dead (if it's not acrofales):

What good is a town roleblocker in a game with two scum with roles? I dunno this is kind of a weak point. Bastard game and all that.

Barbiero

Brazil5259 Posts

June 23 2012 17:30 GMT

#1657

i probably wont make it to the deadline. I apologize. Posting from phone atm

talismania

United States2364 Posts

June 23 2012 17:31 GMT

#1658

also remember to look at the cases they made D1 and how they made them. Hyaach's on nisani is particularly forced.

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

June 23 2012 17:42 GMT

#1659

So here's my theory. Forumite refused to answer my question and Zeph hasn't gotten back to me yet, but I don't expect him to be helpful either.

My theory is that Forumite trolled us with the setup in two more ways than we thought.

Troll number one: he didn't actually randomize the roles. Instead, he just put the roles in order on the signup list: third party, town, scum.

This leads directly to troll number two:
Drazerk is not the Vanilla Townie. Instead, he is the Vanilla Townie.

This is what Forumite wouldn't answer: he wouldn't confirm to me that the colors on the rolenames in the OP were alignment indicative, and the OP itself only says that the "roles" are present, not the "roles and alignments". I also think that the reference to the third party planer dragon in the OP is a hint to the vanilla townie thing - Maju's scum buddy probably has "scum" somewhere in the name, since in Maju's role PM it said they win when "scum outnumber the remaining town" or something like that, but the only reference in the PM to Maju being on the "scum" faction was that acronym.

I have a few pieces of supporting evidence for this claim. First, Drazerk's play; I've made my opinions clear on that pretty much the whole game. Second, how defensive he was when I started attacking him on day 1. Third, his attempts to get us to treat him as if he was confirmed by the Phoenix Wright check, when it actually said nothing at all about his alignment.

I think that the Vanilla Townie is probably an anti-town role, and that it either has limited KP or Drazerk has been saving his KP in order to confuse us (the VisceraEyes school of serial killing). Actually, I think that it's similar to KB's role, with a wincon that involves killing off other third party players and another wincon that involves surviving until the end of the game (and thus having town lose).

This theory would also require Ghost/Fourface to be the last scum. I'll let you guys evaluate this yourself, but I think it makes sense. Bulletproof survivor is a pretty good claim for scum to make, since if he was going to get hit by a bullet at night he would lose anyway so it's no risk to him to claim it. Additionally, I can't see fourface's claim of insane bulletproof DT making any sense from a neutral-third-party point of view.

There are several easy ways to get information about this theory. If there are two KP tonight and one of them hits either Hiro or myself, then I'm definitely correct. If there aren't, then we can just scumhunt normally; if we find the mafia and it's not Ghost then I'm clearly wrong, and if Ghost is the mafia and the game doesn't end then we lynch Drazerk.

Finally, Drazerk would you please post this again:

On June 20 2012 03:15 Drazerk wrote:
##I had fun

I want to see if you get a response from the hosts. There's a chance that the hosts don't tell him how many players he has to outlive, and he can ask them by posting this. Alternatively if there's some other reason you posted this please do tell us.
Either way this last bit isn't really key to the main theory.