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On June 22 2012 07:32 talismania wrote:
Proposal:
Nisani wants to be lynched, we want to lynch scum.
We all vote dropbear, and nisani does what KB did and unvote votes to make sure he's the last one voting.
If the game ends because dropbear is the last scum, great.
If the game doesn't end, but dropbear is still scum, then we lynch nisani for possibly having an anti-town wincon (or one of the other 3p players).
If the game doesn't end because dropbear is town and telling the truth, then we've still gotten rid of nisani (and nisani has gotten rid of himself).
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All that said I still have a sneaking suspicion the last scum xsksc =/
Yeah I'm ok with this. I am busy tomorrow morning though so if we are going to do this we better do it quick. I cannot guarantee that I will make it to the flip (but I probably will).
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On June 22 2012 06:57 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm not a big fan of DropBear. He opens the game by pushing KB, then drops it after Maju flips because his single vote somehow exonerates him of all scumminess. It's a bad move on his part, but he was rather townish in how he stuck to his guns on that issue. Past that, the only thing he's really contributed is his case on Nisani. Take a look at his filter, he's not bringing anything to the town at all. Also, I don't like how he refuses to claim his role's name. Everyone else has, why not him? Very strange. He's either scum or very bad townie.
Now to look at xkcd. My ride home is almost here, so that might not get put up for a bit.
UGH I DON'T HAVE A NAME. Read...... my...... filter......
And it didn't exonerate all scumminess I said that.
On June 19 2012 13:31 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:40 EchelonTee wrote:DropBear His first post is fairly fluffy regarding the house, talking about "I don't not trust you, but I don't trust you", and "VE lolol", which isn't ordinarily a big concern for the early game, but considering that his suspicion on KB is for talking about "filler", it's hypocritical. Esp. since KB's speculation is more relevant than DB's (KB specifically says be careful with your alignment. Same point, DB is implying that KB being diplomatic towards the House is scummy, even though DB's first post was diplomatic as fck. He warps some logic when trying to tunnel KB more. He uses the fact that Nisani is defending him as a reason to call KB scummy; there is no associative tell to make, you don't know Nisani's alignment. I already adressed the House comments. The "scumslip" he mentions isn't much. The biggest reason why he calls KB is scum is because "has big fluffy posts where he doesn't say much", but KB has been doing a lot more since then, which DB ignores. He's been playing a very tight game where his only accusation is on KB, considered to be an "easy accusation". This is not scummy inherently, but it's how I would've played it as scum, probably. Make an accusation that is easy, don't post much else on other topics. My first post in this game was made drunk as hell at 3am on a Saturday night. Read it again. What it says is I AM NOT JOINING HOUSE CHEZINU. What warped logic? I greatly suspect Nisani's alignment, even more now after his defence of Maju that I linked in the post prior to this. And scumbuddies defend each other, no? KB's posting continued to be overly verbose and not actually saying all that much of substance. I still am suspicious of his alignment.As for the last bit, I'm going to requote you. Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 05:40 EchelonTee wrote:
This is not scummy inherently, but it's how I would've played it as scum, probably. I'm sorry, what?
Do any of you actually read? Like seriously, do you read?
Plus for everyone who has said I haven't brought anything, I have made 3 cases. One of them was an anti-town third party, the other two have since claimed third party. That's not a bad strike rate.
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Okay, I think this is an excellent idea, but it's pretty risky. If we're doing this, lets establish a voting order:
Acro, Tali, deconduo, Drazerk, Hyaach, ghost and HiroPro are the first 7 votes on DropBear in any order.
8th is xksksksksc
9th is S&B
10th is Nisani
DropBear votes for Nisani (if there's secret king shenanigans and DropBear is king, then Nisani still dies).
What this accomplishes: if all goes to plan, DropBear is scum, dies and we win the game. Chance of DropBear being town and his roleclaim being true, Nisani and DropBear both die and we can decide which of Drazerk, Hyaach and xkskskskc are the final scum.
If Nisani does any shenanigans crap, we have a buffer: if DropBear is town, then a claimed 3rd party survivor dies and HiroPro is confirmed as a neutral 3rd party. We roleblock Nisani and lynch him tomorrow.
If both Nisani and S&B do shenanigans then our most scummy town-claimer dies.
Personally, I think everybody should go along with this plan. Oh, Hiro and S&B: if Hiro prefers to be the martyr, I'm okay with that deal too. I have just been liking his play more this game and would prefer him to stick around 
The risks:
To town: we lynch a townie DropBear who lied about his roleclaim and are stuck with Nisani tomorrow as well... one day closer to lylo. Also can't try to roleblock the scum.
To Nisani: none as far as I can see. You want to die? We want you dead! Lets do this without wasting a day of lynching!
To Hiro/S&B: you're the ones I'm afraid won't go along with this, but I think you should. The risk to you is very small: the only situation one of you dies in, is if DB is town and his roleclaim is true (small chance) AND Nisani decides to screw you over (he has been claiming he wants to die all day now to avoid his second losscon). If you agree with me that the chance of these two events occurring together are very tiny, then you stand to gain: heaps of towncred! If you don't get lynched, you win and town likes you. If you do get lynched then your partner is confirmed and we're no longer worrying about you perhaps being a scum team.
To xksksks: if you're town you'll go along with the plan. If you're scum, you'll also go along with the plan, because the chance of being killed is virtually 0. You're just the final backup buffer.
Lets do this!
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Seems like a good plan to me
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Sound's fine to me, I hope those people hurry up and vote though, I haven't slept yet. 
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I've taken another look at Hyaach's filter. I am not sure I like what I see. If someone still reads null to me after this much of the game played, my rule of the thumb is that he's probably scum. However, that is not counting the scumminess of DB and xksksksc and the unusual setup of this game. What is everybody else's opinion on him?
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On June 22 2012 16:55 xsksc wrote:Sound's fine to me, I hope those people hurry up and vote though, I haven't slept yet.
Isn't it 9:40 in Scotland?
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On June 22 2012 17:45 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 16:55 xsksc wrote:Sound's fine to me, I hope those people hurry up and vote though, I haven't slept yet. Isn't it 9:40 in Scotland?
Yes it is, I haven't slept all night.
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What do you think of my proposal, Acro?
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On June 22 2012 18:09 xsksc wrote:
What do you think of my proposal, Acro?
It depends a lot on who dies and what they flip what I think of the proposal. If town wins, then your proposal doesn't matter. If Nisani dies then I'm not sure it isn't just safer to roleblock you (if Hyaach is mafia he'll roleblock you anyway and if you're a mafia goon then roleblocking you prevents a NK and catches us a scum).
But lets talk about your roleclaim. I don't automatically agree with Tali that you're scummy for not jumping on 4F (BioSC didn't either), you did say this, after all:
FourFace's bulletproof DT looks really overpowered. He also tells us who he plans to investigate, which is insanely careless and gives off the impression that he doesn't give a fuck. I don't believe him.
And it was night and revealing a blue role at night is not something you want to do (by day ghost had already said the claim was bullshit). So I don't really think this is a reason to nail you to the cross.
However, BioSC flipped DT and giving town two DTs in a 15player game seems like a very strange setup. Do you have any insight into why we should believe your roleclaim?
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Okay wait hiro why would we go along with any plan that involves one of us dying? It puts all our chances in he basket of hoping scum are playing reasonably, which I'm not sure I'm comfortable with.
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On June 22 2012 18:34 strongandbig wrote:
Okay wait hiro why would we go along with any plan that involves one of us dying? It puts all our chances in he basket of hoping scum are playing reasonably, which I'm not sure I'm comfortable with.
This is why:
To Hiro/S&B: you're the ones I'm afraid won't go along with this, but I think you should. The risk to you is very small: the only situation one of you dies in, is if DB is town and his roleclaim is true (small chance) AND Nisani decides to screw you over (he has been claiming he wants to die all day now to avoid his second losscon). If you agree with me that the chance of these two events occurring together are very tiny, then you stand to gain: heaps of towncred! If you don't get lynched, you win and town likes you. If you do get lynched then your partner is confirmed and we're no longer worrying about you perhaps being a scum team.
What is it, exactly, that you're afraid of?
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On June 22 2012 18:29 Acrofales wrote:It depends a lot on who dies and what they flip what I think of the proposal. If town wins, then your proposal doesn't matter. If Nisani dies then I'm not sure it isn't just safer to roleblock you (if Hyaach is mafia he'll roleblock you anyway and if you're a mafia goon then roleblocking you prevents a NK and catches us a scum). But lets talk about your roleclaim. I don't automatically agree with Tali that you're scummy for not jumping on 4F (BioSC didn't either), you did say this, after all: Show nested quote +FourFace's bulletproof DT looks really overpowered. He also tells us who he plans to investigate, which is insanely careless and gives off the impression that he doesn't give a fuck. I don't believe him. And it was night and revealing a blue role at night is not something you want to do (by day ghost had already said the claim was bullshit). So I don't really think this is a reason to nail you to the cross. However, BioSC flipped DT and giving town two DTs in a 15player game seems like a very strange setup. Do you have any insight into why we should believe your roleclaim?
I'm not sure what to say about it really, it does seem strange for a 15 player game, and I can see why everyone doubts it. It worries me that they might have some kind of mechanic or power to balance it out, which we haven't picked up on yet.
I still don't understand what could possess a scum player to make this claim though, can't you see it's pretty much a death sentence for me?
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Is it possible to post /vote DropBear now and have it register at 18:00 GMT? Does that fall under "conditional voting"?
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Maybe Drazerk has something to say on the matter. He has a unique insight into the twisted minds of bastard mods, due to the twistyness of his own mind. In general, weird play is neither a scumtell, nor a town tell: it can be wifom'd either way. Personally, I would've claimed VT (/glares at Drazerk) or neutral survivor (/glares at ghost) as scum, but some would argue that precisely the reason scum picks a weird roleclaim is to point out that scum would NEVER make such a weird roleclaim (they then usually proceed to blast VE out of existence ).
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On June 22 2012 18:58 xsksc wrote:
Is it possible to post /vote DropBear now and have it register at 18:00 GMT? Does that fall under "conditional voting"?
Votes are cast when they are cast.
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Hypothetical situation: what would Majuju have seen if he had role checked a roleblocker?
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I'm not even sure why I asked that question. I'm fairly certain the answer must be "weird", because none of the other answers could be. Here is the relevant bit from Maju's role pm:
You may check a player every night, and receive "Nothing", "Vigilante", "Medic", "Detective" or "Weird". You are sane, although you have some very long arms which makes your clothes require unique measurement.
This makes the whole Hyaach situation really weird, because personally I don't think a roleblocker is a weird role at all. I can imagine this was done, because they didn't want to give hints about the potential roles in the game (other than the ones outlined in the OP), however, he IS explicitly notified about vigilantes, who are also not mentioned in the OP.
That leaves a rather plausible explanation: Hyaach is Maju's scumbuddy. He is, in fact, a roleblocker (I don't think there's much doubt of that, because Nisani was roleblocked). However, Maju would never bother checking him, because he is his scumbuddy. So there was no need to add "roleblocker" as a possible role to be checked by the scummy rolecop!
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Hyaach: why did you roleblock Nisani?
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