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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 21 2012 22:12 GMT
#1481
I really don't like xaard's stance on 4F's fake roleclaim. Again, if someone claimed my role, I would be all over that. He says almost nothing about it at all for the majority of the cycle. Why wouldn't you push someone who claimed your role? I just don't buy it.

I think xberk scummier than DropBear at the moment.

What I'd really like to hear is their thoughts on each other. Those are always enlightening.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 21 2012 22:13 GMT
#1482
ghost, my man I got you covered already

On June 21 2012 12:27 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 12:10 HiroPro wrote:
On June 21 2012 11:57 xsksc wrote:
On June 21 2012 11:43 HiroPro wrote:
Anyone there? Just because we're lynching Nisani doesn't mean we stop talking...

I'm here! What do you want to talk about?


Yay! I'm still rereading people's filters but I'd like to get your opinion on DropBear.

The way I see it, the cases that people have made on him being scum are based on the fact that he wanted to kill and backed off KB with weak reasoning, claimed vengeful townie, and never really mentioned MajuGarzett.

Thing is I don't really agree with the first point at all as he seemed to provide good reasoning when Acrofales asked him (and I thought his original posting on KB even before was fairly clear in that he thought KB was scum for posting lots of contentless posts). I don't see anything crazy about his claim. And the third point is pretty weak in my opinion. And I thought his reaction to Acrofales's pressure was genuinely townie.

I'd just like to hear what you personally think about this. And if you have any strong scum reads other than Nisani?


Points 1 and 3 both apply to me as well, so no, I don't think they make him scum. Leaning town on DB, however I had some doubts about his claim (which I went over not too long ago and it's possible I was just overthinking things).
Other strong scum reads - no, although I wouldn't mind Drazerk dying.


On June 21 2012 15:16 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 15:12 xsksc wrote:
DB, thoughts on me/Hiro's case?
Am I the only one that sees my claim as retarded as hell for scum?o.o

I have said repeatedly that you are making more sense to me than anyone and you are the last person I would have lynched, even before your claim.

strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 21 2012 22:15 GMT
#1483
On June 22 2012 07:12 ghost_403 wrote:
I really don't like xaard's stance on 4F's fake roleclaim. Again, if someone claimed my role, I would be all over that. He says almost nothing about it at all for the majority of the cycle. Why wouldn't you push someone who claimed your role? I just don't buy it.

I think xberk scummier than DropBear at the moment.

What I'd really like to hear is their thoughts on each other. Those are always enlightening.


That's a really good point actually.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 21 2012 22:29 GMT
#1484
On the other hand though, would the hosts really put so much about detective checks into the role PMs and setup info, and give scum a framing power, if there was no alignment detective?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 21 2012 22:30 GMT
#1485
On June 22 2012 07:15 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 07:12 ghost_403 wrote:
I really don't like xaard's stance on 4F's fake roleclaim. Again, if someone claimed my role, I would be all over that. He says almost nothing about it at all for the majority of the cycle. Why wouldn't you push someone who claimed your role? I just don't buy it.

I think xberk scummier than DropBear at the moment.

What I'd really like to hear is their thoughts on each other. Those are always enlightening.


That's a really good point actually.

Is it?
On June 20 2012 13:10 xsksc wrote:
I don't believe FourFace/DropBear's claim's.


One thing I have learned this game is that there are 50 ways to spell xsksc, although I do wonder how you arrived at xaard and xberk..
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 21 2012 22:32 GMT
#1486
Proposal:

Nisani wants to be lynched, we want to lynch scum.

We all vote dropbear, and nisani does what KB did and unvote votes to make sure he's the last one voting.

If the game ends because dropbear is the last scum, great.
If the game doesn't end, but dropbear is still scum, then we lynch nisani for possibly having an anti-town wincon (or one of the other 3p players).
If the game doesn't end because dropbear is town and telling the truth, then we've still gotten rid of nisani (and nisani has gotten rid of himself).

___________

All that said I still have a sneaking suspicion the last scum xsksc =/
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 21 2012 22:36 GMT
#1487
On June 22 2012 07:29 strongandbig wrote:
On the other hand though, would the hosts really put so much about detective checks into the role PMs and setup info, and give scum a framing power, if there was no alignment detective?


Pinkie Pie was an alignment detective (his name is no longer BioSC). BioSC, if you're reading this right now, you should change your name to Pinkie Pie.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 21 2012 22:44 GMT
#1488
On June 22 2012 07:32 talismania wrote:
Proposal:

Nisani wants to be lynched, we want to lynch scum.

We all vote dropbear, and nisani does what KB did and unvote votes to make sure he's the last one voting.

If the game ends because dropbear is the last scum, great.
If the game doesn't end, but dropbear is still scum, then we lynch nisani for possibly having an anti-town wincon (or one of the other 3p players).
If the game doesn't end because dropbear is town and telling the truth, then we've still gotten rid of nisani (and nisani has gotten rid of himself).

___________

All that said I still have a sneaking suspicion the last scum xsksc =/


I have a proposal.
You guys give me a list of people you want investigated. I'll investigate into that list each night until I'm shot, and if it does come to lynching me, my flip will confirm their alignments. (I'm 100% sure that I'm sane.)
This either forces scum to use a KP on me, saving you a lynch day, or you lynch me in a few days and you get the alignments of everyone I checked, too. Either way I'm going to die, it seems, so I might as well be useful while I'm alive.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 21 2012 22:49 GMT
#1489
On June 22 2012 07:44 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 07:32 talismania wrote:
Proposal:

Nisani wants to be lynched, we want to lynch scum.

We all vote dropbear, and nisani does what KB did and unvote votes to make sure he's the last one voting.

If the game ends because dropbear is the last scum, great.
If the game doesn't end, but dropbear is still scum, then we lynch nisani for possibly having an anti-town wincon (or one of the other 3p players).
If the game doesn't end because dropbear is town and telling the truth, then we've still gotten rid of nisani (and nisani has gotten rid of himself).

___________

All that said I still have a sneaking suspicion the last scum xsksc =/


I have a proposal.
You guys give me a list of people you want investigated. I'll investigate into that list each night until I'm shot, and if it does come to lynching me, my flip will confirm their alignments. (I'm 100% sure that I'm sane.)
This either forces scum to use a KP on me, saving you a lynch day, or you lynch me in a few days and you get the alignments of everyone I checked, too. Either way I'm going to die, it seems, so I might as well be useful while I'm alive.


well I think we need to math out the various wincons to see how much time there is. Again it would be shitty to end up in a situation where strongandbig and hiropro and ghost are all like "fuck town lol let's help the scum guy win!"

Regardless if you're not lynched today you need to be checking dropbear.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 21 2012 22:53 GMT
#1490
@xsksc <3

This will be the first and last time I spell your name right this game.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 21 2012 23:11 GMT
#1491
TOWN: me, acro, deconduo, drazerk, two of hyaach, xsksc, dropbear (6)

SCUM: likley one of hyaach, xsksc, dropbear (1)

3P: ghost, strongandbig, hiro, nisani (4)

So basically if we mislynch today, then the 3P can team up and help the scum win if they so chose. Nisani could make hiro king again and claim so in the thread, then hiro could lol and kill townies if he felt like it or something like that. If we lynch nisani, then it's 5 v 1 v 3 tomorrow, then if we mislynch it's 3 v 1 v 3 the next day which means it's actually lylo, and the third party players have the options of picking the side of the scum just for shits.

So we have two lynches max to find the last scum. If we lynch nisani, we have to hit the last scum tomorrow or it's lylo and town isn't in control of their own destiny.

Is that right?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 21 2012 23:14 GMT
#1492
You're making some assumptions that I wouldn't, but I'll let you figure it out
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 21 2012 23:15 GMT
#1493
Well and you're not making some that I would, but w/e.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 21 2012 23:25 GMT
#1494
HiroPro didn't you say something about wanting to claim last so you could shit on another neutral survivor claim? Why hasn't that happened with respect to ghost?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 21 2012 23:28 GMT
#1495
On June 22 2012 08:25 talismania wrote:
HiroPro didn't you say something about wanting to claim last so you could shit on another neutral survivor claim? Why hasn't that happened with respect to ghost?


On June 22 2012 00:42 HiroPro wrote:
The reason why I saved my roleclaim until the end is because if someone else claimed vanilla survivor (no friends, no powers), then I could identify their role as likely being a lie.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 22 2012 00:43 GMT
#1496
On June 22 2012 08:14 HiroPro wrote:
You're making some assumptions that I wouldn't, but I'll let you figure it out


Boo help us!

One major assumption is that you third parties aren't lying about being neutral. Ghost could be anti-town I suppose but it wouldn't make much sense for you and SNB to be antitown given how you've played.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4397 Posts
June 22 2012 02:43 GMT
#1497
Well well, Nisani is third party. So of my two major cases both ended up being third party, I'll take that.

Why is the claim of everyone being taken for gospel except for mine?

I have a suggestion.

Let's take the king out of the equation entirely. Everyone vote for me and have Nisani be the last one to vote. EVERYONE. That way both of us die, a lot of the confusion is gone and we don't end up giving the sole lynch capacity to the Mafia.
Sucker for nostalgia
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 22 2012 02:49 GMT
#1498
DropBear meet talismania, talismania DropBear.

On June 22 2012 07:32 talismania wrote:
Proposal:

Nisani wants to be lynched, we want to lynch scum.

We all vote dropbear, and nisani does what KB did and unvote votes to make sure he's the last one voting.

If the game ends because dropbear is the last scum, great.
If the game doesn't end, but dropbear is still scum, then we lynch nisani for possibly having an anti-town wincon (or one of the other 3p players).
If the game doesn't end because dropbear is town and telling the truth, then we've still gotten rid of nisani (and nisani has gotten rid of himself).
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4397 Posts
June 22 2012 02:51 GMT
#1499
On June 22 2012 11:49 HiroPro wrote:
DropBear meet talismania, talismania DropBear.

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 07:32 talismania wrote:
Proposal:

Nisani wants to be lynched, we want to lynch scum.

We all vote dropbear, and nisani does what KB did and unvote votes to make sure he's the last one voting.

If the game ends because dropbear is the last scum, great.
If the game doesn't end, but dropbear is still scum, then we lynch nisani for possibly having an anti-town wincon (or one of the other 3p players).
If the game doesn't end because dropbear is town and telling the truth, then we've still gotten rid of nisani (and nisani has gotten rid of himself).

Lets just get it done. I still don't understand the case against me at any level and I'm sick of defending myself. If my death brings about something good then so be it.
Sucker for nostalgia
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 22 2012 03:04 GMT
#1500
People who want to die make me sad
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