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Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
June 21 2012 14:38 GMT
#1401
On June 21 2012 18:25 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 18:08 Hyaach wrote:
I was along the lines of his post have major power slip in them. And his tone was to breadcrumb himself if he needed to claim.
Why are you so defensive?

Yes we can't tell him from his tone of typing and draw conclusion but FROM what he typed.

Who agreed on BioSC's case? Can you link me the response which make you come to the conclusion that his is a scummy lurker and not just A lurker?



I have no idea about bastard games, this is my first one.
But would having 2 2 person scum teams and 3rd parties be unlikely? Maju was a scum cop and i refuse to believe we have two cops with almost identical PM.

I'm not defensive, I'm angry.

Here is why I thought he was scum.

And here are the people who remarked on the situation:
+ Show Spoiler +

Drazerk replies:
On June 20 2012 19:53 Drazerk wrote:
While I see your point about his lack of PBPA me and ET have been very vocal in our hatred for them so we might of scared him off.

I still think he is scum because of his lurking / Chezinu stance but I think he is more of a 3rd/4th priority at the moment


ET replies:
On June 20 2012 22:00 EchelonTee wrote:
I like biosc. I think he's scum but I like him.

Not on a cpu atm, ill get back to you in the morning hiropro.



And Talismania replies:
On June 21 2012 01:23 talismania wrote:
Ok a note on the king/setup business.

If KB was king, he knew he was king. There can't have been any of this "he didn't know he was king" stuff because his role PM outright says that he gets told who the king is.

My new theory is that the king's vote doesn't outright determine the vote, but the king gets to choose whose vote does. In this world, the king was cool with getting rid of dropbear and saw that kb was definitely going to vote for him, therefore he picked KB. Then at the last minute KB tried to get nisani killed with the switch onto himself (KB probably figured nisani for the MA and was trying to meet his wincon, it's really the only explanation for that switch) but ended up dying.

_____________

@Drazerk I am powerless now but I still would be a decent night kill because I'm not getting lynched anytime soon and I'm driving a lot of discussion.
______________

BioSC you look hilariously scummy.
_______________

@ghost... what? I kinda believed his claim since the part about hiropro made complete sense given how paranoid fourface was about hiro at the beginning of D1. What are you?


The only one who thought Bio looked townish was ghost, but he was (and still is) pretty high on my scumometer himself, so I didn't trust that too much:
On June 21 2012 01:25 ghost_403 wrote:
BioSC looked townish to me, but that came mostly from the reading of the House Chezinu situation early on in the game. Past that, I didn't really notice anything significant about him.

DropBear didn't make it on my spreadsheet until I looked at the players list. Points to terrible townie or lurking scum.


As we can see, out of these, one flipped town, and Tali is pretty townie in my eyes too. I still have my doubts about Drazerk, but more on that later.

Your setup speculation: it is entirely possible for there to be 2 2person scumteams. Note, that xksksksksc claims alignment cop, not rolecop. Not that that means he's town, in a setup with 2 scumteams and 3rd party, an alignment cop can be an excellent tool for scum to find the other scumteam.

The only problem is the KP. Unless ET got doublestacked, there should've been 2 KP if there's 2 scumteams left. Only 1 KP was used. The other possibility is ET blocking a shot while getting killed himself, but nobody has claimed getting shot.

If ET stopped a shot, would the target be notified? Also, how does the "HEAVY" being notified of the shot part work?

Yes, you are informed if you are saved by a Medic. It´s in the OP.

The HEAVY part is flavor.
:3
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 21 2012 14:40 GMT
#1402
I am guessing Hiro or DB is the MA since I see no other reason to lie / delay claiming other than being scum / third party / trolling
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 21 2012 15:42 GMT
#1403
I love how no one has commented on my actual case... Or noticed xsksc's lack of breadcrumbs...


On June 21 2012 23:02 ghost_403 wrote:
@hiro: I looked back for what made me think that, and I can't find it. I was thinking maybe I just misattributed it to Bio instead of someone else, but I can't find what post I was even thinking of. I'm curious as to why that's so important to you?


Stuff like that is important. Soft defending someone who flips town is an easy way to gain town cred. If you don't have a reason for it, then I have to wonder how you came to the conclusion that he was town.


Judging by hyaach's claim, Nisani is most likely the MA. We have no king - this is why I asked if anyone had been roleblocked. No one responded and Nisani did not answer my question when I asked him if he knew why we have no king. Now judging by his actions, Nisani is most likely a third party, not town. I have no idea what his wincons could be and obviously he's not willing to say.


I am Yugi Moto, the cardless survivor. I am linked with strong&big, the Neutral Surviving Balrog. The two of us win if either of us is alive at the end of this game. We have no powers and abilities (we can't even privately communicate) but we know each other's identities. We show up as not anti-town, and do not affect the win conditions of either town or anti-town.

The reason why I saved my roleclaim until the end is because if someone else claimed vanilla survivor (no friends, no powers), then I could identify their role as likely being a lie.

Also, message to scum/third-party, if you night kill me, you're not thinking, I don't matter for shit.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
June 21 2012 15:44 GMT
#1404
The plot thickens
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 21 2012 15:44 GMT
#1405
I can confirm what hiro said. My breadcrumbs are sick yo, I'll post them at lunch when I get access to a PC.. I am the Neutral Surviving Balrog.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 21 2012 15:46 GMT
#1406
I'll also post more about why neither town nor scum should kill us. We don't count as town or scum for either side's wincon so it's a waste of a KP.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 21 2012 15:50 GMT
#1407
The two of us win if either of us is alive at the end of this game


This should be a very easy claim to check out...
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 21 2012 15:51 GMT
#1408
Also S+B I disagree one of you needs to die
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 21 2012 16:10 GMT
#1409
On June 22 2012 00:51 Drazerk wrote:
Also S+B I disagree one of you needs to die


What, to confirm that there's not a third scum team in the game, with zero KP?

Lol, Drazerk u scummy bastard.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 21 2012 16:13 GMT
#1410
You're aware only one of you need to be alive to win right?

On top of that it will auto confirm the other player as town limiting our search for targets and forcing scum to shoot that target taking the hits of townies rather than survivors.

Basically there is nothing to lose from killing one of you and everything to lose by keeping you both alive.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 21 2012 16:26 GMT
#1411
What a curious claim. I can't quite comprehend two survivors being linked like that. On the other hand, if that claim is false, the two of them just claimed scum in thread. Hm.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 21 2012 16:28 GMT
#1412
@hiro: Do you still think we should be lynching Nisani, given what you believe to be true?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 21 2012 16:32 GMT
#1413
If I were town, yes. But I don't give a shit, now. I'll do whatever the majority is going with.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 21 2012 16:38 GMT
#1414
Well, now, there's an interesting response.

Because I'm a neutral survivor, I don't really care about which side wins. But, as a survivor, what I do want is a short game, which means that it's in my best interest to be gunning for one side or the other. Being bulletproof, scum can't kill me, so that means I should be playing as pro-town as possible in this game.

You don't care. Why's that?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18425 Posts
June 21 2012 16:39 GMT
#1415
I agree with killing one of the neutral mason team. However, it's low priority. xxkskiezkla, Nisani and DropBear need to be cleared up first.

So, if I get this right, we have:

Totally confirmed town:
Acro - vig

Virtually confirmed town:
Tali - day vig
Deconduo - lie detector

Claimed town:
xskckskskwi - cop
DropBear - vengeful?
Hyaach - roleblock
Drazerk - vt

Claimed survivor:
ghost_90210
HiroPro
S&B

Claimed TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL:
Nisani

If there is really only 1 KP flying around, as it is starting to look like, I vote we lynch Nisani, the MA and win the 3rd parties who are lying about their wincon the game. Then one of the townies gets shot. Then we lynch xksksllsewissls because his roleclaim is bogus. Then either we win the game, or another townie gets shot.

If at this point town has not yet lost the game, then it's almost certainly lylo and we can figure out what to do from there onwards. Anyway, lynching Nisani and roleblocking xksksks seems to be the way to go for now.

Hypothetical situation: if there is a roleblocker, can scum KP be roleblocked?
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 21 2012 16:40 GMT
#1416
Also since VT is guaranteed in the game and no one is counter claiming it does that mean I am confirmed VT?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 21 2012 16:41 GMT
#1417
On June 22 2012 01:38 ghost_403 wrote:
Well, now, there's an interesting response.

Because I'm a neutral survivor, I don't really care about which side wins. But, as a survivor, what I do want is a short game, which means that it's in my best interest to be gunning for one side or the other. Being bulletproof, scum can't kill me, so that means I should be playing as pro-town as possible in this game.

You don't care. Why's that?


Because I'm not bulletproof lol. If someone decides that I'm being too helpful to town, they can kill me.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 21 2012 16:43 GMT
#1418
On June 22 2012 01:40 Drazerk wrote:
Also since VT is guaranteed in the game and no one is counter claiming it does that mean I am confirmed VT?


Yea bro, I was hoping I could be confirmed survivor, but I'm not
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 21 2012 16:44 GMT
#1419
On June 22 2012 01:43 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 01:40 Drazerk wrote:
Also since VT is guaranteed in the game and no one is counter claiming it does that mean I am confirmed VT?


Yea bro, I was hoping I could be confirmed survivor, but I'm not


We could always shoot your bro to make you one
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18425 Posts
June 21 2012 16:45 GMT
#1420
On June 22 2012 01:41 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 01:38 ghost_403 wrote:
Well, now, there's an interesting response.

Because I'm a neutral survivor, I don't really care about which side wins. But, as a survivor, what I do want is a short game, which means that it's in my best interest to be gunning for one side or the other. Being bulletproof, scum can't kill me, so that means I should be playing as pro-town as possible in this game.

You don't care. Why's that?


Because I'm not bulletproof lol. If someone decides that I'm being too helpful to town, they can kill me.

To be fair, if your roleclaim is in any way true, time is running out for scum. There's probably 1 scum, and possibly 1 3rd party hiding in the dodgy roleclaims. They can't afford to shoot 3rd party.
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