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DropBear
Australia4353 Posts
On June 21 2012 07:42 Nisani201 wrote: ugh you don't count These people need to tell me if they think I am the MA: DropBear xsksc Drazerk Hyaach I think you are Mafia, capiche? But the MA? The MA hasn't crossed my mind with you at all. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
Am I the only one that sees my claim as retarded as hell for scum?o.o | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On June 21 2012 15:00 xsksc wrote: I've said it once I'll say it again, I'll say it a thousand times if I have to, I was annoyed. Since when is pointing out hypocrisies in a case is a scum tactic? It's clear we have a different opinnion on the issue. I have to go work tomorrow and I am going to go to sleep. This is the last thing I am responding to. Your response was not townie. I am not the only person who believes this. This is a direct quote from one of the vets who was in the Wheel of Fortune QT (I don't remember what this person's forum id is, someone who played in Wheel of Fortune probably remembers). "However, when Ace responds, he acts exasperated, and says he doesn't give out all his reads on Day 1, which is obviously not what Bluelightz was asking for, and then asks what scumhunting Bluelightz himself has done. This moves suspicion off of Ace, and onto Bluelightz, while avoiding addressing Bluelightz's concerns, and can intimidate Bluelightz into not pursuing Ace further. I don't see that as a particularly townie way of replying." Everyone please read my case and xsksc's filter. Do not waste discussion just because we are lynching Nisani today. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4353 Posts
On June 21 2012 15:12 xsksc wrote: DB, thoughts on me/Hiro's case? Am I the only one that sees my claim as retarded as hell for scum?o.o I have said repeatedly that you are making more sense to me than anyone and you are the last person I would have lynched, even before your claim. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 21 2012 15:12 xsksc wrote: DB, thoughts on me/Hiro's case? Am I the only one that sees my claim as retarded as hell for scum?o.o As I recently just played a scum detective... its over powered and allowed me to win the game single handedly but only because acro gave me the chance  | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On June 21 2012 15:14 HiroPro wrote: I have to go work tomorrow and I am going to go to sleep. This is the last thing I am responding to. Your response was not townie. I am not the only person who believes this. This is a direct quote from one of the vets who was in the Wheel of Fortune QT (I don't remember what this person's forum id is, someone who played in Wheel of Fortune probably remembers). "However, when Ace responds, he acts exasperated, and says he doesn't give out all his reads on Day 1, which is obviously not what Bluelightz was asking for, and then asks what scumhunting Bluelightz himself has done. This moves suspicion off of Ace, and onto Bluelightz, while avoiding addressing Bluelightz's concerns, and can intimidate Bluelightz into not pursuing Ace further. I don't see that as a particularly townie way of replying." Everyone please read my case and xsksc's filter. Do not waste discussion just because we are lynching Nisani today. Except I was replying to a case which you summed up as "just bad". If I'm scum why would I even feel the need to attack nisani there? I could probably just ignore it and be fine. That case was never going to get me lynched, but i felt ANNOYED by it, so I pointed out the very obvious hypocrisy in his case. There's nothing more I can say about it. You say it's "not townie", I say it's not not townie.  | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On June 21 2012 15:16 DropBear wrote: I have said repeatedly that you are making more sense to me than anyone and you are the last person I would have lynched, even before your claim. ♥ | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18000 Posts
Lynching Nisani still seems like the way to go for now. His play is not making any sense. Not making sense is not a scumtell, but it's certainly not townie either. I am currently also unsure what to think of xskskc. His investigation targets seem believable, but are also conveniently dead. 2 DTs in a 15player game seems strange (and we have 4F's DT claim too, which ghost repealed). Particularly, you'd think that if there really are 2 DTs, scum would have more tools than a single one-shot framer. Seeing as how we're mass claiming anyway, lets add in: Who was king yesterday and how does your role work? If you're king today and it wasn't in the daypost, please say so! | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18000 Posts
On June 21 2012 13:08 Hyaach wrote: From my understanding of a breadcrumb, its something that will substantiate your role claim ? and his whole posting style is one big crumb really. lol So we should have magically deduced that his hearty cutesy posting style made him a My Little Pony... and from there drawn the conclusion that he was town? You need to have your eyes checked, I think you have a severe case of 20/20 hindsight. BioSC was lurking. His posts around Chezinu were bad and he had done nothing of use except follow the general opinion. I made a case, people agreed, so I shot him. How is that bad play? As I said to DropBear: coming in 15 hours later and yelling is NOT CONTRIBUTING. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18000 Posts
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
Why are you so defensive? Yes we can't tell him from his tone of typing and draw conclusion but FROM what he typed. Who agreed on BioSC's case? Can you link me the response which make you come to the conclusion that his is a scummy lurker and not just A lurker? I have no idea about bastard games, this is my first one. But would having 2 2 person scum teams and 3rd parties be unlikely? Maju was a scum cop and i refuse to believe we have two cops with almost identical PM. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
i thought about it while cleaning the house. 2 scum teams would means the we have missing KP in night 1. But i still refuse to believe we have 2 cops with identical PMs | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18000 Posts
On June 21 2012 18:08 Hyaach wrote: I was along the lines of his post have major power slip in them. And his tone was to breadcrumb himself if he needed to claim. Why are you so defensive? Yes we can't tell him from his tone of typing and draw conclusion but FROM what he typed. Who agreed on BioSC's case? Can you link me the response which make you come to the conclusion that his is a scummy lurker and not just A lurker? I have no idea about bastard games, this is my first one. But would having 2 2 person scum teams and 3rd parties be unlikely? Maju was a scum cop and i refuse to believe we have two cops with almost identical PM. I'm not defensive, I'm angry. Here is why I thought he was scum. And here are the people who remarked on the situation: + Show Spoiler + Drazerk replies: On June 20 2012 19:53 Drazerk wrote: While I see your point about his lack of PBPA me and ET have been very vocal in our hatred for them so we might of scared him off. I still think he is scum because of his lurking / Chezinu stance but I think he is more of a 3rd/4th priority at the moment ET replies: On June 20 2012 22:00 EchelonTee wrote: I like biosc. I think he's scum but I like him. Not on a cpu atm, ill get back to you in the morning hiropro. And Talismania replies: On June 21 2012 01:23 talismania wrote: Ok a note on the king/setup business. If KB was king, he knew he was king. There can't have been any of this "he didn't know he was king" stuff because his role PM outright says that he gets told who the king is. My new theory is that the king's vote doesn't outright determine the vote, but the king gets to choose whose vote does. In this world, the king was cool with getting rid of dropbear and saw that kb was definitely going to vote for him, therefore he picked KB. Then at the last minute KB tried to get nisani killed with the switch onto himself (KB probably figured nisani for the MA and was trying to meet his wincon, it's really the only explanation for that switch) but ended up dying. _____________ @Drazerk I am powerless now but I still would be a decent night kill because I'm not getting lynched anytime soon and I'm driving a lot of discussion. ______________ BioSC you look hilariously scummy. _______________ @ghost... what? I kinda believed his claim since the part about hiropro made complete sense given how paranoid fourface was about hiro at the beginning of D1. What are you? The only one who thought Bio looked townish was ghost, but he was (and still is) pretty high on my scumometer himself, so I didn't trust that too much: On June 21 2012 01:25 ghost_403 wrote: BioSC looked townish to me, but that came mostly from the reading of the House Chezinu situation early on in the game. Past that, I didn't really notice anything significant about him. DropBear didn't make it on my spreadsheet until I looked at the players list. Points to terrible townie or lurking scum. As we can see, out of these, one flipped town, and Tali is pretty townie in my eyes too. I still have my doubts about Drazerk, but more on that later. Your setup speculation: it is entirely possible for there to be 2 2person scumteams. Note, that xksksksksc claims alignment cop, not rolecop. Not that that means he's town, in a setup with 2 scumteams and 3rd party, an alignment cop can be an excellent tool for scum to find the other scumteam. The only problem is the KP. Unless ET got doublestacked, there should've been 2 KP if there's 2 scumteams left. Only 1 KP was used. The other possibility is ET blocking a shot while getting killed himself, but nobody has claimed getting shot. If ET stopped a shot, would the target be notified? Also, how does the "HEAVY" being notified of the shot part work? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18000 Posts
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
that's all I'm saying. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18000 Posts
On June 21 2012 05:09 talismania wrote: This doesn't make sense because maju made his case D1 against fourface and was trying to get him lynched. Maju was in Holy Roman and has seen how Mattchew busses his scumbuddies like a pro on D1. I wouldn't count 4F out... I went over his filter again and there is not much to recommend it being townie. Lets put it this way: if shitting up the thread is a mafia characteristic, 4F is the king of mafia. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18000 Posts
On June 21 2012 18:30 Hyaach wrote: I wouldn't claim before Nisani201 is dead or full claimed. that's all I'm saying. Interesting. Why the fear of Nisani? You think he's going to shoot you during the day? One of the points of the mass claim is to verify Nisani's soft claim of MA (he has vehemently denied being everything else we've accused him of being, but is silent on the MA part). If someone had it in for the MA and could use a dayshot, Nisani would've been dead at daybreak. He's not, so if anybody is still after the MA, he's not a dayvig and has to wait until night. I am also not a big fan of lynching the MA. The more I think of it, the less sense it makes for the MA to be anti-town. So regardless of how weird Nisani is playing (note that he's playing weird from a scum perspective as well), if he is in fact the MA, I'd prefer not to lynch him, as it's probably a mislynch. The reasons I think the MA is town: 1. If I shot the king, I lost the game. I'm town, therefore the king is a townie mechanic. Given that the MA appoints the king (also in my role pm), the MA must be town, because giving a town mechanic to a malicious 3rd party makes no sense at all. 2. The AMA was an anti-town 3rd party with a KP. It makes no sense from a balance perspective for the MA to be another anti-town 3rd party without direct KP (if he has night KP, it's absent from N1). If 4F's theory was right, and the MA is out to kill the AMA by crowning him king, then town is left without actual KP until this war is over. That would be completely unbalanced and no fun to be playing as town. Ockham's razor says that we are overthinking it and the MA is a town blue role. So, if Nisani is the MA and nobody actually counterclaims, then lynching Nisani is a bad idea, regardless of how scummy he's playing (and he is playing very scummy... the whole "lynch me because my wincon has been fulfilled" was terrible stacked on already shoddy play). TLDR: lets complete this mass claim and verify Nisani as the MA. Then lynch xksksksks or ghost_90210 and let scum deal with Nisani? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18000 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [start of the extra wincon / losscon:] + On June 19 2012 05:18 Nisani201 wrote: Why do you want me to claim? I have a crazy role, not alignment. I do have an opportunity for an "extra win" and an "extra loss," but you guys don't have to worry about those because they are pro-town objectives. On June 19 2012 05:24 Nisani201 wrote: I can't say much without revealing my role. All you need to know is that it 100% aligns with town objectives. I'm not really sure how the "extra win" and "extra loss" works either, but I'm guessing that I can sort of get a double-win, or not lose nor win in the same game depending on the combination. So extra win or loss, based on something he is not saying. + Show Spoiler [knowledge of king/MA:] + On June 19 2012 05:33 Nisani201 wrote: I don't know anything more than what was posted my you and Acrofales. On June 19 2012 05:46 Nisani201 wrote: No I don't know about any other factions, and my role PM didn't have any information about monarchs or monarchist activist. Claims his role pm didn't contain anything about the MA/King. This is clearly in direct contradiction with actually being the MA. So here he claims not-MA. + Show Spoiler [more on his wincon] + On June 19 2012 17:21 Nisani201 wrote: Also in response to acro, my extra win con is nothing like the glados lynching thing from aperture. It does not remove me from the game and it doesn't require other people in the thread to do anything special. On June 21 2012 14:21 Nisani201 wrote: In case you guys are wondering, I already fulfilled my extra win condition. All that's left is for you guys to kill the anti-town people, allowing me to get a double-win! This is the most interesting bit: his wincon doesn't require people to do anything special and has already been fulfilled. If he had to kill the AMA then this would make sense: the AMA is dead. Nisani: if your extra wincon is fulfilled, why don't you want to fullclaim? Why are you deliberately withholding information from town that can no longer hurt you? We've been starved for info on the MA/king and if you are in fact the MA, you can clarify it all, but are choosing not to (insofar as I understand the game, just to fuck with town). If you are not the MA, you can clarify your wincon, because you've already fulfilled it and we can go on from there. As is, you're withholding information on the setup from a town that desperately needs information on the setup. I wish we could pull the lynch forward and kill you right now. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
this is important. DO WE HAVE A KING TODAY ? And as I've said, King may be town, MA may not be towned aligned. We do not know what mechanics the king have but are believing its along the lines of dictating the day's lynch. The King may also not know his king. Base on that, the king's vote could be potentially manipulated. I've tunneled Nisani201 all day, he wouldn't make me king if the king dictate the day's vote as i WOULD vote him. | ||
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