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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 21:59 GMT
#698
On June 19 2012 06:52 deconduo wrote:
Hey talis, if you are telling the truth about being a dayvig can you post the following statement please?

Show nested quote +
I am a dayvig
I am town
Deconduo is town



I'm nervous - is that going to do something?

I am a dayvig. I am going to shoot within the next five hours. If I don't, I will be lynched.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:01 GMT
#701
I'm town - I've already claimed that. I don't know what your alignment is and I certainly don't lean town on you at the moment.

Do you want to get shot right now? What are you trying to do?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:03 GMT
#703
then say what is. I have no meta knowledge of what this is.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:07 GMT
#707
On June 19 2012 07:04 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:01 talismania wrote:
I'm town - I've already claimed that. I don't know what your alignment is and I certainly don't lean town on you at the moment.

Do you want to get shot right now? What are you trying to do?


I'm a lie detector. I can tell if a post contains any falsehoods. Post exactly what I said to post now please. Assuming you are telling the truth I can verify you as town and dayvig.

Show nested quote +
I am a dayvig
I am town
Deconduo is town


Ok something doesn't smell right about that.

Do your lie detection on my next post if you want to find out that I am a town day vig.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:07 GMT
#708
I am a town dayvig.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:12 GMT
#720
Strongandbig you were on there for no other reason than what I posted in my impressions list. I also wanted to see if anyone reacted but no one did (I had to force reactions out of people). You ARE a risky shot because if you're town then I'd be shooting a productive townie.

Talk to me a bit about some of the other candidates that have come up for lynch discussion. Who do you think is scummy besides drazerk? Etc.

Don't worry I'll publicly say who I'm going to shoot before I do it and give them time to respond.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:16 GMT
#728
On June 19 2012 07:15 deconduo wrote:
I'm 99% sure Drazerk is town, there's no way a non-town would come out like that to try and get proven. If it comes back a lie it almost certainly means talis is town. If it comes back true, we lynch talis.


I'm fine with that, as long as a host tells the thread what's going on. I'll be shooting one of you two, then.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:18 GMT
#736
On June 19 2012 07:17 deconduo wrote:
Also full roelclaim:

I am Phoenix Wright, the Objectivist
Once per game, I can quote a passage of someone and type ##OBJECTION, and the hosts will confirm or deny it openly in the thread, even if the original poster didn't know it.


If that's the case then why the hell did it need to be in a specific format? You could have just picked the first post where I claimed to be day vig and done it. Or picked anyone's post for that matter.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:22 GMT
#740
On June 19 2012 07:19 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:18 talismania wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:17 deconduo wrote:
Also full roelclaim:

I am Phoenix Wright, the Objectivist
Once per game, I can quote a passage of someone and type ##OBJECTION, and the hosts will confirm or deny it openly in the thread, even if the original poster didn't know it.


If that's the case then why the hell did it need to be in a specific format? You could have just picked the first post where I claimed to be day vig and done it. Or picked anyone's post for that matter.


More information more power and what not


Not really. If the goal was to find out that I was town, then pick the post where I said I was town.

Now, if this is legit, and comes back lie, there are tons of possibilities. It's not like the hosts will say "oh there was only ONE lie" or anything like that. Just a stupid application of that power if that's how the power can be used.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:24 GMT
#743
There's the one where I just made where I say I'm dayvig and town.

That should suffice since I am obviously going to prove my roleclaim.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:27 GMT
#750
On June 19 2012 07:12 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:11 Drazerk wrote:
Deconduo is town
Drazerk is town
Talismania is not town


[image loading]

##OBJECTION



Like...

did you think about what you were doing when you picked this post?

If it comes back lie, that means that

--I am town + Drazerk is town + deconduo is town
--I am town + Drazerk is not town + deconduo is town
--I am town + Drazerk is not town + deconduo is not town

How does that help anything? It can't come back true because I am town.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:27 GMT
#752
And that's exactly what happened.

=/
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:31 GMT
#766
On June 19 2012 07:28 HiroPro wrote:
You can wriggle and squirm all you want talismania, but the truth is you were confirmed as non-town from the very moment in which you refused to say what you were supposed to say.


What???

If deconduo had just used the passage where I said I was dayvig and town he could have actually shown that.

Now there's literally no way to use that information.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:35 GMT
#774
On June 19 2012 07:33 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:32 Acrofales wrote:
That was the dumbest use of a really awesome power I ever saw. We learned exactly nothing there, because I believe Talismania is town.


Which means we are all town?


Why did you write the passage the way you did?

You could have written,

Deconduo is town
Drazerk is town
Talismania is town.

But instead you chose to put "talismania is not town" Why?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:43 GMT
#784
Well.

Ok given what deconduo wanted me to originally post, he can't be scum. Otherwise it would have come back a lie, and I would have shot him (and he would know that) in order to prove that he was the liar. So he is town.

Drazerk could be anything still.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:44 GMT
#786
DropBear are you around? I'm thinking of shooting you.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:51 GMT
#794
On June 19 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 07:39 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:39 Acrofales wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:32 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 07:31 strongandbig wrote:
Okay so. That came back as "false".

I think Decon is town, since he was willing to use his power if Talismania had said what he said originally.

So either: Talismania is town, Drazerk is not town, or both of those things.

Unfortunately, neither of Drazerk and Talismania is really confirmed until the other one dies.


You gotta admit I'd be insane to come forward and do that if I had read my role PM and it said scum

No. Because it would tell you your scumbuddies and Talismania would NOT be among them, therefore with that wording you would be completely safe.


That logic makes no sense

It does. If you were scum and Tali were town, you would know Tali is not on your scumteam and hence probable town. A tiny bit of looking at the thread would make that even more probable. Now lets go back to the logic:

Statements:
A = drazerk is town
B = deconduo is town
C = talismania is town

Theory:
A & B & ~C

Theory is FALSE, so we know:

~(A & B & ~C)
= ~A | ~B | C

This statement is true if any one of the following is true:
~A = Drazerk is not town
~B = Deconduo is not town
C = Talismania is town

Because you would already know C, that would make it completely safe for you.

If it's still not clear, replace "Talismania is not town" in the checked post with "Pigs can fly". Because pigs can, in fact, not fly, anything else in the post is irrelevant: it will be marked as false.

However, this is all academic, because Deconduo derped even more than I thought and we learned NOTHING from the whole ordeal.


Statement C was "talismania is not town" btw.

It's clear to me that deconduo should be town unless he's really dumb. Drazerk did initially write three statements that said he was town, dec was town, and I was a day vig, but deconduo did not elect to do that, and instead made him type what he did. Drazerk's statement if checked would have been incredibly incriminating against him had it come back a lie, and I would have shot him. So it makes the most sense that he is town as well.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:56 GMT
#798
Ok fine let's move on.

Deconduo, who should I shoot?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 22:58 GMT
#800
On June 19 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:
Who ever you shoot I am placing a 30 min clock on it T_T


Relax as much as I hate to say it I don't think I'm going to shoot you. God if you're scum...
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 23:00 GMT
#803
MajuGarzett, you're around.

Who else besides FourFace is scummy to you?

What do you make of KharadBanar? Nisani?
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