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On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote:
damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now.
##Vote gonzaw
I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that?
also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town.
Couple things I'd like to see you talk about more here. Firstly, why do you think gonzaw is scum? Could you give us a case?
Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it.
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Anyway, I think Hesmyrr is who I'm gonna vote on now, before I go to sleep. gonzaw's case has a couple good points. Namely, during the first day cycle he really did only pop up when he was being talked about. This indicates he was reading the thread very closely, but trying to avoid actively posting in it - usually only done by players who have something to hide. Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr.
Secondly, Hesmyrr also is doing the same thing I accused Radfield of doing earlier: He's subtly getting other people to contribute in his stead. Example:
On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary.
He was the original guy to push VE, but he wants (i think) gonzaw to do the analysis? That's very strange. If he couldn't find enough concrete agruments to merit an analysis post, why does he expect another player to find it for him? Either he's very unsure about his analysis skills (not true, it's Hesmyrr, he's a veteran mafia player) or he doesn't want to post analysis out there himself.
It's enough for me right now to vote for Hesmyrr. He and Radfield seem the most suspicious right now, and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger, so...
##Vote: Hesmyrr
One final thing:
On June 13 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote:
VE shut up
##Vote BrownBear
Cute. Now how about you contribute, like I said above. Why do you think I'm scum? Is it because I disagree with you? Because that's the only reason you've got so far. And it's a shitty reason, and I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit about this game and you aren't trying, which is unacceptable in a mini.
Ok, I gotta get up in 6 hours, so I'm off. Night, all!
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On June 13 2012 18:15 gonzaw wrote:
To be honest, even if Rad was scum I don't see why he couldn't have just kept Ace alive.
I mean, Ace was practically useless and had like 1.3% thread presence. Ace would probably park his vote on him and nothing else, he wasn't a direct threat to him as let's say, you (he could have easily killed you as scum).
I think Ace was killed because basically nobody suspected him (because he was being his usual town derp), and because maybe they didn't want the state of the thread and discussion to change by killing someone else.
That makes me think that perhaps scum were content with the way the discussion was going, which was basically steering towards BB, Ace and Radfield in a way (nobody had mentioned Hessmyrr at all, other than Grey asking him one question).
THat makes me feel better about a Hes lynch to be honest.
Ace probably died because at any point, he can go into mafia-is-serious-business mode, appear out of nowhere with a perfect read on at least 1 scum, and get town to follow him. Basically, Ace has the ability to tear up a game singlehandedly even when he's barely invested in it, and most mafia players rightfully fear that (it's the same reason Radfield and Foolishness are popular early hits as well).
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On June 13 2012 18:19 Palmar wrote:
that's a joke BB, aimed at VE's
You are correct, sir. My apologies. Missed that VE post.
But would you mind explaining why gonzaw is your lynch choice, and why you think Rad is town?
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just did it, off to bed for realz this time. night!
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On June 14 2012 06:53 Hesmyrr wrote:
My post in page 19 is not pointless. Like I stated I did not have any scum-read (at least one I believed I could push for with logic) except the fact that I did not want to see Palmar lynched. I also still thought VisceraEyes had reasonable chance of flipping scum while I had null read on MZ, so I tried to determine what to do using vote associatons. At that point BrownBear was unreasonably pushing for Palmar lynch and the post I quoted stood out as weak, passive defense of MZ. Thus I considered the possibility of BrownBear-MZ scum team therefore asked BB to flesh out his response to better. Unfortunately he then went afk for rest of the day so I dropped it.
Hi, my name is BrownBear and I answered your question. Right here:
On June 12 2012 06:16 BrownBear wrote:-snip- Also, Hesmyrr, the reasoning is because MZ has posted a couple times: Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 04:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm really digging an MZ lynch as well. It's really uniting the town right now and as everyone knows, a bandwagon lynch is the best lynch. and Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 12 2012 04:56 GreYMisT wrote:On June 12 2012 04:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And for those people who are complaining that I am "not contributing," relax. We have like 24 hours or something. I've already stated that I would support a greymist lynch, if you people actually need me to write a massive "analysis" (although it may not count because Palmar hasn't ordained it) I will.
chill people. Unless I'm wrong we actually have 3 hours. what the fuck? like nobody has voted. Should I hammer myself? This is when people are starting to say "hey there's no resistance to MZ this is bad guys". I know Palmar got the ball rolling on that, but it's kind of out of character for him to not tunnel someone to death. At the time I posted this, the only person who was still supporting the MZ lynch (albeit sarcastically) was MZ - everyone else was either not supporting it or just didn't care.
Page 19, not even half a page below you.
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On June 16 2012 09:34 gonzaw wrote:
lol
Actually I'm reconsidering a Palmar lynch right now...hmm
BrownBear, would you like Palmar lynched today? If not who would you prefer?
I don't have time to flesh this out cause I'm tired and drunk, but I want Palmar dead today.
Reasons will come in bulk soon, but the basic reasoning is someone posted earlier about Palmar's usual scum meta, and how he plays very strongly normal Palmar for the first day or so, then completely fades into the background. I invite you to read the filter and tell me I'm wrong.
Plus, a host of other things he's done that are fairly scummy.
##Vote: Palmar
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Alright, I'm back.
My resoning behind the Palmar lynch is basically what gonzaw and others have posted. He's not playing the way he normally does when he's town, but he was definitely trying to act like he was Day 1. He's switched his opinion on everyone all the time, without ever providing reasons, and hasn't been called on it until now. He's basically skated, and I don't really understand why we didn't call him on it sooner.
He's definitely my target for today, unless something crazy happens, so I'm gonna look forward. One thing I was considering was the possibility of SK choosing to shoot tonight (and I think someone else mentioned that possibility). Given that the game is winding down, I thought it might be a possibility we'll have to account for. In the end though, I really think SK will not shoot tonight, because it's in his interest to shoot at the last possible moment (preferably when it will end the game). If we mislynch and Palmar is town, then SK will be forced to shoot red to keep the game alive (I think) but given the unlikelihood of that possibility, we're going to have SK KP to worry about.
So I think we lynch Palmar today, then worry about who's SK starting today and tomorrow. My "group of scum" would be:
Palmar
Radfield
prphlz
Wiggles
Palmar, case is proven. The other three I'm much less sure about. I'm certain the SK is one of them, though. All 3 have been trying very hard to play pro-town, but little things about their play have just thrown me off and made me question them.
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I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that.
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On June 18 2012 01:12 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that. That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not!
Well, yes. Hence why I said "I will go do that", implying I would go read his filter and decide. Until then, though, I see him as someone where I don't know if he's scum or not, hence, I make no accusations against him.
Erm, duh.
And gonzaw, I have an issue with direct attacks like calling someone "fucking useless". Saying someone is not contributing is a different matter. So I don't have an issue with what Palmar said, I have an issue with the way he said it (and frankly, I don't understand why we let him be as openly hostile as he is).
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On June 18 2012 07:53 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 07:23 GreYMisT wrote:
I think he could be either, I think he is scum before SK though just because he isn't playin it like I would. He has pretty much resigned himself to the town, even though it is palmar getting lynched. With this breathing room he should be helping more, but he chooses not too. You think he could throw that "I don't care you guys are better then me I give up I'll just sheep gonzaw" tantrum as scum? Like Rad said, at this point scum would likely bus Palmar and try to win on their own....prplhz doesn't seem to act like it (bussing Palmar by "sheeping" me and "going against his read" seems kind of odd for a bus). He also doesn't seem to act for his own survival if he was scum. He basically admitted he wouldn't do shit and he's playing like shit, etc; and I don't think I'd expect that of him as scum. If he was scum I'd expect him to push someone else (like Rad) and come up with reasons to cast doubt on him, etc to set up a misslynch on D4 that could win him the game. Or at least he'd try to defend himself a little bit more and be more cautious, specially since a lot of people want him dead. Yes, he could act like this as scum to confuse us or something, but I'm trying to see all possibilities here....and prplhz being town is one of them, so I want to be sure. Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 07:33 BrownBear wrote:On June 18 2012 01:12 Radfield wrote:On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that. That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not! Well, yes. Hence why I said "I will go do that", implying I would go read his filter and decide. Until then, though, I see him as someone where I don't know if he's scum or not, hence, I make no accusations against him. Erm, duh. And gonzaw, I have an issue with direct attacks like calling someone "fucking useless". Saying someone is not contributing is a different matter. So I don't have an issue with what Palmar said, I have an issue with the way he said it (and frankly, I don't understand why we let him be as openly hostile as he is). Why did you just ignore Palmar on D2 even though he attacked you and you attacked him back? Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 12:24 BrownBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, srsly you think I'm scum every game. Find a new target to tunnel bro. Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 18:17 BrownBear wrote:On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote:
damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now.
##Vote gonzaw
I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that?
also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town. Couple things I'd like to see you talk about more here. Firstly, why do you think gonzaw is scum? Could you give us a case? Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it. --- Anyway, I think Hesmyrr is who I'm gonna vote on now, before I go to sleep. gonzaw's case has a couple good points. Namely, during the first day cycle he really did only pop up when he was being talked about. This indicates he was reading the thread very closely, but trying to avoid actively posting in it - usually only done by players who have something to hide. Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr. Secondly, Hesmyrr also is doing the same thing I accused Radfield of doing earlier: He's subtly getting other people to contribute in his stead. Example: On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary. He was the original guy to push VE, but he wants (i think) gonzaw to do the analysis? That's very strange. If he couldn't find enough concrete agruments to merit an analysis post, why does he expect another player to find it for him? Either he's very unsure about his analysis skills (not true, it's Hesmyrr, he's a veteran mafia player) or he doesn't want to post analysis out there himself. It's enough for me right now to vote for Hesmyrr. He and Radfield seem the most suspicious right now, and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger, so... ##Vote: HesmyrrOne final thing: On June 13 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote:
VE shut up
##Vote BrownBear Cute. Now how about you contribute, like I said above. Why do you think I'm scum? Is it because I disagree with you? Because that's the only reason you've got so far. And it's a shitty reason, and I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit about this game and you aren't trying, which is unacceptable in a mini. Ok, I gotta get up in 6 hours, so I'm off. Night, all! You got pretty worked up in that 2nd quote. Even though it was a joke and was explained to you later, at that time you thought it wasn't, and you began attacking Palmar ("I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit..." , etc). However after the joke is "explained"...you never dwell on that again and keep ignoring Palmar until D3. Why is that? Why do you and Palmar take shots against each other on D2 but not act upon them? (well...Palmar did that because he's scum, but I'm asking about you). That whole "I FoS Palmar for a stupid reason. I get angry at him for a stupid reason as well and waste the whole D1 on it.But now I think he's town. Now I'm harrassing him and say he doesn't care about the game and take shots at him for thinking I'm scum. Now I forgot about that and never mention him again. Now he's obvious scum let's lynch him" act of yours seems weird to me
I knew I was jumping on Palmar at the slightest provocation because I was pissed at him still, so I felt like I needed to stop that before it became a distracting issue. Also, like I said earlier, I said even when I thought he was town, at best he was a cancerous town player who was contributing nothing but terrible ideas, and who should be ignored. Hence I ignored him.
He actually played a pretty good scum, and was really good at causing chaos on the first day. I wish I'd been more insistent about my squidgy stomach feeling day two, but at that point I was thinking "I don't want to keep being a dick to Palmar when he doesn't deserve it because I'm mad at him" so I distanced myself.
You are way off base with you thinking I am scum. I don't really know what sort of reasoning "process of elimination" is, because you can be off base with your town reads on people, and that doesn't automatically make me scum. That's terrible play. If you're ever down to people "by process of elimination" you really need to go back and read filters again.
And seriously, not all of us can be on TL all day. 7 hours in between posts was basically my entire work day today. Chillax on that.
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On June 18 2012 15:26 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 15:19 BrownBear wrote:On June 18 2012 07:53 gonzaw wrote:On June 18 2012 07:23 GreYMisT wrote:
I think he could be either, I think he is scum before SK though just because he isn't playin it like I would. He has pretty much resigned himself to the town, even though it is palmar getting lynched. With this breathing room he should be helping more, but he chooses not too. You think he could throw that "I don't care you guys are better then me I give up I'll just sheep gonzaw" tantrum as scum? Like Rad said, at this point scum would likely bus Palmar and try to win on their own....prplhz doesn't seem to act like it (bussing Palmar by "sheeping" me and "going against his read" seems kind of odd for a bus). He also doesn't seem to act for his own survival if he was scum. He basically admitted he wouldn't do shit and he's playing like shit, etc; and I don't think I'd expect that of him as scum. If he was scum I'd expect him to push someone else (like Rad) and come up with reasons to cast doubt on him, etc to set up a misslynch on D4 that could win him the game. Or at least he'd try to defend himself a little bit more and be more cautious, specially since a lot of people want him dead. Yes, he could act like this as scum to confuse us or something, but I'm trying to see all possibilities here....and prplhz being town is one of them, so I want to be sure. On June 18 2012 07:33 BrownBear wrote:On June 18 2012 01:12 Radfield wrote:On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that. That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not! Well, yes. Hence why I said "I will go do that", implying I would go read his filter and decide. Until then, though, I see him as someone where I don't know if he's scum or not, hence, I make no accusations against him. Erm, duh. And gonzaw, I have an issue with direct attacks like calling someone "fucking useless". Saying someone is not contributing is a different matter. So I don't have an issue with what Palmar said, I have an issue with the way he said it (and frankly, I don't understand why we let him be as openly hostile as he is). Why did you just ignore Palmar on D2 even though he attacked you and you attacked him back? On June 13 2012 12:24 BrownBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, srsly you think I'm scum every game. Find a new target to tunnel bro. On June 13 2012 18:17 BrownBear wrote:On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote:
damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now.
##Vote gonzaw
I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that?
also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town. Couple things I'd like to see you talk about more here. Firstly, why do you think gonzaw is scum? Could you give us a case? Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it. --- Anyway, I think Hesmyrr is who I'm gonna vote on now, before I go to sleep. gonzaw's case has a couple good points. Namely, during the first day cycle he really did only pop up when he was being talked about. This indicates he was reading the thread very closely, but trying to avoid actively posting in it - usually only done by players who have something to hide. Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr. Secondly, Hesmyrr also is doing the same thing I accused Radfield of doing earlier: He's subtly getting other people to contribute in his stead. Example: On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary. He was the original guy to push VE, but he wants (i think) gonzaw to do the analysis? That's very strange. If he couldn't find enough concrete agruments to merit an analysis post, why does he expect another player to find it for him? Either he's very unsure about his analysis skills (not true, it's Hesmyrr, he's a veteran mafia player) or he doesn't want to post analysis out there himself. It's enough for me right now to vote for Hesmyrr. He and Radfield seem the most suspicious right now, and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger, so... ##Vote: HesmyrrOne final thing: On June 13 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote:
VE shut up
##Vote BrownBear Cute. Now how about you contribute, like I said above. Why do you think I'm scum? Is it because I disagree with you? Because that's the only reason you've got so far. And it's a shitty reason, and I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit about this game and you aren't trying, which is unacceptable in a mini. Ok, I gotta get up in 6 hours, so I'm off. Night, all! You got pretty worked up in that 2nd quote. Even though it was a joke and was explained to you later, at that time you thought it wasn't, and you began attacking Palmar ("I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit..." , etc). However after the joke is "explained"...you never dwell on that again and keep ignoring Palmar until D3. Why is that? Why do you and Palmar take shots against each other on D2 but not act upon them? (well...Palmar did that because he's scum, but I'm asking about you). That whole "I FoS Palmar for a stupid reason. I get angry at him for a stupid reason as well and waste the whole D1 on it.But now I think he's town. Now I'm harrassing him and say he doesn't care about the game and take shots at him for thinking I'm scum. Now I forgot about that and never mention him again. Now he's obvious scum let's lynch him" act of yours seems weird to me I knew I was jumping on Palmar at the slightest provocation because I was pissed at him still, so I felt like I needed to stop that before it became a distracting issue. Also, like I said earlier, I said even when I thought he was town, at best he was a cancerous town player who was contributing nothing but terrible ideas, and who should be ignored. Hence I ignored him. He actually played a pretty good scum, and was really good at causing chaos on the first day. I wish I'd been more insistent about my squidgy stomach feeling day two, but at that point I was thinking "I don't want to keep being a dick to Palmar when he doesn't deserve it because I'm mad at him" so I distanced myself. You are way off base with you thinking I am scum. I don't really know what sort of reasoning "process of elimination" is, because you can be off base with your town reads on people, and that doesn't automatically make me scum. That's terrible play. If you're ever down to people "by process of elimination" you really need to go back and read filters again. And seriously, not all of us can be on TL all day. 7 hours in between posts was basically my entire work day today. Chillax on that. I don't believe that you'd get so worked up against Palmar just because he called you "fucking useless" ONCE. He also called Ace "fucking useless", so he didn't even single you out. The "process of elimination" is a perk for me thinking you are scum even more (I've already wrote essays about you and your interactions with Palmar before, so I didn't think you were scum just because of a "process of elimination"). Also, you seem to ignore the issue as well. Who's scum?You are defending yourself a little bit too much ever since D3, but you are not scumhunting at all. We are in another LYLO tomorrow and you don't seem to care about it Also have fun defending yourself against that giant case I made against you 
It wasn't just that. He was offensive, loud, irritating, and generally an abrasive player all of day 1. When I called him on it once then disappeared because I was at work, he called me fucking useless. I can't tell if it's just the quality of play has fallen so low that doing something like that is now considered acceptable, or if you're just incapable of realizing that the people you're playing with have feelings, those feelings can get hurt, and that can cause people to be angry. Either way, you need to lay off that, it's a complete misread/red herring/what have you.
As to your case - man, I'm gonna have to read through that tomorrow. I'm going to say this though - if town loses because they lynch me, I know exactly who to blame 
Let's be honest, you can't delude yourself any longer - despite your constant assurances to town that you aren't tunneling and you're open to anything, you've been tunneling me for the last day and a half. Explain that, sir.
I'm starting to think gonzaw is at least suspicious, if not scum. The amount he dominates town discussion worries me.
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On June 18 2012 16:07 gonzaw wrote:
Hey BB, did you consider that proposal I made? You need to find the SK to win, so I'd say you get started on that.
Tunneltunneltunneltunneltunneltunneltunnel
Seriously how do you get away with saying something then not even a page later saying something entirely different?
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will do soon. tired.
sad gonzaw died, he was playing a pretty good game. Although, having him not tunneling me constantly is a good thing now
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Oh, sonofashit, I thougth I had 24 more hours.
Sorry guys!
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