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On June 18 2012 15:19 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 07:53 gonzaw wrote:On June 18 2012 07:23 GreYMisT wrote:
I think he could be either, I think he is scum before SK though just because he isn't playin it like I would. He has pretty much resigned himself to the town, even though it is palmar getting lynched. With this breathing room he should be helping more, but he chooses not too. You think he could throw that "I don't care you guys are better then me I give up I'll just sheep gonzaw" tantrum as scum? Like Rad said, at this point scum would likely bus Palmar and try to win on their own....prplhz doesn't seem to act like it (bussing Palmar by "sheeping" me and "going against his read" seems kind of odd for a bus). He also doesn't seem to act for his own survival if he was scum. He basically admitted he wouldn't do shit and he's playing like shit, etc; and I don't think I'd expect that of him as scum. If he was scum I'd expect him to push someone else (like Rad) and come up with reasons to cast doubt on him, etc to set up a misslynch on D4 that could win him the game. Or at least he'd try to defend himself a little bit more and be more cautious, specially since a lot of people want him dead. Yes, he could act like this as scum to confuse us or something, but I'm trying to see all possibilities here....and prplhz being town is one of them, so I want to be sure. On June 18 2012 07:33 BrownBear wrote:On June 18 2012 01:12 Radfield wrote:On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that. That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not! Well, yes. Hence why I said "I will go do that", implying I would go read his filter and decide. Until then, though, I see him as someone where I don't know if he's scum or not, hence, I make no accusations against him. Erm, duh. And gonzaw, I have an issue with direct attacks like calling someone "fucking useless". Saying someone is not contributing is a different matter. So I don't have an issue with what Palmar said, I have an issue with the way he said it (and frankly, I don't understand why we let him be as openly hostile as he is). Why did you just ignore Palmar on D2 even though he attacked you and you attacked him back? On June 13 2012 12:24 BrownBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, srsly you think I'm scum every game. Find a new target to tunnel bro. On June 13 2012 18:17 BrownBear wrote:On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote:
damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now.
##Vote gonzaw
I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that?
also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town. Couple things I'd like to see you talk about more here. Firstly, why do you think gonzaw is scum? Could you give us a case? Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it. --- Anyway, I think Hesmyrr is who I'm gonna vote on now, before I go to sleep. gonzaw's case has a couple good points. Namely, during the first day cycle he really did only pop up when he was being talked about. This indicates he was reading the thread very closely, but trying to avoid actively posting in it - usually only done by players who have something to hide. Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr. Secondly, Hesmyrr also is doing the same thing I accused Radfield of doing earlier: He's subtly getting other people to contribute in his stead. Example: On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary. He was the original guy to push VE, but he wants (i think) gonzaw to do the analysis? That's very strange. If he couldn't find enough concrete agruments to merit an analysis post, why does he expect another player to find it for him? Either he's very unsure about his analysis skills (not true, it's Hesmyrr, he's a veteran mafia player) or he doesn't want to post analysis out there himself. It's enough for me right now to vote for Hesmyrr. He and Radfield seem the most suspicious right now, and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger, so... ##Vote: HesmyrrOne final thing: On June 13 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote:
VE shut up
##Vote BrownBear Cute. Now how about you contribute, like I said above. Why do you think I'm scum? Is it because I disagree with you? Because that's the only reason you've got so far. And it's a shitty reason, and I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit about this game and you aren't trying, which is unacceptable in a mini. Ok, I gotta get up in 6 hours, so I'm off. Night, all! You got pretty worked up in that 2nd quote. Even though it was a joke and was explained to you later, at that time you thought it wasn't, and you began attacking Palmar ("I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit..." , etc). However after the joke is "explained"...you never dwell on that again and keep ignoring Palmar until D3. Why is that? Why do you and Palmar take shots against each other on D2 but not act upon them? (well...Palmar did that because he's scum, but I'm asking about you). That whole "I FoS Palmar for a stupid reason. I get angry at him for a stupid reason as well and waste the whole D1 on it.But now I think he's town. Now I'm harrassing him and say he doesn't care about the game and take shots at him for thinking I'm scum. Now I forgot about that and never mention him again. Now he's obvious scum let's lynch him" act of yours seems weird to me I knew I was jumping on Palmar at the slightest provocation because I was pissed at him still, so I felt like I needed to stop that before it became a distracting issue. Also, like I said earlier, I said even when I thought he was town, at best he was a cancerous town player who was contributing nothing but terrible ideas, and who should be ignored. Hence I ignored him. He actually played a pretty good scum, and was really good at causing chaos on the first day. I wish I'd been more insistent about my squidgy stomach feeling day two, but at that point I was thinking "I don't want to keep being a dick to Palmar when he doesn't deserve it because I'm mad at him" so I distanced myself. You are way off base with you thinking I am scum. I don't really know what sort of reasoning "process of elimination" is, because you can be off base with your town reads on people, and that doesn't automatically make me scum. That's terrible play. If you're ever down to people "by process of elimination" you really need to go back and read filters again. And seriously, not all of us can be on TL all day. 7 hours in between posts was basically my entire work day today. Chillax on that.
I don't believe that you'd get so worked up against Palmar just because he called you "fucking useless" ONCE. He also called Ace "fucking useless", so he didn't even single you out.
The "process of elimination" is a perk for me thinking you are scum even more (I've already wrote essays about you and your interactions with Palmar before, so I didn't think you were scum just because of a "process of elimination").
Also, you seem to ignore the issue as well. Who's scum?
You are defending yourself a little bit too much ever since D3, but you are not scumhunting at all. We are in another LYLO tomorrow and you don't seem to care about it
Also have fun defending yourself against that giant case I made against you 
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Again like I said we are in LYLO so I'll not tunnel or anything and take every option into account.
Rad if you still think BB is town and prplhz or Wiggles is mafia, then try to convince me, I won't just dismiss that situation at all since I don't want to screw up like with the Hes lynch.
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About prplhz:
Hmm, now that I think about it prplhz's behaviour does seem consistent with a SK that just gave up and forfeited
If he's SK, he knows that he has to survive like 3 more lynches, but as soon as he stepped into the thread everybody were already thinking he was scum (because of chaoser) and he could do nothing to remedy that.
When he posts he doesn't seem to care about town, for instance like when I said here:
On June 17 2012 07:23 gonzaw wrote:
Palmar has 3 votes on him, the only other guy with votes on him is me (Palmar voted me).
prplhz, do you plan on doing anything? You said you think Palmar is town, you see Palmar will get lynched today, therefore you know that today will be a misslynch and we'll lost the game.
Do you care about that at all? I don't see you reacting at all to the fact Palmar is getting lynched, and I don't see you trying to do anything at all to actually push a Radfield lynch.
I don't expect you to do the "heavy lifting" and lead town one way or the other, but I expect you to have thoughts, opinions and act on them.
If you think someone is town, it is LYLO and that guy is getting lynched, then it's your obligation to either rethink your stance on him or try to stop that lynch (like I did on the Radfield lynch of D2) and/or push forward a lynch on someone you think is scum.
I don't see you doing anything like that at all, so even if you "suck", but your own POV you should be acting completely different than you are acting right now.
Unless there's some deep psychological issue here (like you replaced into a game you didn't want to play so you don't actually give a fuck about anything and you know you are likely going to lose, so why even try? Or maybe something like that), then there's no reason for you to behave like you are doing in LYLO.
We are in LYLO, a guy is accused and is going to be lynched; and not only that but it's a guy he has a town read on, but he doesn't care, even though from his POV we'd be heading towards a certain loss.
However his behaviour from a scum point of view doesn't make sense for reasons mentioned early (about him and chaoser). Unless scum already conceded I don't see him acting like that, and I don't think Palmar would have let him concede by then.
So yeah, I think BB is scum and prplhz is SK for now, anything else would need me to seriously reconsider my reads; although if I'm alive by D4 I'll try to reread everything again to be sure.
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On June 18 2012 16:01 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 15:26 gonzaw wrote:On June 18 2012 15:19 BrownBear wrote:On June 18 2012 07:53 gonzaw wrote:On June 18 2012 07:23 GreYMisT wrote:
I think he could be either, I think he is scum before SK though just because he isn't playin it like I would. He has pretty much resigned himself to the town, even though it is palmar getting lynched. With this breathing room he should be helping more, but he chooses not too. You think he could throw that "I don't care you guys are better then me I give up I'll just sheep gonzaw" tantrum as scum? Like Rad said, at this point scum would likely bus Palmar and try to win on their own....prplhz doesn't seem to act like it (bussing Palmar by "sheeping" me and "going against his read" seems kind of odd for a bus). He also doesn't seem to act for his own survival if he was scum. He basically admitted he wouldn't do shit and he's playing like shit, etc; and I don't think I'd expect that of him as scum. If he was scum I'd expect him to push someone else (like Rad) and come up with reasons to cast doubt on him, etc to set up a misslynch on D4 that could win him the game. Or at least he'd try to defend himself a little bit more and be more cautious, specially since a lot of people want him dead. Yes, he could act like this as scum to confuse us or something, but I'm trying to see all possibilities here....and prplhz being town is one of them, so I want to be sure. On June 18 2012 07:33 BrownBear wrote:On June 18 2012 01:12 Radfield wrote:On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that. That's hardly a reason to see someone as town.... In fact, it's not! Well, yes. Hence why I said "I will go do that", implying I would go read his filter and decide. Until then, though, I see him as someone where I don't know if he's scum or not, hence, I make no accusations against him. Erm, duh. And gonzaw, I have an issue with direct attacks like calling someone "fucking useless". Saying someone is not contributing is a different matter. So I don't have an issue with what Palmar said, I have an issue with the way he said it (and frankly, I don't understand why we let him be as openly hostile as he is). Why did you just ignore Palmar on D2 even though he attacked you and you attacked him back? On June 13 2012 12:24 BrownBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, srsly you think I'm scum every game. Find a new target to tunnel bro. On June 13 2012 18:17 BrownBear wrote:On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote:
damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now.
##Vote gonzaw
I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that?
also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town. Couple things I'd like to see you talk about more here. Firstly, why do you think gonzaw is scum? Could you give us a case? Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it. --- Anyway, I think Hesmyrr is who I'm gonna vote on now, before I go to sleep. gonzaw's case has a couple good points. Namely, during the first day cycle he really did only pop up when he was being talked about. This indicates he was reading the thread very closely, but trying to avoid actively posting in it - usually only done by players who have something to hide. Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr. Secondly, Hesmyrr also is doing the same thing I accused Radfield of doing earlier: He's subtly getting other people to contribute in his stead. Example: On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:Hesmyrr, you pushed VE, you're obviously around as you posted an hour ago, yet you are not contributing at all to the lynch. Do you still think VE is the best lynch? Is anyone else on your radar? Pitch in. I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary. He was the original guy to push VE, but he wants (i think) gonzaw to do the analysis? That's very strange. If he couldn't find enough concrete agruments to merit an analysis post, why does he expect another player to find it for him? Either he's very unsure about his analysis skills (not true, it's Hesmyrr, he's a veteran mafia player) or he doesn't want to post analysis out there himself. It's enough for me right now to vote for Hesmyrr. He and Radfield seem the most suspicious right now, and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger, so... ##Vote: HesmyrrOne final thing: On June 13 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote:
VE shut up
##Vote BrownBear Cute. Now how about you contribute, like I said above. Why do you think I'm scum? Is it because I disagree with you? Because that's the only reason you've got so far. And it's a shitty reason, and I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit about this game and you aren't trying, which is unacceptable in a mini. Ok, I gotta get up in 6 hours, so I'm off. Night, all! You got pretty worked up in that 2nd quote. Even though it was a joke and was explained to you later, at that time you thought it wasn't, and you began attacking Palmar ("I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit..." , etc). However after the joke is "explained"...you never dwell on that again and keep ignoring Palmar until D3. Why is that? Why do you and Palmar take shots against each other on D2 but not act upon them? (well...Palmar did that because he's scum, but I'm asking about you). That whole "I FoS Palmar for a stupid reason. I get angry at him for a stupid reason as well and waste the whole D1 on it.But now I think he's town. Now I'm harrassing him and say he doesn't care about the game and take shots at him for thinking I'm scum. Now I forgot about that and never mention him again. Now he's obvious scum let's lynch him" act of yours seems weird to me I knew I was jumping on Palmar at the slightest provocation because I was pissed at him still, so I felt like I needed to stop that before it became a distracting issue. Also, like I said earlier, I said even when I thought he was town, at best he was a cancerous town player who was contributing nothing but terrible ideas, and who should be ignored. Hence I ignored him. He actually played a pretty good scum, and was really good at causing chaos on the first day. I wish I'd been more insistent about my squidgy stomach feeling day two, but at that point I was thinking "I don't want to keep being a dick to Palmar when he doesn't deserve it because I'm mad at him" so I distanced myself. You are way off base with you thinking I am scum. I don't really know what sort of reasoning "process of elimination" is, because you can be off base with your town reads on people, and that doesn't automatically make me scum. That's terrible play. If you're ever down to people "by process of elimination" you really need to go back and read filters again. And seriously, not all of us can be on TL all day. 7 hours in between posts was basically my entire work day today. Chillax on that. I don't believe that you'd get so worked up against Palmar just because he called you "fucking useless" ONCE. He also called Ace "fucking useless", so he didn't even single you out. The "process of elimination" is a perk for me thinking you are scum even more (I've already wrote essays about you and your interactions with Palmar before, so I didn't think you were scum just because of a "process of elimination"). Also, you seem to ignore the issue as well. Who's scum?You are defending yourself a little bit too much ever since D3, but you are not scumhunting at all. We are in another LYLO tomorrow and you don't seem to care about it Also have fun defending yourself against that giant case I made against you It wasn't just that. He was offensive, loud, irritating, and generally an abrasive player all of day 1. When I called him on it once then disappeared because I was at work, he called me fucking useless. I can't tell if it's just the quality of play has fallen so low that doing something like that is now considered acceptable, or if you're just incapable of realizing that the people you're playing with have feelings, those feelings can get hurt, and that can cause people to be angry. Either way, you need to lay off that, it's a complete misread/red herring/what have you. As to your case - man, I'm gonna have to read through that tomorrow. I'm going to say this though - if town loses because they lynch me, I know exactly who to blame  Let's be honest, you can't delude yourself any longer - despite your constant assurances to town that you aren't tunneling and you're open to anything, you've been tunneling me for the last day and a half. Explain that, sir. I'm starting to think gonzaw is at least suspicious, if not scum. The amount he dominates town discussion worries me.
I'll let my other smart town partners figure out what's wrong with this post
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Hey BB, did you consider that proposal I made? You need to find the SK to win, so I'd say you get started on that.
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On June 18 2012 16:05 gonzaw wrote:About prplhz:Hmm, now that I think about it prplhz's behaviour does seem consistent with a SK that just gave up and forfeited If he's SK, he knows that he has to survive like 3 more lynches, but as soon as he stepped into the thread everybody were already thinking he was scum (because of chaoser) and he could do nothing to remedy that. When he posts he doesn't seem to care about town, for instance like when I said here: Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 07:23 gonzaw wrote:
Palmar has 3 votes on him, the only other guy with votes on him is me (Palmar voted me).
prplhz, do you plan on doing anything? You said you think Palmar is town, you see Palmar will get lynched today, therefore you know that today will be a misslynch and we'll lost the game.
Do you care about that at all? I don't see you reacting at all to the fact Palmar is getting lynched, and I don't see you trying to do anything at all to actually push a Radfield lynch.
I don't expect you to do the "heavy lifting" and lead town one way or the other, but I expect you to have thoughts, opinions and act on them.
If you think someone is town, it is LYLO and that guy is getting lynched, then it's your obligation to either rethink your stance on him or try to stop that lynch (like I did on the Radfield lynch of D2) and/or push forward a lynch on someone you think is scum.
I don't see you doing anything like that at all, so even if you "suck", but your own POV you should be acting completely different than you are acting right now.
Unless there's some deep psychological issue here (like you replaced into a game you didn't want to play so you don't actually give a fuck about anything and you know you are likely going to lose, so why even try? Or maybe something like that), then there's no reason for you to behave like you are doing in LYLO. We are in LYLO, a guy is accused and is going to be lynched; and not only that but it's a guy he has a town read on, but he doesn't care, even though from his POV we'd be heading towards a certain loss. However his behaviour from a scum point of view doesn't make sense for reasons mentioned early (about him and chaoser). Unless scum already conceded I don't see him acting like that, and I don't think Palmar would have let him concede by then. So yeah, I think BB is scum and prplhz is SK for now, anything else would need me to seriously reconsider my reads; although if I'm alive by D4 I'll try to reread everything again to be sure.
There's also the fact that he spent way too much time explaining why I was SK:
On June 17 2012 06:31 prplhz wrote:
Like, gonzaw just did two huge posts on Palmar. One of them says that Palmar is scum because he is too confident in himself, lol have you never played with Palmar before?
Anyway, then in his next post he's like "We can lynch prplhz, whatever". At the same time, when I ask for help after having replaced into the middle of a game and expressing my insecurities about playing with you lot, he doesn't seem interested at all. He doesn't appear to want to help me get started or anything. GreYMisT thinks I'm scum but he's been pushing me for something at least. gonzaw doesn't look like he cares and for absolutely no reason. It looks to me like he's just doing whatever this game and that seems 3rd partyish to me. 8 page filter and then I still don't get the feeling that he actually cares about town this game.
He spends too much effort to explain to people why I'm SK. He doesn't think I'm scum though, just SK.
Also take into account he said he wanted to lynch Rad and BB first...but he doesn't go into detail on why they are scum, yet he does go into detail on why I'm SK.
This seems like an obvious attempt to shift attention off the SK to someone else, so people don't start thinking he himself is SK.
Okay I've posted EVERYTHING I've got, people do well with this info once I die (if I don't die I'll be completely baffled by scum''s play)
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On June 18 2012 17:10 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 16:07 gonzaw wrote:
Hey BB, did you consider that proposal I made? You need to find the SK to win, so I'd say you get started on that. Tunneltunneltunneltunneltunneltunneltunnel Seriously how do you get away with saying something then not even a page later saying something entirely different?
Aw would it make you feel better if I say that perhaps prplhz would be a better lynch than you? (I for once agree with Wiggles here that I don't think prplhz is town at all, although I think he's SK, but a SK lynch wouldn't be bad either).
Anyways BB, your behaviour right now since being called out reeks mafia, so it's making me more confident in you being one (for more proof of this check BB's last post).
If I change my mind on something it happens because I reread filters and the thread and I changed my mind. Something you promised to do several times here:
On June 12 2012 11:33 BrownBear wrote:Still figuring that one out. I will post when I have a clearer picture. There isn't really a time crunch at the moment, s o I hope you don't mind if I take my time during the night cycle and read carefully.
On June 13 2012 15:42 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 14:51 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, off to reread the thread!
(I think it will be the 1st time I'll ever reread a thread since it's beginning and not just read filters, I'm so excited!)
Up to page 11, and I already have new info and revelations :O :O :O
This is fun. Good idea. Since it's a small thread, pretty easy to do, I'd encourage more people to do this as well! I'm off to do the same thing.
On June 13 2012 17:19 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 16:02 gonzaw wrote:On June 12 2012 11:33 BrownBear wrote:On June 12 2012 09:39 gonzaw wrote:
So....who do you think is scum? Still figuring that one out. I will post when I have a clearer picture. There isn't really a time crunch at the moment, so I hope you don't mind if I take my time during the night cycle and read carefully. BrownBear, before doing anything....do you have the "clearer picture" yet? You promised to "take your time during the night cycle and read carefully"...I assumed you had done that in the night cycle, right? What did you conclude by then? I did not have time, unfortunately. With 72 hours to go at the time, I thought I would be okay not sacrificing sleep to get through the thread. I'm feeling like Radfield or Hesmyrr would be a good target. gonzaw already built a case against Hesmyrr that has some salient points (example: only appearing when his name comes up means he was reading the thread closely, but not contributing information unless he has to, which is a scum trait). I'm not 100% convinced yet because of hesmyrr's complete absence, but dude's got some 'splainin to do when he gets back. As to Radfield, I've mentioned a couple things about him that make me iffy, but one other thing I noticed. Take a look at a sampling of Radfield posts around lynch time and in the night after: Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:46 Radfield wrote:Rest assured, If you're still the scummiest player after I finish filtering, I will push you Happy You're right though, he really only been 'in your face' with Palmar, but that doesn't make it look like a show. Can you lay out for me in a clear and concise format why you think MZ is the best lynch today? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:58 Radfield wrote:
Chaoser, I don't really see the Greymist case right now. I certainly don't see much wrong with his response to the Vanilla Town thing. What specifically do you see as the reasons for voting Grey? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 07:42 Radfield wrote:On June 12 2012 07:33 Hesmyrr wrote:I actually wanted to let the conversation play out longer and see if it further justifies my doubts, but since I already wrote about VisceraEyes - Radfield connection I'll try my best to explain why I feel bad about these two, which started from here. His first three paragraphs reveal he feels wish-washy about MZ and I found it suspect how he was being conservative with his vote even at that situation, not voting for his current biggest scum-read. The tone of post is such that it makes him open for voting both, like Radfield will post his case and will let himself be "persuaded" by VisceraEyes so I wanted to gauge strength of the argument. Then VisceraEyes started picking up bunch of freebie townie points by talking about it with him. I guess I just didn't see reason Radfield would refrain posting his analysis at this critical juncture. He did fix most of the problems I had with him at time of this posting so I'll see how his argument turns out and determine whether to stick with VE depending on situation. I do have to leave for moment but I will be back in order to change my vote if needed. I don't get it. You were here before that conversation even started, yet were making no attempt to push VE. Also, are you insinuating that me and VE are scum buddies together? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 18:43 Radfield wrote:
Wiggles, that's all well and good, but those posts are startlingly neutral.
Who would you have voted for yesterday. Who do you think is playing scummy. All of these posts raise questions, which are a good thing. However, the number of Rad's posts that raise questions is far greater than the number of posts that provide answers. This isn't scummy in and of itself, but it could be a way to hide a lack of contribution - you can say you're contributing by "provoking town discussion" by asking questions, but in actuality, you aren't contributing anything, which could be seen as a scummy action... Gah, I dunno. It's a ton of little things about Radfield's play this game that make me suspicious. But none of them are actually big enough for me to outright point at and say "this is good evidence for you being scum". I need to stop tunneling and look around some more.
On June 18 2012 00:57 BrownBear wrote:
I think Greymist is town because I haven't really been able to read through his filter, and don't have much of a read on him. I will do that.
Also gonzaw, don't try to play when you're drunk. Bad things happen. I'll wait for you to come back when sober and clarify what you meant by all of that.
But never fulfilled your promises.
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Well I feel lonely and bored with nobody around 
*cries*
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Well....thank you guys for ignoring everything I've said these past few pages
(you know, some thoughts on BB would be nice)
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Proposal to scum
So scum, have you figured out who the SK is already? I'm sure you have some ideas...but I'm also sure you have some doubts.
I myself have some doubts as well. Some people expressed doubt that Rad or Grey could be SK, and well....they could. Wiggles could be SK as well, prplhz is an obvious choice, but also I could be SK in the minds of many people.
So...who's SK? Have you figured it out yet? If you did...are you confident in your read?
Remember, tomorrow you NEED to lynch the SK if you want to have a chance to win this game, so your whole game rests on that read of yours.
Now I tell you....why risk your whole game on that read of yours? Even if you play perfectly tomorrow and get the SK lynched, if you had a bad read and ended up lynching a townie you will lose (as well as we).
Now, I have an alternative for you:
Shoot the SK tonight
So, let's say you think prplhz or Grey or Rad is the SK.....I want you to shoot who you think is the SK tonight.
Why? Well, let's analyze the different scenarios: You shooting a townie and you shooting the SK
- Shooting a townie:
Tomorrow will be D5: 3-1-1
For reasons stated before, you have to get the SK lynched
You are not sure who the SK is though, so you need to gamble on a read of yours to get him lynched.
If you do get him lynched, then you will be in a D6: 2-1 LYLO
- Shooting the SK:
Tomorrow will be D5: 4-1-1
For reasons stated before, you have to get the SK lynched
However, since you shot the SK and he didn't die, you are 100% sure he's the SK. You know who he is so you are confident on your read on him. You know that if you get him lynched, he will flip SK.
If you do get him lynched then you will be in a D6: 3-1 MYLO
Now....can you see why this is better for you? Here I'll point out the mayor differences:
Shooting a townie:
1)You have to lynch the SK, but you don't know who he is
2)If you do lynch him, you'll be in a 2-1 LYLO situation
Shooting the SK:
1)You have to lynch the SK, but you DO know who he is
2)If you do lynch him, you'll be in a 3-1 MYLO situation
Do you see the benefits? For one, you'll be 100% confident on your push on the SK and will know that you only have to get him lynched. On the other hand, you'll arrive at a 3-1 MYLO instead of 2-1 LYLO, meaning it will be easier for you to hide along side that 1 new suspect.
Maybe you are asking yourself: Why should I trust you?
Don't get me wrong...I want to kill you as well. However, I already said this before: We have a common enemy.
Therefore, I'll do all I can to help you kill that common enemy of ours, while giving benefits to both of our factions.
Benefits to you:
The ones said above, you are 100% sure who the SK is to lynch him, and you'll arrive at a 3-1 MYLO instead of a 2-1 LYLO
Benefits to town:
We won't have a townie killed tonight, and because you know who the SK is we can gain info from this to get him lynched tomorrow, or at least to get him lynched later
See? It's a win-win situation, so I'd suggest you take this proposal.
Now, who would be the SK?
Well, if you ask my humble opinion, I think it's prplhz, so I'd suggest you shoot prplhz tonight.
Here are some reasons I think prplhz is SK
We still have 5 minutes before the night ends, so you can still change your night kill. I suggest you take 1 or 2 minutes to think about it and hopefully choose wisely your night kill.
Think about it...
Sincerely, Town
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Damn I wanted to post this earlier but I was at uni
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So yeah...it's most likely I'll die tonight (if the scum didn't read that post by now and his kill was on me).
People, reread everything I posted and take it into account....but don't sheep me, take it into account but make your own analysis' to catch the remaining scum/SK.
I've said everything I needed to say this night, so au revoir
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Fucking ninja'd!
GL town 
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lol if I lose Bang Bang Mafia 2...then I'd have won 4 games in a row, drew 1, and then lost 4 games in a row
lol (temporary) bad streak continues
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RADFIELD SHOT N1?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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On June 21 2012 11:52 Ace wrote:
you need to stop relying on meta and just read the game. That goes for everyone. You guys misuse "meta" so much it hurts.
Well, I got the "meta" thing right with Palmar, which was basically one of the most important things that made me rethink my stance on him (specially after Liar Game).
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EPT
