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On June 05 2012 05:09 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 04:56 prplhz wrote:
@slOosh You are voting Toadesstern more so because of his defence than because of Radfield's case. You point out that he is focusing too much on the scumslip even though people aren't taking that seriously and that he is rambling about irrelevant stuff such as team balance.
I think these are poor reasons for voting Toadesstern.
Townies will explain their actions, and if the scumslip just requires more explanation than the rest then so be it. You seem to think that it's a scum tell that he didn't analyse the thread for what people were mostly angry with him about, and then address that the hardest. I would say that that would be a scummy thing to do. He addressed all points in Radfield's case, and it's not like the scumslip isn't convincing anybody, it's convinced Radfield, Kurumi, and you. The rambling about team balance is a bit weird but it looks genuine enough to me. Townies don't want to get lynched either.
Fact is that even if he is scum, it was a slip. He didn't intend on it himself. He even has a story about how he considered that very line several times and how something someone else said in another game convinced him about whatever. This looks quite townie to me. I think that if scum are worried about a line, then they just god damn delete it, problem solved. He obviously dwelt at that line for some time and yet he ended up writing it even though scum are usually very paranoid. They think everything they write is scummy because they're inherently biased because they know that they're scum!
So, do you really think that Toadesstern is scum just because he apparently addressed the scumslip a little harder than the rest of the points and because he started rambling a bit? What about everything else he did in this game, has that been scummy or is that null to you? Why are you defending Toadesstern?
I don't even understand this question.
Could you provide me with an example answer so that I may get an idea about what's going on inside your head?
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On June 05 2012 05:30 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 04:56 prplhz wrote:
@slOosh You are voting Toadesstern more so because of his defence than because of Radfield's case. You point out that he is focusing too much on the scumslip even though people aren't taking that seriously and that he is rambling about irrelevant stuff such as team balance.
I think these are poor reasons for voting Toadesstern.
Townies will explain their actions, and if the scumslip just requires more explanation than the rest then so be it. You seem to think that it's a scum tell that he didn't analyse the thread for what people were mostly angry with him about, and then address that the hardest. I would say that that would be a scummy thing to do. He addressed all points in Radfield's case, and it's not like the scumslip isn't convincing anybody, it's convinced Radfield, Kurumi, and you. The rambling about team balance is a bit weird but it looks genuine enough to me. Townies don't want to get lynched either.
Fact is that even if he is scum, it was a slip. He didn't intend on it himself. He even has a story about how he considered that very line several times and how something someone else said in another game convinced him about whatever. This looks quite townie to me. I think that if scum are worried about a line, then they just god damn delete it, problem solved. He obviously dwelt at that line for some time and yet he ended up writing it even though scum are usually very paranoid. They think everything they write is scummy because they're inherently biased because they know that they're scum!
So, do you really think that Toadesstern is scum just because he apparently addressed the scumslip a little harder than the rest of the points and because he started rambling a bit? What about everything else he did in this game, has that been scummy or is that null to you? Where are you getting the impression that the scumslip is why I think he is scum? This thread is on the lower side of post count. After Radfield's one time response against Toad's initial defense, Toad responds by specifically pointing out the scumslip. It is he himself who brings all the focus and attention on this point. It's only then that Radfield bites and they have that back and forth. This isn't a matter of his inability to discern what people's major suspicions on him are - because there aren't any in the thread yet! He is selectively choosing what to respond to - e.g. from this post by Radfield, he only responds to the third point. You seem to be doing the thing that Toad is doing and reading out of context. At the time no one expressed that the scumslip was the most damning aspect of the case.
I am not really getting that impression. I wrote in the very first sentence "You are voting Toadesstern more so because of his defence than because of Radfield's case".
Toadesstern responded to every single point 2 posts after Radfield's case. He then devoted a little more time to the scumslip, I don't really know why but he has a little story about it, and it blows up because this is what a lot of people latch on to and it becomes the hot topic.
So you point is that it's he is scum, it's a real slip, and that's why he's so worried about it? Dunno, I don't think that it is. I think it looks like he had some more stuff to say about one point and then he said that. The whole "wherebugsgo said something in another game and then I wrote something and then deleted some of it" sounds too genuine to be something he's making up, the same with the "d2 means night1"-thing. If anything, his fast response to Radfield looks kinda like he isn't afraid of him, he doesn't gauge reactions of anything, he just goes straight for him.
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Okay lets hammer Toadesstern.
I don't get why you are afraid of dying Radfield and I don't like how you are wobbling on risk.nuke. First "he's very likely scum" and then god damn 5 minutes later you didn't read his filter and you have no idea.
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talismania with the god damn ninja vote right there. After I say I'm going to hammer Toadesstern but without posting in the thread and while pushing risk.nuke.
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"... without posting in the thread and while pushing risk.nuke." goes for both of us.
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Woops talismania wasn't who I thought he was, ignore most of that!
gg toad
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Really nice analysis, so good I didn't even really understand it 
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'cause you're going to claim medic?
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Maybe if you're innocent child.
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Why I am lynching risk.nuke:
His weird comment on Zephirdd.
How he didn't have a read on Toadesstern but was confident that he'd get one later.
How he didn't try to participate in this game, even in face of his imminent lynch.
##Vote: risk.nuke
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... we could talk about how we don't have a 1-shot cop, we don't have a vigilante, and we don't have a medic so we have a tracker and an innocent child?
We also have some poisons left:
24 hour day
Secret ballot
Hidden flip
Mayoral election
I think we should pick mayoral election for tomorrow and then consider having the innocent child claim. If we find someone else that people will agree is town then I don't think we should have the innocent child claim right away because an innocent child in LYLO could be devastating for scum. We should consider if there's someone else we can agree to elect and if not, then have the innocent child can claim for instant election. Talking about who we think is town might also give us a little more content to find the last scum. If risk.nuke flips scum then there's going to be zero scum influence on the election so we don't have to worry about that.
Also, if risk.nuke flips scum then hidden flip becomes a freebie. So does secret ballot. 24 hour day isn't going to be a problem if we ever get that far. So no more poison!
+ Show Spoiler +Also, am I the only one who thinks it's annoying that they're hosting Pick Your Poison and Pick Your Power at the same time and keeps clicking the wrong thread and thinking "since when did marvellosity play in my game?" 
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Also, since no one claimed roleblocked we can assume that they have a 2-shot framer, and since two cycles have passed we can be kind of sure that he used both his shots. Since we don't have any other visiting roles and a night killing scum will always visit someone, our tracker is essentially a cop now. So make sure you breadcrumb everything for everybody else in case you die.
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you better not be town or your d2 performance has been inexcusable
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i don't know if this is really all that useful. look as if he's just messing with us 
at least i hope so ...
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... but instead you're doing it now? why is this guaranteed win?
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meh if you gave up in advance and didn't even try then you played bad in my opinion.
i don't even know what "fuck you zombies" means.
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@Kurumi Why do you think that Sbrubbles is a good lynch?
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Since it's LYLO tomorrow, innocent child should claim right away so we can focus on nailing scum.
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F5 and win lol. Postgame!
@Sbrubbles Yea hope you get over your anxiety, sorry for yelling at you day1 and hope to play with you again I don't think you played bad at all and you were absolutely defensible, this was just an uphill struggle for scum.
@Kurumi I never understand what you're saying but then you nailed two scum in the end so you obviously played really well (except the whole going hard for Radfield and me but as long as it ended up in you wanting to lynch scum!). I thought you were scummy for some meta reasons at some point but I didn't want to push you 'cause other than that there wasn't much to go for. I think I once saw you write "I can't be meta'd" and I guess you're right  I don't think that claiming vigilante and threatening someone is going to work though, if scum had a roleblocker they would have roleblocked you that night and you'd have thought I was scum or something like that. If anything it showed that you weren't blue 'cause you weren't afraid of getting roleblocked.
@Zephirdd You played well and managed to establish yourself as townie to everybody and even attracted a night hit and that's really good!
@HiroPro You also played well even though I still don't understand how you could think that there was a chance of godfather being picked for scum
@Navillus Yea it's not all that great to be lynched day1. A little more effort was all it required, 2 measly posts on day1 isn't a lot.
@talismania "When I'm scum I appear town and when I'm town I appear very town" is so accurate! I actually had you down as scummy from your very first line in your very first post ("I had these thoughts pregame" seemed like you were distancing yourself from your own ideas!) but then you seemed townie but then I thought to myself "In Space Station you knew he was town 12 hours into the game, why do you have these nagging suspicions?" Really well played by you.
@Toadesstern You played well until Radfield "nailed your ass to the wall" but that could happen to anybody. Which is why you always shoot Radfield night1 as scum. I thought it was so weird that you didn't pick medic and then you didn't shoot Radfield 'cause he would be the very obvious medic target.
@wherebugsgo l0l you don't need any sort of feedback from me
@Radfield Same But nice analysis on Toadesstern, I know I'll be coming back and reading that again.
@risk.nuke Sorry for being on your back about your day2 performance but I know you could have done a lot better.
@slOosh Played well, I didn't expect you to be innocent child at all because you weren't all too vocal but you managed to establish yourself as town and no one ever pointed a finger at you while you figured out the scum team. Well done.
I think scum's biggest mistake was not to kill Radfield on night1. The only reason you didn't pick medic was so you could shoot Radfield. wherebugsgo wasn't putting a lot of effort into this game and whatever he said could have been manipulated by you. Zephirdd on night3 was alright.
I also disagree that the risk.nuke lynch was all bad, it was bad in the sense that he was townie but it was good in the sense that he looked scummy. There's a reason you get all votes in the game except your own. The rest of the lynches were okay too, Navilus obviously being the worst.
@Bluelightz I don't understand how I played strange in your eyes, but Kurumi didn't
By the way, I tracked Sbrubbles, risk.nuke, Kurumi and I didn't get anything on anyone.
Thanks to kitaman27 and Bluelightz for hosting Great fun was had!
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The town atmosphere in this game was really good, a lot of analysis and few one liners, no one had pissing contests or anything. I think that short games won by mafia is because people were lazy, short games won by town is because of awesome town atmosphere.
Look at how little "idiot" "retard" "stupid" "moron" "dumb" there was in this game:
"idiot" was said 9 times, all referring to I'm A Cop You Idiot.
Toadesstern was the only player who was ever called retarded, and that was by himself!
Zephirdd called himself stupid, I called myself stupid, and Sbrubbles called innocent child a stupidly good role.
No "moron".
When it comes to "dumb" then I'm the biggest sinner, but never directly against another player, only in hypothetical situations ("I think it would be dumb to shoot me!")
About Toadesstern/risk.nuke, of course Toadesstern was the best lynch but I didn't realize it. I thought he was kind of townie looking and he explained himself well but I eventually got around (I would have hammered Toadesstern but I wanted to see if someone else would hammer him after I said I would).
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