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On June 05 2012 07:27 Sbrubbles wrote: Woot! Gogogo Rad! Could we have your current thoughts on prplhz? | ||
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Hiro covered the basics so I'll try to hit the other points I see. On June 03 2012 23:50 risk.nuke wrote: I think we should lynch zephirdd for two reasons. 1. It will shed light on the voteswitch. It is infact very important that we learn zephirdds aligntment or we'll just stab ourselves in the foot if he turns out to be town. 2. Wbg was for lynching 3 people. Myself, Navillus and Zephirdd (And kurumi who he might not have pushed for because he didn't think he could get him lynched). Wbg was killed which indicates that the mafia believed he was on to something. Knowing that I am town, Navillus is town that leaves Zephirdd (and Kurumi). Lynching for information. Direct contradiction in bold - he says if we don't lynch him we are hurting ourselves if he is town, and therefore the correct thing to do is lynch him (to determine alignment) in case he is town? I can't even ... bah! Secondly is chasing red-herrings in the night kill. In his filter it shows him (jestingly or not) On June 02 2012 07:24 risk.nuke wrote: And hey, wbg thinks I'm scum so you should consider me confirmed townie. So either he is wasting what time he has to post jokes, or he is contradicting himself by making light of WBG's scumhunting abilities yet considering them a strong point after the night kill. Another point I'm not sure if I'm doing this right, but it's behavioral analysis (opposed to logical which I'm used to). He says prefaces the suggestion with "I think". Yet later on when he straight up cuts people down it shows that he is very confident in his ideas and what town should be doing, which is more inline with town risk.nuke's aggressive confident tone. On June 04 2012 00:29 risk.nuke wrote: He died brainiac, and it wasn't the flu. ... @Hiro: Will I need to repeat every little thing so that your tiny brain can puzzle it together. Very confident, very assertive. Such a quick switch in demeanor shows inconsistency, as if he was testing the waters with his initial post (where he holds a 'it was just a suggestion excuse' in his back pocket), and finding something safe to talk about starts cutting down people. His thoughts on the Toad lynch? On June 05 2012 00:23 risk.nuke wrote: I'm against lynching toad today. I don't have a good read on him and I think he will become easier to figure out later. That's it. This is one of the most dominating discussion points D2. This is the only thing he says about Toad. He doesn't even provide nor push for his own "reads" On June 05 2012 05:06 risk.nuke wrote: As for lynches I'd like to lynch kurumi. If I can't get support for that I'm torn between lynching sloosh and sbrubbles. Why would he expect support when he never made a case? Why would he expect it when he never pushes these reads? Why is he bringing this up when the whole town is discussing Toad, and especially when its so near deadline? Conclusion: We see nothing in risk.nuke's filter which shows him valuing town interests. He keeps introducing red herrings which directly hurt town focus and thread atmosphere. This is beyond Zephirdd and Kurumi's blueclaims to draw shots - this is scum agenda. | ||
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##Vote: risk.nuke Everyone should be re-reading Radfield's filter and considering who the final scum could be, assuming risk is scum, because he is. Also something to consider is the votes (Radfield's last post has them). Going along with the 2-1 rb/framer idea, it means that there are 4 townies in each lot, which means the mafia role was randomized. There is a chance that mafia have roleblocker and are holding back to introduce possible doubt on tracker claims we have, because even the possibility of a framer adds doubt. They could also have framer framing people I dunno. Framer can frame himself so if risk doesn't flip framer that's something to keep in mind. If he does we just track most suspicious person and if scum can't snipe him then gg. I'm leaning mayoral poison because its probably good to have a full 48 hours to decide who is the last scum. So IC should just sit tight where he is until we get the mayoral business going, and even then it might be a good idea not to reveal, because if he reveals mafia have a smaller pool of people to shoot from and no doubt they are scared of getting tracked. I'm of opinion that scum lost much of its thread presence with the Toad lynch and are now lurking and whatnot. Speculating that risk was offered as token sacrifice (because if lynch swung and Toad was saved then people would be less likely to doubt him and risk was already under heavy suspicions anyways). So I'm looking at you Sbrubbles! I want more content! | ||
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Sbrubbles who do you think last scum could be? (let's assume risk flips scum) | ||
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So start posting. This is a bonus time of discussion. Seriously, do you think having all our reads in the open will help mafia more than it helps town? The reason why I ask questions is basically because I want a better read on that person. You can see that in my filter (ctrl f "?"). For instance I'm pretty sure I've never asked Hiro a question (beside neutral D0 discussion) because I'm comfortable with my read on him. Ask yourself - what is Sbrubbles thinking? What are his reads? And the answer is probably "I don't know" which can be remedied by asking him questions. Even with his last post what does it boil down to? On June 08 2012 00:14 Sbrubbles wrote: I agree with Hiro, this works like night time. About tomorrow's poison, we'll have a better idea once risk's actually flipped, but I think we can choose mayor lynch. I don't think it will be necessary for IC to claim because with only one mafia left, I doubt that he'll try to run for mayor, but even if he does he'll be under major scrutiny. Tracker can consider claiming (if he feels it will help with defining the mayor lynch), because the remaining scum will have no way of counter claiming (since we'd have time to kill them both). Bleulightz, I'm confused. Majority is players/2+1 now, meaning players/2+2 because of the poison? I don't want to talk now, here is a summary of stuff people already said, I don't understand this irrelevant topic. He fits well into the scared newb scum role who is without direction. Its obvious that there are suspicions on him and it doesn't look like he wants to clear his name, under the false guise of "it will help mafia w/ night kills". I don't buy it. | ||
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P.p.s. I believe risk.nuke's thing is "always townie never not townie", i.e. he has never rolled scum before. He would also fit the role of new scum who is unsure of how to act now that Toad is dead. | ||
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Well we know that risk.nuke is town, and therefore the D2 lynch looks much more clear cut. Toad was getting lynched and there was a good amount of resistance and people trying to deflect it onto risk. People should reread from Radfield's case with that perspective. Along with that: Roleblocker Navillus talismania toadesstern radfield risk.nuke Framer Sbrubbles Kurumi Zephirdd wherebugsgo sloosh GF HiroPro Unless one or both talismania and HiroPro are scum (I doubt it), mafia have the roleblocker, which means that tracker's results are valid. Most likely they have been withholding their action to cast possible doubt on any claims. There is a good chance that they might start using roleblock since this is out, or even claim to be roleblocked. In any case after rereading thread with risk's town flip, I find myself agreeing with risk's reads on Kurumi and Sbrubbles to the degree that I would post their names in bold red. If I was tracker (start WIFOMing you smelly scum) I would track them. Will post a full case before deadline. | ||
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Didn't colour in my name so everyone else can use it. I'm thoughtful like that. | ||
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On June 09 2012 11:18 kitaman27 wrote: slOosh the innocent child has appeared. Vote for me and I will lynch Sbrubbles and we can spend the rest of this day finding last scum. | ||
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On June 09 2012 08:39 HiroPro wrote: I get an error. Can you just post the original thing. It translates to + Show Spoiler + Zephirdd is vigilante. Sloosh is tracker. Prplhz played quite good town game. Hiro too. Sbrubbles and talismania are scum. Talismania is much more likely to hold the role though. Yeah I know I basically stopped playing after N1... Sorry about this guys. I've read the thread but couldn't get any thoughts grouped together. Talismania is a really good player, in Space Station I got him as Town really fast D1, I was so sure in my read (which was correct, obviously) I gave him my vet power. This game... He never pushes a lynch himself. He is in the backstage of this game. If you are still thinking this balance vet thing, there you go. Talismania+Toad = 2 good players for scum and Sbrubbles as an add. Rad and WBG for Town. I am not good, just lucky sometimes and I have plenty of pebbles to throw around. Scum were setting up my lynch from the very beginning and wbg was only helping them for some reason. Probably bored too. Sloosh talks a little too much about Tracker and he slips about his existence in his last post. Tomorrow it's 3v2, your last chance. Win Town. While I don't agree about the vet balance thing (in the sense that I will never consider it a legitimate analytical tool), I do agree that talismania is worth a really good look into (like I consider him a top candidate for 3rd scum material). | ||
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On June 09 2012 11:42 HiroPro wrote: Zephirdd is obviously not scum now lol. But I'm not sure about Kurumi being scum tbh. I was expecting a prplhz kill today, and it kind of looks to me like Zephirdd being killed just sets up a Kurumi lynch. I need to go over talismania's filter again and look at his previous games. I do remember noticing that he didn't make any real cases or reads - he spent most of his time doing connection stuff. I was also intrigued by the Zephirdd kill. First thing I noticed was how talismania gets off the hook by not having to push Zephirdd. Second is perhaps them fearing a blue claim since process of elimination is so strong right now (e.g. imagine if zephirdd was IC. Then who are scum gonna push?), or maybe they were planning to lynch me or something before I revealed IC. Good food for thought but best not dwell on it too long. On June 09 2012 11:43 HiroPro wrote: Oh and I think our last blue should claim. What do you say, slOosh? Mmm. I've been thinking this one out. Right now we are in 4-2 situation. I'm lynching Sbrubbles so it's gonna be 4-1. It's 4-1 with one confirmed town, and one mafia remaining. Since it's only 1 mafia left, they have to carry out the kill, and therefore tracker is good as golden (barring possible framer). Tomorrow we use secret ballot since there will be one scum remaining, and therefore it will be harmless. I'm thinking we can wait on the claim as we are lynching Sbrubbles today and therefore have ~72 hours of discussion, 24 in which we will know if Sbrubbles was a power role (or town in which case game ends right there). Tracker should consider heavily if claiming will benefit town right now (keeping in mind voting records), because keeping him hidden is really strong against mafia. Maybe if you tracked someone who isn't Sbrubbles visiting someone. E.g. if you tracked me visiting it means scum have framer = either Hiro is scum or Kurumi is town. In any case I'm leaning talismania as final scum somewhat. Best thing we can do right now is be totally open with our reads - we can really establish ideal town atmosphere and drive discussion. Talis if you are town you should come in fast with your updated reads. | ||
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On June 08 2012 20:20 Kurumi wrote: Translated from encryption Zephirdd is vigilante. Sloosh is tracker. Prplhz played quite good town game. Hiro too. Sbrubbles and talismania are scum. Talismania is much more likely to hold the role though. Yeah I know I basically stopped playing after N1... Sorry about this guys. I've read the thread but couldn't get any thoughts grouped together. Talismania is a really good player, in Space Station I got him as Town really fast D1, I was so sure in my read (which was correct, obviously) I gave him my vet power. This game... He never pushes a lynch himself. He is in the backstage of this game. If you are still thinking this balance vet thing, there you go. Talismania+Toad = 2 good players for scum and Sbrubbles as an add. Rad and WBG for Town. I am not good, just lucky sometimes and I have plenty of pebbles to throw around. Scum were setting up my lynch from the very beginning and wbg was only helping them for some reason. Probably bored too. Sloosh talks a little too much about Tracker and he slips about his existence in his last post. Tomorrow it's 3v2, your last chance. Win Town. Kurumi you can become hero of town if you are town. It's 4v2 right now and I really don't follow your logic on why Zephirdd would be vig who didn't shoot risk n1 (since he was first to push him). In any case Radfield had you slightly town at a later time than when he said he thought talis was town. So please talk more about talis and we can compare notes to see if you are just bluffing scum or tired town who still has been putting effort into the game. | ||
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Innocent Child was a very interesting role to play. Knowing that at any time I could pop my power and be modconfirmed town was great, but I didn't want to be "ah he is so towny we have to shoot him". In the end though I just forgot about my role because it's the best way to not get bluesniped and brought it up only when it mattered. I knew the hidden IC was scary for scum on the last night and wanted to not get shot since it's very scary for them to face an unlynchable townie (what it Kurumi or Zephirdd was IC last day? Would be scary stuff). In the end the high priority targets of WBG and Radfield took the bullets. It feels great not getting shot D1  I didn't even realize the power of the list checks myself until I read the ScumQT and postgame thoughts. Well now I know how good it is, and realized it was thanks to Kurumi's D0 framer pushing that we were able to have nicely divided groups. In hindsight a confirmed roleblocker might not have been as good as having the list checks. Interesting. As for me coming out so fast last day, I actually just listened to prplhz's comment to claim immediately because he was trustable town, probable tracker in my reads, so all credit to him for shutting down any last scum gambits! All in all a nice clean game, minimal in spam but definitely not lacking in content either. Thanks everyone who helped make it happen! (and Sbrubbles I hope you feel better soon. I know I didn't enjoy my first scum game with all the manipulation and the inherent guilt; hopefully the stress will pass quickly!) | ||
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