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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 12 2012 19:08 GMT
#481
On June 13 2012 04:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 04:05 marvellosity wrote:
RoL will (attempt to) shoot gonzaw and that's that. Great plan by Wiggles.

RoL already tried to shoot and it failed.


With totally wrong formatting. Come on man.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 12 2012 19:09 GMT
#482
On June 12 2012 13:47 gonzaw wrote:

I won't shoot at least until half a day has passed and it's been consensus that I have to shoot.


zzz

rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 19:09 GMT
#483
On June 13 2012 04:08 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 04:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On June 13 2012 04:05 marvellosity wrote:
RoL will (attempt to) shoot gonzaw and that's that. Great plan by Wiggles.

RoL already tried to shoot and it failed.


With totally wrong formatting. Come on man.



On June 12 2012 15:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm heading to bed, but here you go
##kill(##Kill): marvellosity


If you have type ##kill(##Kill): player in the thread and you can't actually kill someone I will just ignore it.


Close enough I think
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 12 2012 19:10 GMT
#484
wbg you're so fine.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 12 2012 19:10 GMT
#485
fuck me do you guys not read the thread.

Filter deconduo you idiots.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 12 2012 19:11 GMT
#486
On June 13 2012 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I wouldn't mind supersoft shooting gonzaw.

I don't want to put it on a lurker who may or may not come back, I'd rather just shoot into those guys if we want to get a read on them.


supersoft already made it apparent he wanted to shoot me. It's very likely he has a gun (whether VT or GF/SK).
Same as wbg
Unless you say that they are goons and this is a reverse-psychology-WIFOMy plan of theirs to appear they have a gun so we assume they do and they never shoot...they do have a gun.


Any of those lurkers shooting me is alright, although I'd prefer rastaban doing it (or Zentor in any case).


You guys are still fucking ignoring me: What do you think of rastaban?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 12 2012 19:12 GMT
#487
Hmm, I wouldn't mind Toad shooting me either now that I think of it
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 19:13 GMT
#488
Is the format in the OP "##kill(##Kill): marvellosity" a valid format for shooting someone or does it need to b eone of the 2 methods deconduo posted?
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 12 2012 19:13 GMT
#489
RoL will try to shoot you. Then one of Zentor/payl. Wouldn't actually mind rastaban either.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 12 2012 19:14 GMT
#490
why are you asking the mod a question he already answered?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 12 2012 19:14 GMT
#491
hahahaha

My favorite people:
marvellosity
chaoser

illiterate fools:
Cephiro
some others I can't be arsed to find again

scum:
gonzaw
zentor
kitaman
some lurking asshole #1
some lurking asshole #2

If RoL shows up and contributes something decently he's probably town. His posting style has not been scummy to me, but the fact that all he did was use the misformatted post and then run away during a 24 hour day is rather suspicious. As there is no counter miller claim I find it unlikely he is scum, but it's possible we don't even have a miller. We need more time for RoL to post to actually know his alignment.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 12 2012 19:15 GMT
#492
On June 13 2012 04:12 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, I wouldn't mind Toad shooting me either now that I think of it

This makes me feel like you're trying to shift focus off of some of the people we've mentioned.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 12 2012 19:15 GMT
#493
On June 13 2012 04:12 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, I wouldn't mind Toad shooting me either now that I think of it

I wouldn't mind that either. Won't tell if I have a gun or not unless I get multiple people telling me the same thing for obvious reasons.

So if you want me to shoot tell me so and I'll tell you if I have a gun or not when we have at least some guys who think I should shoot.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 12 2012 19:16 GMT
#494
Toad isn't shooting anyone today.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 12 2012 19:17 GMT
#495
Crap, now I'm going to be shot n1
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 12 2012 19:18 GMT
#496
On June 13 2012 04:14 marvellosity wrote:
why are you asking the mod a question he already answered?

Bah your right, I thought it was answered before he fired, please ignore my stupidity there as I just looked at Ds filter and didnt go back and look at it in the thread.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 12 2012 19:18 GMT
#497
the shooters should come from this pool of players:

zentor
kitaman
risk.nuke
kenpachi
payl

That's five people, more than enough for today. Zentor is my #1 choice and he still hasn't even responded in thread.

In the situation that gonzaw is town then we should seriously consider killing people in this list the next day, as they're likely to get us at least one or two scum.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 12 2012 19:26 GMT
#498
OKAY WAIT:

Gonzaw I have this figured out. I want you to claim now. I have a rough idea what i want you to claim. If you fail you're guaranteed dead. Go for it. If you're town claim.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 12 2012 19:28 GMT
#499
On June 13 2012 04:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
hahahaha

My favorite people:
marvellosity
chaoser

illiterate fools:
Cephiro
some others I can't be arsed to find again

scum:
gonzaw
zentor
kitaman
some lurking asshole #1
some lurking asshole #2

If RoL shows up and contributes something decently he's probably town. His posting style has not been scummy to me, but the fact that all he did was use the misformatted post and then run away during a 24 hour day is rather suspicious. As there is no counter miller claim I find it unlikely he is scum, but it's possible we don't even have a miller. We need more time for RoL to post to actually know his alignment.


For once I agree with you (replace me with rastaban from that list).

I'm not that sure of marv, but he's being confident and perhaps too aggressive to be scum. Still, keep an eye on him.

Keep an eye on Cephiro as well, I think he would be more active and contribute more if he was town.


On June 13 2012 00:23 rastaban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 23:40 MrZentor wrote:
If you really want to shoot me or something at least wait 24 hours into D1 so you don't waste the whole day and so we can put some sense into you.

His insistence on waiting until most of the day passes before shooting.

I personally don't find people's opinion on certain plans (or policy lynches, etc) alignment telling at all. So no matter how much someone talks and talks about plans, I can't analyze their alignment based on their behaviour, if everybody else is discussing plans as well.


This seems like the genuine thing a mafia wouldn't say.

+ Show Spoiler +
What if all of us claim if we have a gun to shoot or not?

Like said before, most blue roles are not that strong (the good ones don't know their sanity); but the VT/Miller roles are the strongest since they control the "lynch", and are our only way to win this game (other than a random vigilante out there).

I think they did it like this:

1)Everybody claims if they have a gun or not
2)The people that claimed they have a gun, take turns each day to shoot the most scummy one from the pool of the guys that don't have a gun
Here we can use that "random thingy" site Palmar made for iGrok's game (if someone's good enough to copy the script and shit, maybe make it public):
Each day we make a list of all the people that claimed they have a gun, and randomize it. That way we randomly choose who to shoot from that list.
That way mafia can't try to fake-claim that they have a gun and manipulate their way to never shoot at all, because the process of choosing who to shoot is random so if it's their turn to shoot they can't get away with it (this will disencourage scum fake-claiming they have a gun).

This is the beauty from the plan:
Yes, all the VTs/Millers will be outed for SK/scum, and so will the blues....
...however the blues will be mostly intact and survive the whole game.

Why? Because in the pool of blues most of the scum (goon and RBers, etc) lurk. If they shoot blues at night, that pool is reduced so they have more chances of being shot at day.
Not only that, but because of what I said earlier they'll most likely shoot VTs (check that post I made).

So blues are free to make their actions at night (not all of them can be RBed, plus they shouldn't claim their roles either) to help us with what we can, while we systematically kill those scum in their group.

Once we kill all scum in the "blue" group (3 of them right?), we are set, leave the rest of those blues alone and take a look at the VT/Miller claims to get the GF and the SK.

Since only non-gunners will get shot at day, and only gunners will get shot at night by scum, the blues in the non-gunners group can use:
1)Their medic saves on the gunners
2)Their watcher/tracker/cop checks on the gunners

1)Because those are the only ones getting shot at night, so they have a greater chance to save them
2)Because once all the scum from the non-gunners are killed, we need to find the SK/GF. If blues check those players, then it's more likely they can find the SK/GF for us so we have it easier later.


That was the way it would work in the 1st game.
Now that I think about it the "SK or scum can steal guns at night" thing if RoL says the truth can change it a little bit

What do you guys think? Any way to improve it if it's worth it? Or is it unworthy?


This is an excellent plan, which I believe would give town a great chance of winning; I doubt a mafia would suggest it.




Also, something I found along the way.


Pretty sure

1) We'll run out of things to say or just go in circles
2) Ace will probably put a limit on like 48 hours and then we just "no shot" and move straight to night
3) Someone will probably get trigger happy and shoot anyway.

I want gonzaw to shoot. We already had 24 hours of discussion since night 0 happened, we've got our suspicions. Let's go gonzaw, chop chop.


Chaoser wanted Gonzaw to shoot at dawn, effectively killing 24 hours of discussion.

That's exactly what scum would want to happen.


Regarding the plan of guns and not guns claiming, don't you think even the mafia without guns will claim they have guns (maybe 1 won't) so we just end up shooting all our blues for a few days? We don't know how many blues town has so we won't even know if mafia is the group. I don't see how that plan helps anything it isn't like the goons are going to admit they have no guns. We end up have some people claiming to have guns, who don't have guns, but how do we decide who it is? We are back to square 1 but now they know which townies have guns and who doesn't so they can shoot acordingly. We just give them even more information while we are just as confused as before.

Unless I am missing something this is a very bad plan, plus we should worry less about plans and more about about posts. I agree Chaoser trying to push the shot so fast was very very bad. Chaoser, why did you want to stifle so much discussion?


Just because I think this plan is good for town, I'll respond to this:

If mafia without guns claim they have guns....then at some point they'll have to prove they have by shooting.

If we make the process of determining who shoots random (with Palmar's site or something similar), then they won't be able to control AT ALL when they'll shoot.
If they claim they have a gun, they may be chosen to shoot the next day and they'll fuck up.

Not only that, but if we have like 18 gun claims and only 2 non-gun claims, we'll know something is wrong and that those 2 that claimed non-gun are most likely real blues.

Of course if there's scummy people that claim they have a gun we could force them to shoot (by voting or something).

It was followed on Bang Bang Mafia 1 (although town lost that game )

Like I said the problem I'd find is with the "gun-stealing" mechanic (if RoL tells the truth)...but that one is going to be around no matter what, and nobody even seemed to answer me of the implications of it (can't improve a plan if nobody is there to criticize it nor approve it).


If it comes down to me (I'm sure everybody will ignore me); this should be the order of people shooting me:
  • rastaban
  • Zentor
  • payl
  • kitaman
  • risknuke
  • Kenpachi
  • talismania
  • Cephiro


As in, the 1st one from that list shoots me, if he can't the 2nd one shoots, etc.


Right now I'm leaving home, but I'll be back in a couple of hours (2 at most). So if you want me to claim or something please don't shoot until then.

If someone shoots until then please held them accountable for it.

If I don't come back in 3 or 4 hours or sorts (if you think I'm "disappearing so I damp discussion" or some shit) then yes shoot me then but that won't happen unless I'm kidnapped or something
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 12 2012 19:30 GMT
#500
On June 13 2012 04:26 supersoft wrote:
OKAY WAIT:

Gonzaw I have this figured out. I want you to claim now. I have a rough idea what i want you to claim. If you fail you're guaranteed dead. Go for it. If you're town claim.


If what I think you think is true, then yes I claim that (you know what I mean)


I'm leaving now though (if I have to claim I'll claim when I come back).
REally, I don't have time I realy have to be going :/
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