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On May 22 2012 05:52 froggynoddy wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2012 05:29 Tunkeg wrote: Reads d1 of Day1 Acrofalis/Marvellosity: Leaning town based on Acrofalis aggression while he was in game. He tried to get this game going, and tried to apply some pressure. EchelonTee: Leaning town. He went into a fight with Acrofalis from the get go, and haven't been afraid to stick his head out. Zealos Get some scumvibes off him. He started the game by voting VE as number two, without a good reason. He claims it to be a joke later (which it might be). He then proceeds to vote Acrofales based on ET's case, and because of meta, basicly sheeping ET. The rest of his filter seems very empty, even though he got more post than most in this game. Some townpoints for actually bother to answer questions. Mattchew He might be one of those I called out for not posting earlier, that is a scum. I don't know what he is trying to do, but if his postingstyle continues this way he will be disruptive townie at best, and sabotaging scum at worst. Leaning scum for now. Nova_Terra Leaning scum. He was active at the start, but unlike Acrofalis his attempts at pushing seems more forced, and with no real weight behind it. His whole postingstyle seems very non-commital and gives me scumvibes. Also Navillus need to get in the thread and do some more. His vote on WBG is the only thing he have done. And it was done without much reasoning, and in my opinion strange reasoning. PS: I know you guys don't like list. But I want to do lists so bare with me. PS 2: This is not an analysis post. It is a read post. When I am ready to put my vote down on someone I will try to make a good case/analysis on them. Exception is if there is a great case on them that I agree with, then I will be open about sheeping it, and probably just add some of my own reasoning to it. This list... serves no purpose other than making you look active. Town reads are worse than useless day 1 as 1. they are even weaker than day 1 scumreads and 2. points to scum who to kill to cause confusion. EDIT: There was more but WBG and Navillus covered it whilst I was writing + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2012 05:37 Navillus wrote: Okaaay so my WBG vote was a joke, I do not actually think it's a good idea to lynch one of our 2 vets on that basis alone and I am not really of the opinion that advice is an automatic scum-tell, it'd be nice to have a little benefit of the doubt on me not being an idiot. Next ##Unvote ##Vote: Mattchew As far as I can tell he's just posting with flavor text from mtg cards, if that continues I don't really care if he's scum or town it makes him impossible to read, doesn't let him contribute, and makes for a really shitty atmosphere. Mattchew stop it. On N_T yes VE and WBG I'd say he's using pretty bad method of scumhunting/analysis and his vote is for a dumb reason, but that doesn't make him scum and aside from clear-cut examples of someone being useless or disruptive (such as restricting their posts to text from a card game) it's a bad idea to lynch someone for bad play, in my experience it's rarely a scumtell and depending on how they're playing badly it can be more of a town tell. Tunkeg you asked a bunch of questions earlier, most of them were ignored, was there any point to them? Why don't you care that people didn't answer you/why aren't you following up? Also why post that list, if you have scum reads why aren't you just pressuring them instead of telling them, and how does telling everyone your town-reads do anything but let scum know who you think is townie and so light them up as targets? Holy spam batman! NT scum or town please stop with multiple one or two line posts in a row, it's distracting and makes the thread harder to read through, consolidate. How is voting for Mattchew due to his posting style (which you consider to be *Bad*) different to voting N_T based on bad play? I don't necessarily disagree with you I just think you're being a little inconsistent. Shoot I forgot to unvote as promised: ##Unvote ##Vote Katina Inactive players kill town. Katina, my vote stays on you until you make an appearance. I made an apperance earlier today. Do you not read over the thread my dear? On May 22 2012 03:27 Nova_Terra wrote: ooh i forgot about that Its different because its not all i've done and because i know im town and its not really different itself, but i was aware of the hypocrisy before i made teh post I would to bring attention to this lovely post. N_T might be the BM version 2! I say this because of his spam, oneliners, and the fact he seems to be refreshing the thread every 5 minutes. When BM is mafia he always over emphasizes that he is confirmed town. Such things are silly to say and provide no help to the town I will be setting my vote. ##Vote Nove_Terra Based on his fliter, he seems to more interesting in proving his innocence then trying to find the Mafia. | ||
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On May 21 2012 18:37 Mouldy Jeb wrote: hi- now my presence is known. saying "get rid of a veteran" indicates that you are worried that an experienced Mafia player will either weasel you out~ if your mafia or kill you if you are not so due to this rash decision to get rid of competition so on that note #vote:Nova_Terra I was reading through filters and came across this post. It is just O.o This post does not have a purpose. It feels forced. Almost like he didn't really want to post but knew that he had to. I'm not saying we should kill him but that a finger of suspicion should be pointed onto him. He just played the noob card in his post. I'm always wary of those people. They don't tickle my fancy. | ||
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On May 21 2012 04:45 Nova_Terra wrote: Yaaaaaay! Should we get rid of a veteran? should we? I THINK SO :D ##Vote: VisceraEyes On May 22 2012 01:26 Nova_Terra wrote: as of yet i would be fine with either a Navillus or WBG lynch On May 22 2012 04:34 Nova_Terra wrote: Rofl, well thats interesting, it looks like i just went through your newbie game (snmmIX not VIII, bitch to find) and in that game there was an understanding that my town meta was very very active which i ended up failing at as scum, and my meta change was frequently noted in cases against me. Very interesting that you would want to try to make this conclusion. what reason would there be other than scum? ##Unvote ##Vote: Froggynoddy [B]On May 22 2012 14:24 Nova_Terra wrote: in no particular order froggy, katina, WBG Okay.... please tell me you guys have seem how inconsistent N_T is. Take a look at his filter. He opens with going after VE right off the back with close to no reasoning except he that he might be a veteran. Then he proceeds to spew out short useless posts. He is throwing doubt around the town and is picking at everyone. I don't need to tell you guys he's spamming relentlessly. As I said before he seems more interested in proving his own innocence than trying to find mafia. This is shown by how he is trying to kill anyone he can. Instead of just focusing on one or two players. | ||
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On May 23 2012 04:27 Nova_Terra wrote: wonderful, you jump on the bandwagon and reiterate past posts knowingly this is just terrible Hardly. I have been going for you for awhile now. I voted for you ages ago. | ||
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I presume my actions speak for themselves. I have voted for him, said why he was mafia, said what he was doing that was pushing a scum agenda. I did express suspicion of Mouldy. I called him out on playing the noob card. His first post of the game felt incredibly forced as well. | ||
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Look at this link where N_T was mafia. Notice that he spams here.... and what is he doing this game? ... ... Spam! | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325394&user=255225 | ||
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On May 23 2012 06:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Regardless of his alignment nova seems to post a lot. Over the span of a week in games where he was scum and town he had 8-10 pages of filter in both. Only his first game seems to be an anomaly with 5 pages after 9-10 days but that's still quite a lot (especially for a newbie game) So why is it, Katina, that you're trying to pass off Nova's spam as exclusively a scum trait? I'm not. I'm just saying he has done it before. | ||
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On May 24 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote: "Mattchew will never be able to quote this." -Artanis "You are Scum" - Katina | ||
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On May 25 2012 02:41 wherebugsgo wrote: This is such a waste of time and thread space lol. Anyway, Katina where are you? Just finished reading the thread dear. Lots of pages to read this morning. I really like how people are so focused on me when there are clearly scummy people like N_T and Mattchew. One of those two should be the top lynch candidates for today hands down. N_T has not nearly been as active today as he has been from the start of the game. He wants to kill me only bescause I'm pushing for him hard. He has been staying in the shadows today and only poking his head out when the votes start coming in on another player. May I bring up my past arguements against him: 1. Spam! 2. Spam! 3. More focused on proving his innocence than scum hunting (unless you want to call his only scum read on me as "scum hunting".) 4. Inconsistent As I have stated he is only focusing on me and now by making that "Case" against me is a waste of time that could be used to find the Mafia. As for Mattchew, I mean really? Do I even have to explain why I think he's scum and want to lynch him? He has been completely ignoring me when I have called him out. Wait. He ignores just about everything and only comments when he has a qoute for it. He's not being helpful at all to the town and it annoys me that he is still alive and not being considered for the lynch. Others have commented on how annoying his qoutes are but yet no one has felt the need to vote for him. | ||
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So a N_T lynch isn't going to happen today it seems. Sigh. In that case I'm for a Zealos lynch. His arguments with Hiro have been cluttering up the thread and causing a lot of other posts to get buried. Just like the issues with WBG and VE. I'm suspicious of him so I'm casting my vote ##Vote Zealos Sorry N_T I voted. </3 + Show Spoiler + Also any argument that I'm lurking is pretty ridiculous. Just because I don't spam and make 15 posts a day like half the players doesn't mean I'm lurking. Quality over quantity people. | ||
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Secondly the two people I have been gunning for (N_T and Mattchew) are doing nothing but constantly bashing me. N_T is so focused on getting me lynched he is completely distracting himself from the forum. Mattchew is butt hurt because I got him to crack and stop using his quotes. Third, I realize that Zealos claimed. I was fine lynching him as I stated in one of my posts before that. So me voting for someone I thought was scummy is considered Mafia? I love the logic behind that. I apologize for not spewing out random votes and cluttering up the thread like a lot of you do. Everyone is so focused on me for stupid reasons when there are so many scummier people. | ||
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On May 27 2012 02:40 Mattchew wrote: Omg you have a "life"... whats that like? I'm sure that no one else on the forum has things going on outside this game Bashing you? I haven't seen NT bash you once, he has however called you scum, so have I. I am not "butthurt" about you making me post regularly, I am "butthurt" about how unbelievably terribly you are playing if you are town. Your reasoning for thinking Zealos was scum was just so clear HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED IT, I mean you easily have the most quality posts in the whole thread detailing out your thought process, asking pressing questions of others and sharing your cases and reads on other players. Your right, a vote with literally no reasoning is totally not spewing out a random vote. Also, posting reads thoughts and haveing conversations with players about the game in the thread is totally just clutter. Thank you for proving my point Mattchew. Yeah, I don't imagine you would know what one is like. Your not butt hurt by that? Could have fooled me.That's why you have been riding my butt since you started posting reguarly. If you honestly think that N_T hasn't been gunning for me or bashing me then you are really blind my dear sir. I have been posting my reads and thoughts. Not my fault you don't have the attention span to actually read the posts. You don't even need to really. All you do is end up coming right back at me. You are definetly Mafia and it's all just a matter of time before people pull their heads out of the sand and realize that. | ||
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You're a big boy, you know how to get to the filters. I have been posting my reads and thoughts. I was the first to post my case on N_T I gave lots of reasons why he should be lynched. So far he hasn't done much to convince me otherwise. I also explained why I thought you should be killed. The first half of the game you were using those quotes and ignoring people who talked to you directly. You had close to no feedback and weren't giving reads or making any cases. Eventually you broke and conviently chose to attack on of your attackers. Text book Mafia play. | ||
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On May 25 2012 02:57 Katina wrote: Just finished reading the thread dear. Lots of pages to read this morning. I really like how people are so focused on me when there are clearly scummy people like N_T and Mattchew. One of those two should be the top lynch candidates for today hands down. N_T has not nearly been as active today as he has been from the start of the game. He wants to kill me only bescause I'm pushing for him hard. He has been staying in the shadows today and only poking his head out when the votes start coming in on another player. May I bring up my past arguements against him: 1. Spam! 2. Spam! 3. More focused on proving his innocence than scum hunting (unless you want to call his only scum read on me as "scum hunting".) 4. Inconsistent As I have stated he is only focusing on me and now by making that "Case" against me is a waste of time that could be used to find the Mafia. As for Mattchew, I mean really? Do I even have to explain why I think he's scum and want to lynch him? He has been completely ignoring me when I have called him out. Wait. He ignores just about everything and only comments when he has a qoute for it. He's not being helpful at all to the town and it annoys me that he is still alive and not being considered for the lynch. Others have commented on how annoying his qoutes are but yet no one has felt the need to vote for him. This is a continuation of my case against N_T as I said, read my filter honey. Were you too busy making quotes to read the thread day 1? | ||
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I think it's interesting how you go as far as to pick at the pet names. They are fun aren't they, cupcake? On a more serious note. I haven't been able to be here to make clearer cases on people. I am usually too busy trying to catch up on the thread. Your excuses for thinking I'm mafia is that 1. I lurk, I have told you why I haven't been here and I'm here now trying to defend myself. 2. I made accusations against people. I didn't know that was a scummy trait. With number 2. particularly my accusations against N_T and Mattchew. I was one of the first if not the the first to accuse him and make a case against him day 1. A lot of people agreed with me then about my case. Have I mentioned that day 1 N_T made 100 posts and day 2 he made 30? Typical lurking strategy after almost dying. N_T I don't think any points are invalid in this game. Unless you're mafia I guess because then you already know what's what. As I have started many times my reads are Mattchew and N_T and I'm looking at Acid. | ||
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On May 27 2012 03:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Calm down sir. Now, her case on N_T was bad. Anyone can see that spamming the thread and and being inconsistent do not on their own...it takes more than that to make someone scum and Travis where Katina's cases lack...the WHY of it all. She claims that it's a meta read, which honestly I can't argue with other than saying he's relatively new and meta isn't the most reliable. Here case on you is similarly lacking in actual substance, but again...it could be rabro w inexperience or something else. Reading null bro...sorry.  Didn't you agree with my case day 1? I know quite a few people did because he almost got lynched. And I was one of the first people to call him out. He spams, he's inconsistent. He's more intent on defending himself than scumhunting. He made 100 posts day 1. Day 2 he made 30. That's a big problem. Do we need Mattchew to accidentally post the mafia team again to convince you? Mattchew's thing with the quotes is just bad. Clearly the only motivation he has for doing that is he has something to hide. Why else would he do such a thing in a mini game with normal roles? At least in insane mafia it made sense for Foolishness to post in Limericks considering he had a role. He has an agenda. That much is obvious. Anyone who has an agenda in a mini game like this needs to die. | ||
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Something to ponder. | ||
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On May 28 2012 02:01 Mattchew wrote: Ok guys, the way I see it we have 2 fights. VisceraEyes vs Wherebugsgo and Nova_tera vs HIropro We have the 2 claims of VE (Doc) and NT (Det). I firmly believe that ANY BLUE ROLE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND CLAIM NOW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE ONE OF THESE 2 ROLES. Also, I believe we should be voting on the NT vs Hiro case because we get a confirmed scum out of the claim (NT if Hiro flips green and Hiro if NT isn't lying) despite how confident VE is in his read I was wrong about the Zealos vs Hiropro situation so I would like more opinions on them before I make my vote. Right now I side with believe NT and would like to vote Hiropro Smart. Give the Mafia targets to shoot.... | ||
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On May 29 2012 05:15 froggynoddy wrote: That said you haven't justified your last 2 votes... If you are townplease give us comprehensive reads. If you're scum, i'm gonna vote/shoot you every single game we play after this game. Awesome. I'm sure that will win you a lot of games in the future. Just like how you shot Acid. Anyway, I justified yesterdays vote and today started raising suspicion when we had a claim from both VE and N_T. It's obvious that the two main people I think are scum (N_T and Mattchew) weren't going to be lynched today. There's no use in pushing it today (obviously) I don't believe any of the claims that have been made except for froggynoddy. | ||
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On May 29 2012 05:46 wherebugsgo wrote: You know what would be hilarious? If I was a miller, scum framed me n1 and then a DT checked me and got back green. Scum would be like WTF looool You know what would be hilarious? Is if that wasn't a useless post. | ||
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On May 29 2012 14:14 Nova_Terra wrote: So either froggy or myself die tonight, although at this point I think it will be froggy so that hiro doesn't die. If hiro was a townie he would die and everyone would lynch me and gg, but that won't happen. I'm not sure why Mafia would waste KP on their own teammate. If anything froggynoddy or WBG would get shot tonight. | ||
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On May 30 2012 07:31 Navillus wrote: EBWOP - whoops I forgot that we don't have that bbcode function... ##Vote HiroPro On May 30 2012 07:43 Mattchew wrote: If hiro is miller than gg I refuse to believe scum framed him ##vote hiropro On May 30 2012 07:56 Tunkeg wrote: OK, Hiro it is. ##Vote HiroPro I think we just found our remaining Mafia members.... By the way Tunkeg I love your reasoning for wanting to lynch Hiro. I'm so convinced by that. Mattchew needs to go. I'm surprised to see he's alive this long. ##Vote Mattchew | ||
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Mattchew has been plain bad from the start. He came into the game with his quotes and completely ignoring confrontation with other players. He hasn't been giving any reads or making any cases. He cracked and started posting normally again and attacking his attackers. On May 25 2012 06:40 Mattchew wrote: You cannot possible be this fucking stupid, the entirety of day 1 I pushed mouldy jeb, I guess now I wish I had pushed someone else, but I don't think any of my reasoning was flawed (I mean why would a townie knowingly die and not give ANY reads)... This is because i thought he was scum and we only have 1 lynch. At night I gave my overall reads incase i were to die. Shut the fuck out up about being unclear, you have more meaningless one liners than I do dipshit This is a blatant contradiction and the start of his posts that show he is trying to take credit for things he did not accomplish. He only pushed Mouldy Jeb when using the quotes. And we all know him using quotes accomplished nothing for the town. When he stopped using quotes, he immediately focused on the people who were suspicious of him (myself, Tunkeg, Marvellosity, etc). He also attacked VE. If you look at his filter, he doesn't justify any of those accusations. It's more along the lines of, "this person is stupid for voting me. Therefore they are mafia." Pretty sound logic there. He also defended Zealos and the end of day 1 and into day 2. He used the quotes day 1 so he could subtely push a lynch and not be accountable for it. Then he just started attacking anyone who was suspicious of him. Also, he was very adamant about killing zelblade, but hasn't said a word about him in over a day. | ||
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As much as I love seeing that picture <3 the votes for your lynch are staking up on you and this is supposed to be your great defense with the day ticking down? I think you should rethink that strategy. I agree with the arguements against you and after looking at your filter I see that the possibilty of you flipping scum is pretty good. Restating all the reasons why you should be lynched would be just repeating what everyone else has said within the last page or two. On May 30 2012 21:19 Tunkeg wrote: There is a simple explantion for why we should lynch Hiro Pro, and that is we are at LYLO, and will be at LYLO for the rest of the game. We will be WIFOM'ing about Hiro Pro each day until the end, and we are basicly forced to lynch him eventually. If we are to lynch him we should do it immediatly. This way the games end today if Hiro by some odd chance is miller or was framed, and we don't waste our time in a game that scum have got won 90%. Am I resigned. Hell yeah. I have been resigned since the VE flip. To me everyone of you could easily be scum for different reasons (except froggy). And none of the remaining players have been very usefull in this game, and have conviced me they are town. Not even WBG, who could easily lead a scumteam by being the most active after this town imploded, have done anything truly beneficial to town. We have to go for the easy solution. We have to kill Hiro, because he has a DT check on him, and that is a way better read than we (or at least) I) will come up with on anyone else in this game. I would like to bring attention to the bolded parts. So basically you are admitting that you are being useless and not caring about the town. That's really great Tunkeg, I'm sure if you would have had the mind set in the beginning of the game we would killed off all the Mafia by now. Anyone could be Mafia? No way! Thanks for letting us know. I'm not sure why you would be resigning yet... The town still has a chance to win this. You are spreading around negativity and that's really not a good thing to do if you are supposed to be town. I really like the "Eh, I'm feeling lazy let's just kill this guy so I don't have to do work" persona that everyone has seemed to find themselves in. The game isn't over yet guys... | ||
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The guy has been painfully scummy from the start. I have made multiple accusations and cases against but everyone has completely ignored his actions. Basically his overall defense is "I know you are but what am I?" "You're stupid" derp derp derp. We have wasted our time going after people that have been half as scummy as Mattchew while completely overlooking the big red bullseye drawn all over his face. I bet he could have a name tage saying "I'm Mattchew and I'm Mafia" and people would still overlook it. | ||
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On May 31 2012 06:54 wherebugsgo wrote: I agree with you about Katina. If anyone's noticed, as soon as NT died Katina shifted to attacking Mattchew. When I said "Katina maybe you're right" to see if she'd do anything more she continued to attack Mattchew. Fact of the matter is that Mattchew is probably town at this point and Katina would probably have seen the signs if she was town. I question her motives and her play all game has been really shady. Sadly because of the confirmed red check we have people not wanting to lynch anyone but hiro. Anyway, there's two explanations and unfortunately we have no way of knowing which one's more likely: 1. NT was shot because scum have no RB, and as froggy's shot was spent it was a pick your poison type scenario for scum. 2. NT was shot because he had a framed result on hiro, which meant that killing NT would mean a free town kill for scum. Obviously both of these scenarios entail opposite actions. In support of a hiro lynch though, he does nothing to defend himself. It's as if he's doomed himself to death. What's weird about this, though, is that Katina for the most part refuses to comment on lynch candidates each day. She always brings someone in who has no real chance of being lynched so that she can continue to feign outrage. In addition when asked about Navillus she pretty quickly changed the suspect despite finding him suspicious. From the evidence right now it seems like all 3 of them (hiro, katina, navillus) might be scum. I have been attacking Mattchew and N_T from the start. I'm not sure why you think I only began to attack him after N_T died. My motives are on finding Mafia... I haven't refused to comment on lynch candidates each day. I have been doing nothing but comment on candidates and voicing my opinion of who I think is scum and who should die. Mattchew has every reason to be lynched so did N_T and Tunkeg. I didn't quickly change the subject about Navillus... I told you what I thought so far at that point. I didn't have much else to say about him so I continued on about my other reads. I didn't know that consistency was a Scum trait. I have been here defending myself from all the accusations that people have had against me and been trying to get the people I think are scum lynched. | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:30 froggynoddy wrote: Ok fine. Town switch to Katina as I refuse to vote for hiro today,which means that if hiro is scum his lynch will not go through. the reason why i'm holding town to ransom is on the off chance that Katina is a framer. If she isn't scum then you can just blame me for the loss. I'd also like to add that Katina asked to be scum last game but was modkilled early on so i'm also banking on the fact that she may have requested scum this game too. Okay.... let's look at the bolded part... That is the stupidest reason to fact into to whether you lynch someone or not. | ||
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Lack of effort? No at all. I make accusations against people, I will admit my case making skills are still in the works. You didn't do anything in day one because you were posting in quotes. You made a case against zelblade (who's still alive in case you forgot) but never followed up on it or tried to get him lynched. Futhermore, you have ignored him since night 1 completely. It's for these reasons I think you are Mafia and I'm going to keep pushing you because you never respond to what I say about you instead you just claim I don't have a case. So until you respond and refute my arguements which you can't because they are all facts about your play this game I'm going to keep pushing you. I made a case against N_T because he was being inconsistent and not scumhunting. Instead he was trying to defend himself all the time. Futhermore he was active day 1 and then somewhat disappeared day 2. This can be seen in his post count. Of course his spammy attitude was not helping the town either. This is why I made the case against him and tried to get him killed. Yeah I was wrong about him but I'm sure that you are scum. I didn't say I thought Nav was scum for voting for Hiro. I just said he was suspicious. I thought Tunkeg was scum because of his behavoir and attitude this past day. I just made a observation about how the votes for Hiro piled on and I found it suspicious how it happened. That's why I brought attention to it. So no, you cannot say that I have not taken part in discussion. I have said who I think is Mafia, I give reasons, and I have been consistent and you have not. | ||
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I take in everything that is presented and consider it when I'm looking at who's scum and who's town. My opinions have changed with other players such as Zealos, Nav, VE, etc throughout the course of the game. I stuck to my reads on N_T and followed it until he was shot. I didn't believe his claim and I said so in the thread. You cannot use the fact that I was wrong about N_T as reason for lynching me. Just like how town lynched me in jubjub for thinking Kurumi was innocent. | ||
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: I'm almost tempted to policy vote you due to how scary good you played with me as scum in LIV. Policy lynches are bad though so your safe until you post more.
