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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 21:01 GMT
#852
I like zealos, he posts as if he has nothing to hide and like he is hiding nothing (if that makes sense). I don't think we should lynch him
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 21:07 GMT
#856
hit the post button a little too quick to re-do

I like zealos, he posts as if he has nothing to hide and like he is hiding nothing (if that makes sense). I don't think we should lynch him

I think acid is fairly similar in style so I don't really want to lynch him either.

I think hiropro is unusual and compensating for something with his aggression

I think zelblade is scum and more people should be on him

I think froggy and katina are blending in well and would make great vig targets

I think marv is overconfident, but this seems to be par the course of his town meta

I don't know if tunk is scum or stupid, but I dont think I'd be willing to lynch him today to find out

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 21:11 GMT
#859
On May 25 2012 06:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
if he has nothing to hide why is it that whenever marvellosity makes a big post on him, zealos only responds to one small thing that he said?

maybe he realizes that his answer would be the same regardless of alignment and that better things can be conversed about... or maybe because he doesn't give a shit about the case against him and posts on other things... or a different reason that i do not know

I don't care about his lack of defense, I care about his reads and what he has posted
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 21:24 GMT
#865
its magic the gathering mafia you (insert bad name here) I was excited to post like that from THE FIRST NON-OP POST OF THE GAME... the rest of you ruined my (and the mod's fyi) fun by being so stupid
On May 15 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote:
woah woah woah woah woah


raging goblin has the best flavor text of all time. you leave that shit right where it is

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 21:30 GMT
#867
ps. its not my fault if you couldn't understand my posts when i was using flavor, I made the message in each one pretty fucking simple and usually revolving around one or two words
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 21:33 GMT
#869
On May 25 2012 01:24 Nova_Terra wrote:
Hi, im going to take a brief bit of time to go over my favorite for todays lynch, Katina.
Note the word brief, her filter is 12 posts. 6 of which is 1 or 2 liners.

Now lets go and check a game where Katina was scum, TL Mafia LIV.
In her filter:
Posts at the same rate as this game, aka lurking (until she gets modkilled day1)
posting aggressively when she actually posts
quoting to look like shes contributing
to quote katina,
What is she doing this game?
...
...
Same thing!
First post
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On May 22 2012 01:57 Katina wrote:
Hi guys, just finished reading through the thread (not that it was much to read) I like how people jumped onto the VE votes like little school girls licking lollipops and followed the teacher. We are how far into day one? and there are only a few pages and not much to go on as in terms of scum hunting. I agree that Navillus looks a little suspicious at the moment. I will be rereading the thread and taking a closer look at what we have so far.

Okay, so immediately we have complaining about other peoples votes while offering nothing, saying theres nothing to scum hunt with (yeah thanks for that) a Navillus scummy bandwagon, and a promise for some closer look soon.
Only a day and 3 hours later does she actually make a post with any sort of "closer look".
Second post
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On May 22 2012 07:25 Katina wrote:
On May 22 2012 05:52 froggynoddy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 22 2012 05:29 Tunkeg wrote:
Reads d1 of Day1

Acrofalis/Marvellosity:
Leaning town based on Acrofalis aggression while he was in game. He tried to get this game going, and tried to apply some pressure.

EchelonTee:
Leaning town. He went into a fight with Acrofalis from the get go, and haven't been afraid to stick his head out.

Zealos
Get some scumvibes off him. He started the game by voting VE as number two, without a good reason. He claims it to be a joke later (which it might be). He then proceeds to vote Acrofales based on ET's case, and because of meta, basicly sheeping ET. The rest of his filter seems very empty, even though he got more post than most in this game. Some townpoints for actually bother to answer questions.

Mattchew
He might be one of those I called out for not posting earlier, that is a scum. I don't know what he is trying to do, but if his postingstyle continues this way he will be disruptive townie at best, and sabotaging scum at worst. Leaning scum for now.

Nova_Terra
Leaning scum. He was active at the start, but unlike Acrofalis his attempts at pushing seems more forced, and with no real weight behind it. His whole postingstyle seems very non-commital and gives me scumvibes.

Also Navillus need to get in the thread and do some more. His vote on WBG is the only thing he have done. And it was done without much reasoning, and in my opinion strange reasoning.


PS: I know you guys don't like list. But I want to do lists so bare with me.

PS 2: This is not an analysis post. It is a read post. When I am ready to put my vote down on someone I will try to make a good case/analysis on them. Exception is if there is a great case on them that I agree with, then I will be open about sheeping it, and probably just add some of my own reasoning to it.



This list... serves no purpose other than making you look active. Town reads are worse than useless day 1 as 1. they are even weaker than day 1 scumreads and 2. points to scum who to kill to cause confusion.

EDIT: There was more but WBG and Navillus covered it whilst I was writing

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On May 22 2012 05:37 Navillus wrote:
Okaaay so my WBG vote was a joke, I do not actually think it's a good idea to lynch one of our 2 vets on that basis alone and I am not really of the opinion that advice is an automatic scum-tell, it'd be nice to have a little benefit of the doubt on me not being an idiot.

Next ##Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew


As far as I can tell he's just posting with flavor text from mtg cards, if that continues I don't really care if he's scum or town it makes him impossible to read, doesn't let him contribute, and makes for a really shitty atmosphere. Mattchew stop it.

On N_T yes VE and WBG I'd say he's using pretty bad method of scumhunting/analysis and his vote is for a dumb reason, but that doesn't make him scum and aside from clear-cut examples of someone being useless or disruptive (such as restricting their posts to text from a card game) it's a bad idea to lynch someone for bad play, in my experience it's rarely a scumtell and depending on how they're playing badly it can be more of a town tell.

Tunkeg you asked a bunch of questions earlier, most of them were ignored, was there any point to them? Why don't you care that people didn't answer you/why aren't you following up? Also why post that list, if you have scum reads why aren't you just pressuring them instead of telling them, and how does telling everyone your town-reads do anything but let scum know who you think is townie and so light them up as targets?

Holy spam batman! NT scum or town please stop with multiple one or two line posts in a row, it's distracting and makes the thread harder to read through, consolidate.


How is voting for Mattchew due to his posting style (which you consider to be *Bad*) different to voting N_T based on bad play?

I don't necessarily disagree with you I just think you're being a little inconsistent. Shoot I forgot to unvote as promised:

##Unvote
##Vote Katina


Inactive players kill town. Katina, my vote stays on you until you make an appearance.


I made an apperance earlier today. Do you not read over the thread my dear?

On May 22 2012 03:27 Nova_Terra wrote:
On May 22 2012 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 21 2012 21:17 Nova_Terra wrote:
Hey VE since you seem to want to ignore my challenge who do you wanna kill


Hey Nova, since you seem to want to ignore my question to you (something that's actually USEFUL to this game, unlike your "challenge"), how about you actually answer it instead of trying to distract town with meaningless drivel? I'll even repost it for your convenience.

On May 21 2012 08:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 21 2012 05:59 Nova_Terra wrote:
On May 21 2012 05:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Whether or not advice is good has nothing to do with the alignment of a player, just the same as making a plan, regardless of how good it is, is generally not indicative of alignment.

If the advice makes sense, follow it. If not, don't. The question of "is this guy scum" has nothing to do with that.

I never said that it has anything to do with indicacating the alignment of the player,i said that general advice seems to be contributing but isnt really. and that its just as likely mister helpful is scum, etc.


Your style has so far been laced with an air of giving advice to the other players - in what way is Bugs' post giving advice any different from, say, you warning that "players trying to give advice could be scum"?

ooh i forgot about that
Its different because its not all i've done
and because i know im town
and its not really different itself, but i was aware of the hypocrisy before i made teh post


I would to bring attention to this lovely post. N_T might be the BM version 2! I say this because of his spam, oneliners, and the fact he seems to be refreshing the thread every 5 minutes. When BM is mafia he always over emphasizes that he is confirmed town.

Such things are silly to say and provide no help to the town I will be setting my vote.

##Vote Nove_Terra

Based on his fliter, he seems to more interesting in proving his innocence then trying to find the Mafia.

Then we have a wonderfully awful case against myself, decides to link me to another player and therefore i am mafia (lolwut)
This post is also wonderful because once gets accused of lurking... NO LOOK I WAS HERE BEFORE READ READ READ WHY U NO READ

So so far we have a silly case and vote that adds suspicion to players with no logical reasoning, getting defensive when called out on totally true lurking, and meta that is the exact same as her last games scum meta

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On May 22 2012 08:07 Katina wrote:
On May 21 2012 18:37 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
hi- now my presence is known. saying "get rid of a veteran" indicates that you are worried that an experienced Mafia player will either weasel you out~ if your mafia or kill you if you are not so due to this rash decision to get rid of competition so on that note #vote:Nova_Terra


I was reading through filters and came across this post. It is just O.o This post does not have a purpose. It feels forced. Almost like he didn't really want to post but knew that he had to. I'm not saying we should kill him but that a finger of suspicion should be pointed onto him.

He just played the noob card in his post. I'm always wary of those people. They don't tickle my fancy.

Oh cool, now we have a secondary target being thrown out, but not only is this post throwing out a secondary target...
Its pretty much doing the same thing as Katina was pointing out here, and more importantly shes asking for someone to do the dirty work for her. Im not sure we should but he should be suspicious everybody notice i do stuff.

Now heres the first real "closer look post"
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On May 23 2012 04:19 Katina wrote:
Sorry, I'm here now. I had a very busy day yesterday but it's all good now.

On May 21 2012 04:45 Nova_Terra wrote:
Yaaaaaay!
Should we get rid of a veteran? should we? I THINK SO :D
##Vote: VisceraEyes


On May 22 2012 01:26 Nova_Terra wrote:
as of yet i would be fine with either a Navillus or WBG lynch


On May 22 2012 04:34 Nova_Terra wrote:
On May 22 2012 04:16 froggynoddy wrote:
Hello, finally recovered from weekend (did not expect this game to start so early).

Hello Marv : I'm almost tempted to policy vote you due to how scary good you played with me as scum in LIV. Policy lynches are bad though so your safe until you post more.

I don't think WBG's opening comment is alignment charged. there are equal reasons for both town and scum to open up D1 with general common sense posts.

From the 2 games I've played (Noobie VIII and TLMafia LIV) and N_T has been lurky/bored as townie and hyper-active as scum. Just saying.

Navillus, despite still being a noob I am strongly against a 'voting against vets' policy. It makes no sense and seems hugely anti-town, unless its a joke.

Let me know if it is because until then ##Vote Navillus[/b

Rofl, well thats interesting, it looks like i just went through your newbie game (snmmIX not VIII, bitch to find) and in that game there was an understanding that my town meta was very very active which i ended up failing at as scum, and my meta change was frequently noted in cases against me. Very interesting that you would want to try to make this conclusion. what reason would there be other than scum?

##Unvote
##Vote: Froggynoddy


On May 22 2012 14:24 Nova_Terra wrote:
On May 22 2012 14:18 EchelonTee wrote:
acid, jeb, katina, or no lynch

i think one of those should happen

in no particular order froggy, katina, WBG


Okay.... please tell me you guys have seem how inconsistent N_T is. Take a look at his filter. He opens with going after VE right off the back with close to no reasoning except he that he might be a veteran. Then he proceeds to spew out short useless posts. He is throwing doubt around the town and is picking at everyone. I don't need to tell you guys he's spamming relentlessly. As I said before he seems more interested in proving his own innocence than trying to find mafia. This is shown by how he is trying to kill anyone he can. Instead of just focusing on one or two players.

First part of the post is literally the exact same excuse as LIV where she says that she had a busy night so apologies apologies, good job
Then is this awful reasoning that i am scum, looks like to me once she realized that my vote got sufficient traction it was time to bandwagon a real reason for hers
Problem is, the reasons are bull. So right now it appears that she opposes pressure (apparently pressuring a veteran isnt ok) and its a problem that i picked at "everyone" (actually 6 people, 15 people in town. i dont see the problem). Furthermore, as she had just been in a game with me, i would assume she knows how i post spammily and this shouldnt be surprising to her. Unless she rolled scum, and is bullshitting, that is. Apparently its a bad thing to not only focus on 1 or 2 players (what? trying to limit a vote where there is no no-lynch?)

Then theres a couple worthless short defenses of herself. then this wonderful gem:
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On May 23 2012 06:27 Katina wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...=325394&user=255225

Look at this link where N_T was mafia. Notice that he spams here.... and what is he doing this game?
...
...
Spam!

.....
Not only is this completely stupid to have not seemed to read the thread, she says that my spam is similar to a game i played mafia in
But wait, i was just in a game with you where i was town
AND I SPAMMED
So now shes just throwing shit to try to get a nice mislynch, doesnt matter if it makes sense as long as it casts suspicion, amirite katina
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 06:52 Katina wrote:
On May 23 2012 06:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Regardless of his alignment nova seems to post a lot. Over the span of a week in games where he was scum and town he had 8-10 pages of filter in both.

Only his first game seems to be an anomaly with 5 pages after 9-10 days but that's still quite a lot (especially for a newbie game)

So why is it, Katina, that you're trying to pass off Nova's spam as exclusively a scum trait?


I'm not. I'm just saying he has done it before.

OWAIT NOOOO dont get me wrong im not trying to say that hes scum because of it! im just suggesting its a possibility11!!!!!

Do i seriously need to explain this


Then theres some wonderful sheeping on the "mattchews posting is cute but maybe hes scum"
Good job saying nothing original (again)

WIFOM: Katina was one of ET's main suspects that he was fine with lynching, but wasnt noticed very much
Same meta as scum Katina
[b]##Vote: Katina


this is a good case, sorry i missed it. more people should read this and give their thoughts
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 21:40 GMT
#872
On May 25 2012 06:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 06:30 Mattchew wrote:
ps. its not my fault if you couldn't understand my posts when i was using flavor, I made the message in each one pretty fucking simple and usually revolving around one or two words


Because a one or two word opinion is worth everything?

What do you think of this guy? townie. What about him? stupid. Who is scum and with what reasoning? Mr moobumballs because the sun is low in the sky. Great.

You cannot possible be this fucking stupid, the entirety of day 1 I pushed mouldy jeb, I guess now I wish I had pushed someone else, but I don't think any of my reasoning was flawed (I mean why would a townie knowingly die and not give ANY reads)... This is because i thought he was scum and we only have 1 lynch. At night I gave my overall reads incase i were to die. Shut the fuck out up about being unclear, you have more meaningless one liners than I do dipshit
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 21:43 GMT
#875
On May 25 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
I also have more meaningful content than you, you douchebag twat.

this is highly debatable
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 21:45 GMT
#877
On May 25 2012 06:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 06:40 Mattchew wrote:
On May 25 2012 06:36 marvellosity wrote:
On May 25 2012 06:30 Mattchew wrote:
ps. its not my fault if you couldn't understand my posts when i was using flavor, I made the message in each one pretty fucking simple and usually revolving around one or two words


Because a one or two word opinion is worth everything?

What do you think of this guy? townie. What about him? stupid. Who is scum and with what reasoning? Mr moobumballs because the sun is low in the sky. Great.

You cannot possible be this fucking stupid, the entirety of day 1 I pushed mouldy jeb, I guess now I wish I had pushed someone else, but I don't think any of my reasoning was flawed (I mean why would a townie knowingly die and not give ANY reads)... This is because i thought he was scum and we only have 1 lynch. At night I gave my overall reads incase i were to die. Shut the fuck out up about being unclear, you have more meaningless one liners than I do dipshit


He's got you there Matt - you've only just started typing and calling people stupid - I barely call what you were doing before "meaningful content". However well I was able to understand what you were saying, most people didn't even want to try and that makes your contributions during that phase meaningless. Entirely, actually.

um, so now im blamed for people not wanting to put 2 seconds of effort into the reading my posts?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 21:47 GMT
#879
On May 25 2012 06:45 froggynoddy wrote:
@Matt: you feel like your Roleplay style was as clear as writing in sentences, yet you switch to playing normal once you see that you need to intervene forcibly. This implies that even you found it hard to communicate all that needed to be said.

theres only so many MTG cards too chose from. I was running out and there's not many that say STOP THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 21:48 GMT
#880
On May 25 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
I just don't know in what world posts like this are supposed to be clear or helpful:

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On May 24 2012 06:06 Mattchew wrote:
On May 24 2012 04:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew what do you think of Zealos after marvel's case? I found it pretty convincing myself...I was already a little suspicious of him though so it wasn't going to take much.
+ Show Spoiler [The Entire Zealos Case] +
On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself. He seems very good at pointing out problems, asking questions and what not, but I want to know who you want to kill and why
Not to mention from the very start he distances himself from Acro, instead of trying to make himself look more innocent:
Show nested quote +
Firstly I will not be held responsible for Acro's posting, deal with it.

I understand the reasoning, but it seems like a free copout for acro's scummy posting. Not to mention he makes a lot of small posts with very little use for them other than to seem active.
Show nested quote +
Holy moly I have two votes

Show nested quote +
You're right, I don't, Zealos unvoted me.

Show nested quote +
no u

My point is that townies should in general strive to be as lucid and clear as possible. Don't give a flying two hoots what you think, if Mattchew just talks in plain text, it will achieve this better than speaking in MTG speak or whatever.

Frankly I'm bored with the sheer quantity of townies who seem to not want to do this. Hence the vote.
(ironic)

The point is, useful townies don't use the thread as a place to have a conversation, they use it to root out scum.
So Marvellosity, you've got 4 bullets in your gun, who dies and why?

Big ones hunt the elves, so the elves hunt the small ones to keep them from getting big.

It meant that I thought
a. the zealos case on you was basically nothing (due to the spoiler title) and
b. that you were both town pissing at each other in an attempt to find scum
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 21:54 GMT
#882
On May 25 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 06:45 froggynoddy wrote:

@Marv: Unless you feel like Matt's style was scummy I suggest you back off. Matt seemed to have switched for the good of town rather than to save himself. This to me gives Matt some credit. I for one did not find his roleplay scummy though I do think it limited his content.

Now kiss and make up... unless you think the other is scum, if so write a case.


Sorry froggy, my bad. I missed the memo where forcibly and artificially limiting your own content was a pro-town thing to do.

remember that time you signed up for a Magic the Gathering themed mini game?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 22:00 GMT
#886
vote zelblade shoot katina/froggy

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 22:12 GMT
#891
On May 25 2012 04:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
NO WAIT I'M GOOD WITH A ZELBLADE LYNCH!

^^

why did you post this
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 22:27 GMT
#904
On May 25 2012 07:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Is he one of two people that you're okay with lynching Marvel? If not then I prefer to keep my thoughts about Acid to myself if that's okay with you.

what do you find scummy or bad about zelblade
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 24 2012 22:41 GMT
#910
i think that WBG Marv and VE all think zealous is scum.

I think they are all smart

Humility

##unvote
##vote Zealos
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 25 2012 12:08 GMT
#978
On May 25 2012 21:05 Zealos wrote:
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On May 25 2012 20:23 zelblade wrote:
To be fair most of that was a conversation with WBG.

Tunkeg does look like scum who has given up though, seems like he isnt even trying anymore.

But zealos first.

@zealos who is the most likely to flip red today?


Tunkeg clearly isn't mafia, he's just a godawful town.

there is no way anyone who doesn't know tunkeg's alignment would come to this conclusion

stick with the zealos vote
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 25 2012 13:28 GMT
#998
On May 25 2012 21:17 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 21:08 Mattchew wrote:
On May 25 2012 21:05 Zealos wrote:
On May 25 2012 20:23 zelblade wrote:
To be fair most of that was a conversation with WBG.

Tunkeg does look like scum who has given up though, seems like he isnt even trying anymore.

But zealos first.

@zealos who is the most likely to flip red today?


Tunkeg clearly isn't mafia, he's just a godawful town.

there is no way anyone who doesn't know tunkeg's alignment would come to this conclusion

stick with the zealos vote


Mattchew - do you accept zelblade's real life excuse and what he's posted? How has his return altered your read?

he hasn't posted anything that made me ready to give him a green background but I don't really think he's the best lynch today

also, that quote from ver isn't fitting for this situation.... noone is "someone who appears so unbelievably guilty" in this game, despite how strong you may believe your case and read on Zealos are. I mean look at all the counter examples, like acro from GoT who had a red check, from a confirmed (dead) DT. He went down swinging until his last moments (he tried so hard, it got him modkilled)
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 25 2012 14:06 GMT
#1004
froggy i find it pretty ironic you call me and marv abusive (among other things) and then in a later paragraph call the us all "butthurt"
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 25 2012 16:23 GMT
#1033
On May 26 2012 00:43 Zealos wrote:
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On May 24 2012 15:34 Zealos wrote:
I can't believe no one else detects the Red on Hiro.....

I guess I'll try to convince you later, got an exam to run to.

Was hoping at least one of the vets would pick up on this...

you are not claiming detective... are you
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