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On May 26 2012 08:56 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 08:52 marvellosity wrote:Tunkeg, if you spent half the time scumhunting as talking about arguing, we'd actually be getting somewhere  True. I'll try to calmdown by tomorrow and be of any use.
No dude try and calm down now - there are people here and we can actually do some shit.
-.-
I'm starting to think this is futile.
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I don't know anymore - but at this point if I push him further it will only ensure that he won't get lynched because "there goes VE again" so I'm trying to find NON-Bugs scum.
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Well, I mean it would be all to easy to fake an angry reaction - anger is the easiest thing to fake, you just have to throw a few curse words in there and that's that. The question is: do you believe the reaction was genuine IN CONTEXT. Like, do you think he had any reason to be as angry as he did? Because believing the reaction is genuine is one thing, but it has to make sense too in order for it to be genuine. Does Matt's "genuine frustration" seem understandable to you?
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On May 26 2012 09:04 wherebugsgo wrote: screw steam, load a game then someone d/cs, load another lol
I'm pretty sure the most likely players to be scum are those who are not involved in this conversation right now.
You're describing every ranked game of LoL I've ever played.
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I mean, you missed the point, but that's okay...I'll just go reread the exchange myself.
What do you think about Katina, marv? Bugs and I have made our opinions known on the implications of Zealos' flip regarding Katina, but I don't recall your input.
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I mean, I can't accept that with my new Zen mindstate - we look at things from different viewpoints to see if the "decisive opinion" we've already arrived at still makes sense.
.....kay?
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On May 26 2012 09:16 zelblade wrote: I think the VE and WBG agurements are stupid.
Most of the thread does - it's why I can't get a damn wagon rolling XD
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On May 26 2012 09:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I can't accept that with my new Zen mindstate - we look at things from different viewpoints to see if the "decisive opinion" we've already arrived at still makes sense.
.....kay? I had done already (because actually I like to be thorough) and I did provoke him more than once with my sarcasm. This lines up with my previous view.
Well, then say that instead of "No fool I won't look at your viewpoint!"
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On May 26 2012 09:23 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 09:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 26 2012 09:16 zelblade wrote: I think the VE and WBG agurements are stupid.
Most of the thread does - it's why I can't get a damn wagon rolling XD If you really think WBG is scum, why do you think he posted this : Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 01:43 wherebugsgo wrote: Do any of you ever stop to think why Zealos may be impervious to a wagon?
Stop to think of why he may not be getting as many votes as we want him to.
Stop and reread his posts. At the time, there was no real traction on the Zealos case, so it's not bussing his teammate.
Bugs also jumped off the Zealos wagon SUPER FAST when the Zelblade wagon happened, so I'm not finding any "to bus or not to bus" arguments very compelling at this point.
But anyway, I'm trying not to look at bugs right now, shoo! 
What is YOUR interpretation of the Zealos flip Acid? What do you think about Tunkeg's opinion about Mattchew's behavior leading up to the lynch?
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On May 26 2012 09:26 zelblade wrote: Whilst I might be wrong, I dont think that scum will hard defend a fake DT claim like that. More likely than not it would seem that they would try and get the wagon going, but not actually push it hard to avoid the backlash from it. As such, the person I am probably most suspicious (from D2 lynch) of is froggy, who decided to not doubt the claim at all, only to backpedal on it when there was clearly some resistance, and it looked like zealos was still going to get lynched.
I will need to read his filter and stuff before I come to a decision on wether or not I think hes scum. Remember thinking him of not doing much (null) before this, but we'll see.
Then who would you kill tonight if you had a gun?
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On May 26 2012 09:31 marvellosity wrote: Tunkeg: the problem I have with that case on Mattchew is that I can easily provide the town narrative for it as well.
There's a town and scum narrative for virtually every action that can take place. Simply being able to provide both doesn't exclude the possibility of either.
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Okay, until I reread I'm willing to table Matt.
What do you think about Zelblade Marvel? Zelblade was pretty much unanimously the counter-wagon to Zealos, what do you think a late-game DT claim means in regard to Zelblade?
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Do what you can Nav - for my part, I've tried to stop with the Bugs bullshit. He's either scum or not, and all freaking out about it is doing is serve to make me look worse.
No, actually it's been pretty productive since the flip guy, I'm glad you could join us. Who would you kill if you had a gun tonight sir?
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Where the piss IS Mattchew anyway? :/
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As far as your analysis of my actions Marvel, to be fair I hadn't gone back to analyze the claim at all, as you say, but when I did I realized the truth immediately, and gave the only actual analysis of WHY he was absolutely lying.
Add to that the fact that I was, along with Bugs and you, one of the first today to put any pressure on Zealos and I would say that not quite EVERYTHING is wrong.
What I find the most interesting is that you came in here and posted half-assed attacks of me and Bugs now, when you're about to leave, but yesterday when we would have had time to respond to this stuff you had no interest. I mean, I get that it was late, but you had PLENTY of posts yesterday before you went to bed between the observations you just commented on and when you when you left the thread. If "Everything is wrong here" then why not mention it then when I could respond?
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Why would I do that? I found the timing suspicious and commented on it. I used the phrase "as you say" to indicate that there's nothing wrong factually with what you said and tried to explain my actions.
Now...regarding this sudden defensiveness.....
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Also Zealous never breadcrumbed anything that I could see...I posted the very first time he mentioned Hire admit was certainly no breadcrumb...
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*Hiro and it....autocorrect... -.-
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That is a soft claim...a breadcrumb is like...him hinting at his action BEFORE he makes it so.that if he dies we as a town can guess at the actions he took...he did no such thing.
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Well all I can do is try and prove you wrong.
And I thought we were going to find the scum together. This recent turn makes me a sad VE.
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