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On May 24 2012 07:39 Toadesstern wrote: I wanted slot 25! 14 is awkwardly in the middle. People might want to lynch me because of that. Here I am, waiting for the perfect number to be next in the list, not signing up all the time and once 25 is up he signs me up under 14  Suck it, Trebek. | ||
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On May 26 2012 05:32 EchelonTee wrote: Yeah, mg wont be the lurkiest anyways even being gone for a whole weekend. Sounds good to me. GL HF peeps Are we all jus agreeing here and now that mg is midnightgladius and we'll just call the other mg majujubees or something? Cause otherwise this could get confusing. | ||
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On May 26 2012 07:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Guys, since I learned how well arrogance works last game, I need to top that effort. With this in mind I present you with the scum list before the roles are distributed: Mattchew Pandian Hassybaby phagga grush57 MidnightGladius GG scum, you can resign now + Show Spoiler + I think telling the scum they can resign will be my catchphrase Wait! Does this mean... + Show Spoiler [sunglasses] + Kenpachi is town? | ||
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(In case it isn't obvious, I think it's important to be able to hold the mayor at least somewhat accountable, and that means you have to be able to analyze their posts in a serious way.) 2. That segues well into why you should vote for me for vice leader! I take things seriously and am easy to subject to analysis. I don't mean "hey I'm always transparent because I suck at scum"; people running for things always say that. What I mean is that when I post I'll do my best to include my reasons and background, and you all can do your best to tear them apart or find corroboration. So, why am I running for vice leader/pardoner? Well, last game I played was my first time being a blue role, and it was really fun; I want to try something new this game as well. Last thing: my platform for vice leader. The vice leader's only power is to nullify a lynch once per game. I'm not gonna say "I'll only use the pardon if town wants me to" because that would be retarded since town voted for the lynch. What I will say is that if I ever use the pardon, I'll announce that I'm considering pardoning the person loooong before the lynch happens and I'll discuss it fully. There's a 90% chance that I won't use the pardon at all during the game, because in general flips on suspicious players tend to be pretty helpful for town. The only case where I use the pardon would be one where I'm very sure of my town read on someone, and where there are at least a few other people who think I'm making sense. So, vote for me! | ||
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On May 27 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote: Oh yeah and if I get second place and end up as Vice Mayor, here's my promise about how I'll use the pardon power: I will use it if/when I think it will help the town. I make no promises whether or not I will discuss it with anyone or whether I will or won't use it. If I think I can help us win the game, I'll take that opportunity. Typically this will give me a chance to discuss it beforehand, but I will not make stupid rules about how I use my power. I will try to win. I assumed that this election would work the same as the election in the last game I played, where there were two separate elections for mayor and pardoner (holy roman mafia). I just looked through GreyMist's filter though and saw that the runner-up becomes the vice leader, so there's really no point running a campaign specifically for that position. | ||
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On May 27 2012 14:28 Blazinghand wrote: So are you gonna run for mayor or what Probably not. I don't really feel confident enough in day 1 reads to decide the lynch. OTOH, getting double the votes sounds nice. Let me sleep on it. | ||
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And the question "why are you trying to get a power that's almost useless for town but super useful for scum" has a retardedly obvious answer, doesn't it? So scum can't have that power? Finally, it's not that I don't know why I like ET more than the other three of you. It's that I didn't want to come right out and say "half of everything bh or ve post is retarded or trolling" because you're both pretty good players and have a lot more experience than me; but I honestly think it's better to have a mayor who takes all their posts seriously so we can analyze them, rather than someone who posts like a retard or trolls half the time. | ||
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However I don't see how your questions for me make sense. I didn't even mention the "keep pardoner power out of scum hands" the first time because that seemed me the obvious motivation for any townie to run for that office, and I was interested in explaining why I specifically was interested in running for that. I'm interested in hearing where I've been omgus-ing, from whoever it was that accused me of that before; as far as I cam tell I haven't called bh scum, but I could be missing something. | ||
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What I do think, and is hopefully phrased in a better way, is that both of you can on occasion get into posting patterns which are non-constructive and hard to analyze. I do think the mass of posts last night between ET and BH was an example of this, and I think that VE tends to do this when he thinks he's right and town is wrong. I will still be supporting EchelonTee for mayor for the reasons I stated above: I think his posting style makes it easier to understand and analyze his leadership than it would for BH and VE. I'm not sure about Wiggles' candidacy, I don't think I've played many games with him yet. I'll keep thinking about that. | ||
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On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote: I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low. @Hyaach: What do you think about Kitaman voting for you? Or anything else, for that matter. @Wiggles: What do you think about strongandbig? He's your main competitor on current form. To the 60% of players who haven't posted at all yet, please do. No need to feel intimidated. There is no separate election for pardoner, the runner up for mayor becomes the pardoner. It's true that pardoner's power is really bad if it gets into scum hands, so people should only vote for their strong town reads; but since mayor does so much more to determine the early town atmosphere, has a power that can actually be used without the whole town jumping on him, and gets double votes, I think we should not be voting for anyone who is mostly running for vice leader. We can worry about organizing town to get a particular person into second place if the mayoral election looks like it has an obvious winner, but until that point we should be voting for a mayor IMO. | ||
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2. Sinensis are you still running for mayor? Do you still want to policy lynch grush? I'm pretty sure BH still does but idk about you. 3. MrWiggles, you've said a lot about pardoner but this is an election for mayor. Also, how do we know if you're town? Obviously the "I'm town" paradigm posted by the subject of suspicion should always be treated with several grains of salt, but it can still be useful to townies making up their minds so I'd like it if you could post one. | ||
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On May 28 2012 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I spelled it out myself. Okay, so I like Kita/Sinensis for scum so far...which is actually kinda disturbing, what do you think about 2 scum pretty much just claiming in thread like that? Seems too easy...but anyway there are lurkers to consider. What are the chances that ANY scum are among those who haven't posted yet? I think Mattchew or one of the other older players may be playing scummylurky. I recall ET did that explicitly and on purpose in SS mafia, maybe one of them (someone who recently lost a game as scum by being super active and leadery in the thread until I shot him) is doing that. + Show Spoiler [wiggles on me] + On May 28 2012 17:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote: strongandbig: I believe strongandbig is scummy because of how he made a decision to run for pardoner, and then just sort of fell out of the running and didn't even try to continue to gain support after being called out. He comes in and makes a post saying that he wants to be the pardoner. Quickly, BH calls him out on it, and after some back and forth, he drops his candidacy. It seems to me that scum would love to be able to nab the role of pardoner. This is what strongandbig set out to do, but when he was actually called out about running specifically for pardoner and was put under pressure, he was very quick to just drop his candidacy altogether. I think this is a sign of being scum, since it displays that he was very nervous in running. I feel as though a townie in that position wouldn't back off from running so quickly and after so little pressure. Also, his reason for not continuing to run is odd as well. He says it's because there aren't separate elections, but in my eyes, it seems more because he didn't like that he immediately came under scrutiny and was pressured. Even beyond his candidacy, strongandbig's posting has been very safe, and not very relevant to the game or contributory. He hasn't provided us with many original thoughts, and has been very reserved since he got called out by BH. Again, this looks like he's afraid of being in the spotlight or being put under pressure. 1. I stopped running for pardoner when I realized that it wasn't a separate election from the mayor's election. That's how it worked in the last game I played, and it wasn't specified in the OP. Once I figured out that it was the same election, I stopped running for reasons I've already explained -- I don't want to be mayor. 2. BH's "scrutiny" didn't make any sense at all! 2a: His first point was "why did you run for vice mayor instead of running for mayor, your reasons for running for vice mayor also apply to mayor." I had already answered that point (I don't trust my day1 reads enough to kill someone off). 2b: His second point was "hey first you said you wanted to do something different because blue roles are fun and then later you said that you want to keep pardoner power away from scum what gives those are different." I didn't mention keeping pardoner power away from scum because I thought it would be obvious; if a power is useful for scum and not for town then town should try to keep it away from scum. 3: IDK what you mean when you say I was "called out for running specifically for pardoner" - that's exactly what I was doing, it's not like I was trying to hide it or anything. I thought there were separate elections since it didn't say in the OP that the runner-up becomes the vice leader, I had to look through greymist's filter to figure that out. Basically, my point is that I wasn't trying to avoid scrutiny or the spotlight. There really just wasn't much worth responding to. Also after BH and ET blew up the thread over my poorly chosen comments about BH, I didn't want to drag the thread down any more. Think about this - if I was scum, by not posting I gave up a golden opportunity to get just as emotional as BH was and keep the thread fucked up for at least several more pages. | ||
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Also because he and Wiggles are the most reasonable and towny-seeming candidates ATM, and Wiggles apparently wants to shoot me. | ||
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My Finger of Suspicion points currently at supersoft. On May 28 2012 06:00 supersoft wrote: And this is actually something i agree with. The electionroles in this game are basically pretty meaningless. This pardonerguy and this mayor. Pfff i mean, they will die before LYLO anyway so there is really nothing to worry about. This is not a good town attitude. As has been discussed, these roles are super important for town - each of them can pretty much fuck up an entire cycle by denying town info, plus there's the mayor's double vote. On May 29 2012 03:03 supersoft wrote: My strongest townread is forumite and therefor i vote him for office. I think everyone should do the same. Result will be, that most likely townplayers are in this office and not some players you guys expect to win the game for you. Btw this office with no bodyguards is no office we want to vote the players in, who are in danger of getting shot tonight. I <3 forumite and I agree that he's probably town, but this is a terrible plan. If everyone just votes for their "strongest town read" instead of for one of the actual candidates, then the votes are likely to get very spread out giving mafia a good chance to swing the election by coordinating, either to get one of them elected or just to avoid getting someone they're scared of or who's on the right track elected. Lol. Kenpachi'd by the kenpachi copycat. And in case anyone doesn't think this works, I got caught by BC with it in SS mafia. It does work, probably because claiming VT is suspicious and weird behavior that scum think they can gain towncred for by calling out. On May 28 2012 05:58 supersoft wrote: good example for a completely nontelling post. You FoS Toadesstern?! because you disagree with him regarding this ET guy? What is your plan?! What do you want? Toad claimed Mason; he reacted kind of okay when i pressured him (regarding that he's mason his reaction actually is okay). Please, make a plan and dont pressure around randomly. We got everything from toad he has to offer right now. Badluck he seems to be mason and we forced him to claim that. This also is a bit of an odd post. Why does the fact that Toad claimed mason change SS's impression of his townplay? SS had some really strong reads on Toad, saying things like "I know your townplay." More importantly, SS's points on Toad were 100% right - saying "elect me because I'm unreadable" and "I will magically kill scum on day 1" like toad did are super suspicious! I tend to agree with many people that this leans towards Toad being third party. So why did SS back off here? Also, how did we "force" Toad to claim anything? There was literally no reason for Toad to claim some kind of nonstandard target-changing un-roleblockable "manipulation-proof" (wtf?) mason role, as part of his campaign for Mayor. This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum. | ||
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On May 29 2012 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote: This is just one example of anti-town information to share with the class. In fact, this almost makes me disbelieve the claim. Toad wtf are you doing? If this makes you "almost" disbelieve his claim, what about the On May 28 2012 07:11 Toadesstern wrote: Also I have a super secret I haven't told about my super awesome powers which works against manipulation. and On May 28 2012 23:04 Toadesstern wrote: ALTHOUGH I HAVE A FUCKING ANIT-MANIPULATION POWA | ||
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On May 29 2012 05:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude I totally didn't even realize that BH was gunning for grush too! /facepalm Okay, yeah...that makes sense then. Like, if he had been the first to push a grush policy lynch then that would be one thing: proposing a weak policy lynch that's guaranteed to be shot down is easy as fuck for scum...but wholly unnecessary if someone has already run on the platform of killing grush. He could be telling the truth that they were typing their posts out at the same time. I mean, if his only goal is really to kill off grush, then there's not really any reason for him to run as town either, when BH is already doing the same thing. | ||
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On May 29 2012 04:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What I mean by the called out comment is that BH called you out for running for pardoner, and instead of really defending your candidacy, you just dropped it. It looks suspicious to me, because it looks like you decided to stop running at the first sign of pressure, and just used the voting mechanics as an excuse. Well, I really did just play in the Caller game which had different mechanics, and this game's mechanics really weren't explained in the OP. Hopefully we can agree on that, because those are actual neutral facts. As for my motivations for dropping my candidacy, if you just straight up don't believe me then there's really nothing I can say to change that. I did what I did for exactly the reasons I said I did. On May 29 2012 04:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What do you think of sinensis? I just read through his filter, didn't take very long. He has pretty much not talked about anything but his policy lynch on grush, as well as a small amount of attacking people who disagree with it. Clearly, I don't think this is helping town. As for whether he's scum: right now I'm pretty much null on him, unfortunately. He's not really posting enough or attacking people enough to be playing a full-on thread-destroying VE style scum. His obsessive focus on the one issue could be a way for scum to hide from engaging with actual issues, but he's posting too much to be sure about that given that this game has so many actual super lurkers. Basically, he looks like he could be scum using the grush issue as an excuse to avoid commenting on other things, or he could be a townie who actually is so mad about grush's play in the last game that he doesn't care about the other issues we've talked about on day 1. | ||
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On May 29 2012 06:00 EchelonTee wrote: While I think Zealos/Mattchew are scummy for a few reasons, I'd rather hold off on them for a few reasons. You guys better step up your play if you're town. RE: Strongandbig This case is late (which will be sure to set of Wiggles' alarm bells :p) and ninja'd for the most part, but here are my reasons for wanting to lynch SnB. His campaign post has been already pointed out as strange. Why state "I am running for mayor b/c blue role is fun"? It appears that he doesn't care to run for mayor to help town; even when townies run for mayor off of bad reasoning, they at least appear focused in some aspect. SnB's campaign feels like a small conglomarate of generic reasons ("I will make cases. I will use pardoner role if I think it's ok but I will discuss it") that could easily be faked by a newbie scum. While generally I would think newbie scum (he has had around 4 games now though? he's breaking out) would be reluctant to go for a role, note that his original election campaign was only for the pardoner. The pardoner role has much less accountability (no lynch, no extra vote), while still having some sway. I could see his vet scum buddies not wanting to go for election b/c no bodyguards, and instead let SnB go for it. If you think I'm being "let go for an election" by veteran scum buddies, don't you think that they would have told me there was no pardoner election? On May 29 2012 06:00 EchelonTee wrote: The majority of his filter is filled with posts like this, posts that don't really talk about much. While it is true that I have a long filter chock full of setup speculation, talking about general shit, etc., since I have a higher post count, I have the time to both post about that stuff, and post reads/opinions. In SnB's case, with his limited posting he has only posted one case, but worse so, he has posted very little opinions about anybody. He states that he thinks me and Wiggles look townie. Thanks bro, but that's about it. You're ignoring the whole blazinghand thing. Seriously, do you think I should have done something other than just wait for that to blow over? On May 29 2012 06:00 EchelonTee wrote: He states that he thinks supersoft is scummy, builds case. While his case isn't bad, it consists of "this turn by supersoft is not logical, therefore he is scum". Read this last paragraph from his case.+ Show Spoiler + This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum. It doesn't take much to see that the logic there is pretty convoluted. "looks like a scum SS saw he could make town cred, but backed off when he realized toad could be lyncher"? ... Do you disagree with my actual interpretation though? Or just think it's "convoluted"? On May 29 2012 06:00 EchelonTee wrote: And even now, when given an opportunity to take a stance on someone (Sinensis), he is still waffly. No me gusta. So what? You want me to say "yeah he's totally 100% scum lynch him instead of me?" I'm posting my honest opinion. I'm on the verge of being lynched, it's not like hedging my bets is keeping me out of the spotlight or anything like that. Obviously, I think that sinensis is a better lynch target than I am. He's got a very good chance of flipping mafia, and his play hasn't been helping town at all. It's just that after how the Holy Roman Empire game was thrown away by the last townie, I can also kind of empathize with him wanting to get revenge. I also think Mattchew is a better lynch target than I am; his play is drastically different than normal, but we know he's paying enough attention to the thread to vote and tell us that he will be paying even less attention starting tomorrow. I also think supersoft is a better lynch target than I am. You yourself said my case was not bad, plus check out his response to it. Totally willing to engage in discussion about his actions and posts, right? On May 29 2012 06:00 EchelonTee wrote: Filter analysis seems to corroborate his scumminess. His filter from Wheel of Fortune. He talks about setup speculation in an extensive manner along with a plan (that code thing). Has opinions on several people D1. His filter from Space Station. Doesn't take stances on almost anyone, doesn't build much cases. Disclaimer: one of his first games. This is partly due to the fact that this is an election game, but mostly due to me not wanting to shit up the thread with you and blazinghand. On May 29 2012 06:00 EchelonTee wrote: Lastly, the case doesn't feel too "easy". This is more of an abstract thing, but when a lynch seems to be proceeding too easily (tons of people agreeing easily except for one or more so mavericks), then it feels like a mislynch. Think Janaan from TL Mafia LI; who actually opposed that lynch? SnB has had some people indicate that they see SnB as "null" or "not scummy enough" to lynch atm. However, since the progenitors of the case are people that I currently trust, I have reason to believe that the resistance is healthy, and the case is strong. I will kill SnB if elected. Alternatively, if Wiggles is elected I hope he will pick SnB over Sinensis. I.... don't really think this makes much sense. I'm more likely to be scum because people think I'm less likely to be scum? I mean, I realize you could be saying that the people doubting the bandwagon on me are my scummy buddies, I guess. But we both know that would be terrible play for them, and it's very unlikely that they would do this on day1 rather than just try and get themselves town cred. But that's just wifom anyway, so whatever. But seriously ET, think this through for a minute. You're saying I'm noob scum making obvious mistakes, but at the same time that the case on me is uncertain and my mistakes aren't so obvious that it's easy, so therefore it's better? I don't think that makes sense. Either I'm a noob scum, who ran a retarded election for a position that isn't actually elected, then explicitly told people not to vote for anyone who was only running for that position. Who attacked a couple of players' campaigns for mayor and then backed off when one of them got emotional about it. Who could have taken the opportunity to push for the easier lynch on sinensis but instead tried to get people to look at supersoft for no strategically sound reason. Who even then when given a second chance to attack sinensis, didn't firmly say he was scum. Or I'm a new-ish townie, who came out of a game with a similar election and made a simple mistake, who didn't want to shit up the thread when blazinghand exploded at me, and who is trying to get people to look at the players I think are scummy. The latter of these two is both much simpler and true. I'm town. | ||
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On May 29 2012 06:44 EchelonTee wrote: I didn't say I would kill you no matter what blah blah blah, and I'm reading your response lol. Though voting for Wiggles is just fine. I also don't think your case on supersoft is good. My biggest point on you is the whole "no opinions on people". Any other lynch candidates? Other than Mattchew and Sinensis? (And supersoft, but I'm assuming he's the one who you want other ones than.) Not really. There's a lot of lurking going on, but it's pretty much impossible to just pull one out of that pile. There's three reasons I pulled out Mattchew: 1. we know he usually doesn't play like this, 2. he said he'd be gone starting tomorrow, yet here he is having barely posted all weekend, and 3. he is paying enough attention to vote and comment on the candidates, but not enough to actually say anything. But basically, no I don't have any other lynch candidates from those three. I also think Toad is lying about being a mason; his roleclaim doesn't make any sense, and neither do his reasons for claiming. He is behaving like a lyncher would, and if people think that's fine to leave alive then he doesn't make sense as a day1 lynch, since he chose to claim mason and we can confirm that. | ||
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Kenpachi, Meeple, phagga, alderan, cwave, MidnightGladius and FirmTofu all have not yet voted, and there are two hours left. | ||
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On May 29 2012 20:17 Blazinghand wrote: Good point! It's actually literally impossible for a mafia player to do that, and by saying "I was busy for 48 hours" you're doing something that only a town player could do! That really DOES excuse your D1 play :D Furthermore, your VT claim TOTALLY makes sense, was 100% useful to town, and definitely won't help scum target the blues.  As a final note, when people make weird claims like that, post nothing for 48 hours, then make non-reasons to defend themselves not posting any reads or pressure D1, that's unbelievably helpful, and really is how all TL townies should play. You are not suspicious at all.  Look, BH - I understand that you were offended, and I shouldn't have said what I said. I apologized to you twice, and tried to explain what I meant/should have said. Can we move on now? Posts like the one I quoted and the one before it in your filter aren't helping the town atmosphere. Let's also clear something up so we can move on. Are you satisfied with how I responded to your pressure on my aborted pardoner campaign or do you still want me to explain myself? @stofu: Your long reads post reminds me a lot of what I would have posted in my first scum games. I ended up subconsciously being very noncommittal that game, even though I didn't mean to. So how about you commit to something - who is your number 1 scum read? If you were a compulsive vigilante (had to shoot someone tonight) who would you shoot? (those don't have to be the same person.) | ||
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On May 29 2012 03:03 supersoft wrote: My strongest townread is forumite and therefor i vote him for office. I think everyone should do the same. Result will be, that most likely townplayers are in this office and not some players you guys expect to win the game for you. Btw this office with no bodyguards is no office we want to vote the players in, who are in danger of getting shot tonight. As long as we're talking about super soft, I still haven't heard any response other than "wrong" explaining how this plan is not super scummy. | ||
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Lynching zealos was in no way the town consensus. It may have been the consensus of two or three players who were around and talking near deadline, but the doesn't make it the town consensus. There had been much more discussion about lynching either me or Sinensis. And I explained why your plan is scummy. I don't agree that votes would automatically congeal around a few people if everyone just voted their strongest town read, and my evidence is twofold: 1, votes were already congealing around et and wiggles, and your plan would have strongly diluted them, and 2, town reads really do diverge a great deal. Apparently you got a town read from toad somehow after his mason claim. Apparently forumite thinks you're town for some reason. I think it looks like a scum win-win to post your plan when you did. Either you get people off of the two main candidates and increase the coordination of scum, or you get to park your vote on someone who wasn't running for anything, thus getting to do exactly what you are doing now: avoid taking a position on the day1 lynch, and then Monday morning quarterbacking it later. | ||
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On May 30 2012 06:14 Forumite wrote: S&B, where you be? Still in lab bro. Any questions in particular I can answer when I get out? I still think supersoft is scummy, mattchew is still weirdly lurking but at least this time it's when he said he would be lurking. He still didn't post nearly enough d1 though. | ||
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On May 30 2012 07:09 supersoft wrote: 4 the people who dont know me. That was my last game as far as I remember: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=237734¤tpage=All http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720 won't be able to be around tomorrow - only phone. Dude seriously. Your whole attitude this game needs a reality check. Why should we "know you"? idgaf if you were some kinda hotshot a year or two ago. You ain't done shit this game, and you're gonna get judged by how you play in the game that's currently going on. | ||
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I wonder if he has some kind of super power, like how Drazerk was included in aperture to balance kitaman. Probably not though. | ||
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On May 30 2012 09:23 Toadesstern wrote: why did you assume MZ was shot by mafia and not by a vig like Supersoft has asked people to? Cause I think supersoft is scum. Or at least, he's suspicious enough that vigs wouldn't be listening to him for targets. | ||
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Your play previous to this had been so bad that it made me think you are scum. See my earlier posts. I'm choosing to assume scum are not retarded. Like I said before, if I was a vig again I would have shot you again this game, just like I did last game. (oh wait, you were scum last game? Huh!) | ||
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You have like four posts. You wanted to not vote. Then you voted for someone who wasn't a candidate, thus avoiding taking a stand on the election or the first lynch. You actually didn't post at all during the night. Now you're jumping in with two posts in a row bandwagoning on Mattchew's dipshit "trap"? What gives? As for your actual comments: Yes I do think targeting a vet who's been posting scummily and who is lurking out of character is likely, if someone thought he was scum. It's what I would have done. | ||
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On May 30 2012 09:41 Mattchew wrote: If I was scum that would guarantee you being scum lol... And my previous posts were not bad I said upfront I wasnt going to be around and didn't want the mayor position cause of that You said you weren't going to be around on Tuesday. You didn't post on Sunday or Monday either. Tuesday was N1, but you didn't post at all D1 either. Your only posts - literally - were an excuse for not posting despite being around, some dumb thing about Kenpachi, and a one-liner with your vote. Given how much you post usually, and the total lack of content in the posts you did make, that's enough for me to call your posting "terrible." | ||
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However, I'd rather wait to vote until we've got a bit more information rather than during the first hour or two after the night post. I'm also still waiting to hear an answer to my questions for stofu, his posts look similar to me. | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:36 Blazinghand wrote: That's true. That's very true. You are not the scummiest player in this game. +1 gold star. Can we at least wait until stofu posts fucking anything before we start accusing me of bussing shit? I looked through majujubees' filters in this, holy roman, and the SNMM he was in. I have the same question for him as I did for stofu: majuju, pls commit to a read. Who do you think is scum and why. | ||
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On May 30 2012 13:36 strongandbig wrote: Can we at least wait until stofu posts fucking anything before we start accusing me of bussing shit? I looked through majujubees' filters in this, holy roman, and the SNMM he was in. I have the same question for him as I did for stofu: majuju, pls commit to a read. Who do you think is scum and why. For the record: I'd be 100% fine with a gambit lynch. Unless he shapes up significantly he is probably scum and deserves to be killed. I just don't like voting so early in the day. I want to be able to use that weapon to push someone if I don't find their answers or behavior satisfactory. In fact, looking at Gambit I do find the way he tried to buddy up with me in the middle of his pile-of-crappy-reads posts suspicious. As I think someone's already said in this thread, buddying up to shitty townies is a classic scum manouever, since they can get town cred when the shitty townie is lynched and flips town. At the point he posted, I was looking like a pretty likely lynch and I don't deny that I was in a shitty spot at the time. "but snb," mattchew says, "if he's scummy for defending you then doesn't that make you his scum buddy?" lol no. There's several reasons that's retarded, but the main one you will find just from reading those posts. Was that an actual defense of me, where he committed to an opinion, or provided evidence, or anything? No, it wasn't, it was like one line where he said "hey this guy is probably just a nub town but w/e he might be scum but probably not." Just setting himself up for if I got lynched and flipped town. THAT SAID - I'm still not gonna vote for anyone until I hear from majujubees and stfu. Also - I still think mattchew is scum, and supersoft is scum-ish. Alternatively I guess mattchew could just be pissed at me for shooting him and then gloating about it, but whatever. Still scummy. Also Also - Toad! great to hear that you actually could Mason someone. Let me ask you a question: can you explain a little bit about what your "anti-manipulation power" is? I guess it's okay if you don't want to so you can use it later in secret or w/e but if it was a lie it'd be fine to admit it imo now that we know the rest of your claim is true, as long as you explain it. It's just that something outlandish like a "power that keeps you from being manipulated by the person you're masoning with" doesn't really make sense to me, since that would require the host to jump into your PM convos somehow, and it's the main thing still making me doubt your claim. | ||
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Here's the reason I wanted toad to say something about this claimed anti manipulation power. When you're dealing with a nonstandard power, and when you're dealing with greymist, role does not always equal alignment. Since I have trouble imagining how this power would work, I have trouble believing it. It still feels to me like toad was lying to get elected mayor. That said, I understand that revealing how it works could make it less useful if toad at some point masons a scum or someone he thinks is scummy. So what about this: toad, when you get a mason buddy who you're like 100% sure is town, could you explain this thing to them and they could tell the thread whether they believe you? Also, toad, why did you claim when you did? If the answer is just "to become mayor," then why did you want to be mayor so badly? | ||
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Also if you explained it to MZ and he believes you I'm satisfied. I think he's probably town. | ||
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are roles in the OP alignment confirmed like matthew says? The OP says we can have variants of some roles, does that include variant alignment or only variant abilities? | ||
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On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer? MZ confirmed that he's a mason, not that he's town. In a game with multiple different masons why would you assume they're all town? Again, until we have mod confirmation of that interpretation of the rules I don't think we should act as if we have more information about the mechanics than we actually do. | ||
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But, IF there are *two different masons* with different powers, as Toad claims there are, I see no reason why they would both have to be town. | ||
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Lol k. The role list also doesn't say the mason can change targets or have some magic anti manipulation power in his PMs with his mason buddy. But fine whatever moving on. | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:56 Toadesstern wrote: I'm going to give you a read out my diary from yesterday that I left for my circle in case of preemptive face-lossage weird as in I think you're 3rd party, as in I think you're trying to act like a townie rather than being the somewhat weird townie you usually are.
That's why a VE lynch would be a least hilarious, but yeah I really think you are 3rd party. If you're not 3rd party take it as a compliment but I doubt you're going to flip town. For reference: Scum VE sometimes plays exactly like the "third party VE" you describe. link | ||
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1. Not taking a position is scummy, there's nothing to hold you to later 2. Townies have no way of influencing the game other than voting (and posting lol), not voting takes a lot of the fun out of playing as town. | ||
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But his play this game reminds me too much of the scum play from him in wheel of fortune. It seems no one checked this out in my last post, so I'll post again the link to radfield's case which nailed him that game. In addition to that, his defense of himself was kind of similar, although he took a somewhat different attitude towards Radfield's than to MZ because of their different reputations. Anyway in that game he also posted a longish case after being seriously accused, which he framed as "whether I live or die this person is scum so here's my last help to town." But the main thing is both games include him jumping around between lynch targets and not making a really serious case until after someone made a big serious case on him. ##vote: visceraeyes Just an FYI, though - I'm not 100% confident in this vote. Wbg is right that lynching VE is always risky, plus I'm not sure that VE would be so open with his buddying as scum. The thing is, he could. I think we need to keep up the pressure on gambit and zealos - especially gambit, since he still hasn't even responded to the mason question. I also want to keep it up on supersoft. Apparently other people are giving him a "free pass" for his shitty ass posting night one, but it's high time to step it up. | ||
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Town people, what is the argument against giving VE a target tonight and lynching zealos or gambit? I get that we still won't be sure of VE's alignment if his target dies and flips town, since scum could divert a kp; but how is forcing scum to divert a kp to someone we might otherwise mislynch not a huge win for town? | ||
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Tell me this - if VE gets roleblocked tonight then won't we just waste all of day 3 on the same crap if we no lynch today? Ugh, MZ's case is covincing but my gut is like "no bro don't do it!" | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:33 marvellosity wrote: strongandbig, you're gonna have to make the decision you think is right. Will we go through this tomorrow is not really a valid thought process for deciding on whether someone is scum today, though. Did you vote with me on Hiro on gut? Fuck no. I voted with you because your arguments made more sense. My gut was saying "bro marv 100% scum yo". | ||
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On June 01 2012 08:01 Hassybaby wrote: Also, Wiggles has double vote remember. There's still 14 on VE Takes 15 to lynch I think. | ||
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- G32 - duh - Mattchew - tried lurking, got called out on it by me and others, started lying to town and then his retarded "trap" lol. - supersoft - maybe kita? - gotta look again at VE's case | ||
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He then proceeded to post fuck all during D2. | ||
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Honestly, he could be town, but if he is he's not trying at all to establish that or to help the team at all. He played an extremely active scum game in HR mafia, so it makes sense to me that he would play a lurkier scum this time around. | ||
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On June 01 2012 12:38 EchelonTee wrote: Does anyone know ss's scum meta? If ur letting him off for that zealos thing, it should be noted. Ex: palmar would never do that early bus, whereas I would almost expect scum gonzaw to do it. I have no clue about his meta, but if you just look at his posts! Weren't you the one who told him he wasn't ace? "trying to be like ace" = "scummy as shit" | ||
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I'm officially taking mattchew off of my scum list. I think I tend to tunnel people who attack me for stupid reasons, and this looks like a case of that. Marv, do you think kita is scum as well, and Manson was distancing himself from kita and zealos at the same time? I agree with you that his filter looks terrible though. | ||
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On May 29 2012 08:03 EchelonTee wrote: I agree with you supersoft, I made a post on the same points you said before I read yours.I hear corroboration without prior knowledge is a good sign or something. I think I'll lynch Zealos over SnB, if elected, since SnB's response was not too bad. How reliable do we think this is? If a few people had switched from wiggles to et, et could have actually gotten elected and he would have been held to this. I've been looking over the mayor candidates' filters. I think it's pretty bad that wiggles has posted so much less since he was elected, but I haven't found anything that really stands out as scummy in his filter. Et's campaign, otoh, does feel kind of scummy to me since he was kind of pandering, and his spat with bh feels kind of scummy since it was a huge distraction, but his play since the election feels super townie. Haven't reread BH yet, that's hard for me to do since I still feel bad about inciting him to fuck up the thread. | ||
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On June 02 2012 02:24 Blazinghand wrote: I thought he was scummy. Believe it or not, some players vote to lynch scum, not town. At the time he was lynched, I still thought he was scummy, but G32 was clearly scummier and had claimed scum to the thread, so I voted G32. This is majority lynch not plurality bro. | ||
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