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On May 26 2012 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote: You owe some dudes some hat-related ingestion before you play any more here sir. X( I have never been wrong in hat-eating circumstances, and if I'm wrong about hat-eating in the future, I will literally eat my hat. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Hqgo2.png) | ||
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On May 26 2012 13:39 EchelonTee wrote: do you even wear hats? pix pls The people demand it, so I will show proof. Here's a picture of my streaming with a totally real hat on. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OBExWl.png) As you can see, I totally have this hat and AM INDEED prepared to wear it. | ||
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I nominate myself to be the mayor! My platform is this: Elect me mayor and I'm gonna use the d1 lynch on Grush57. Here's his filter from LIV (link). In this game, he was town, and he was utterly inscrutable and lost the game for the town. I submit that Grush can only hurt us, either by being scum, or by being town and looking exactly like scum. ##Vote: Blazinghand Elect me to be mayor, and I will lynch Grush57. This will help us immeasurably. You can already tell from his filter this game that he's either worthless or scum, and I refuse to lose another game because Grush57 is in it. A vote for Blazinghand is a vote to lynch Grush! Funded by the Blazinghand 2012 campaign. My name is Blazinghand and I approve this message. | ||
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On May 27 2012 13:25 Sinensis wrote: I would settle for being your VP if it means killing grush. Let's make a deal: If it turns out some punk is gonna win who's NOT lynching Grush, we'll consolidate our voting bases to get one of us elected to make sure grush gets lynched. | ||
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On May 27 2012 13:27 Blazinghand wrote: Let's make a deal: If it turns out some punk is gonna win who's NOT lynching Grush, we'll consolidate our voting bases to get one of us elected to make sure grush gets lynched. And by "voting bases" I mean "2 votes" since currently nobody else has voted for us ;_; | ||
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On May 27 2012 13:34 jaj22 wrote: If you're going to policy-lynch someone because they're useless and unreadable, why pick Grush over Kenpachi? Even if Kenpachi is unreadable, he makes vague attempts to TRY to win games when he's town. Grush is always playing for the scumteam regardless of alignment. He must die. On May 27 2012 13:34 jaj22 wrote: I can see why some of you might be bitter from LIV, but at least give people the chance to improve. No. | ||
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In fact, you're willing to let ET, who you admit you like ET but don't know why... and also are hedging on whether or not he's easy to read... but the main thing for mayors is you need to analyze their posts in a serious way? See, you know your own alignment quite well-- you SHOULD know you're town, assuming you are indeed town. If that's the case, why are you trying to get a power that's almost useless for town but super useful for scum? Why not run for mayor? All your reasoning points towards you running for mayor, but you run for vice-mayor and waffle on ET. What's the deal? | ||
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On May 27 2012 13:54 Manason wrote: Assuming that Grush is going to be a bad townie is in my opinion a bad move. Give everyone a chance and the fact that your so set on killing this guy makes me wonder as to how easily you'll decide someone else is guilty. I'm all fine with someone who is set on making town lose die, but give him a chance first and condemn later. Rash decisions are what makes town lose. You clearly didn't read the LIV filter I linked if you think somehow Grush wasn't given a chance to be a good townie. | ||
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I will use it if/when I think it will help the town. I make no promises whether or not I will discuss it with anyone or whether I will or won't use it. If I think I can help us win the game, I'll take that opportunity. Typically this will give me a chance to discuss it beforehand, but I will not make stupid rules about how I use my power. I will try to win. | ||
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On May 27 2012 14:03 Manason wrote: I did indeed, and regardless I still believe that every game is different and it is only fair to disregard previous player actions. As I said before if there is no change in the way Gush conducts himself on the first day, by all means the mayor may lynch him. But I believe in a mayor that makes an informed decision based on actions in the current game rather than lynching him based on what he "might" do. Oh yes what ever would we do without this useful contributions On May 27 2012 11:21 grush57 wrote: Lemony fresh victory shall belong to us! On May 27 2012 12:17 grush57 wrote: The scum are helping each other out already? On May 27 2012 12:25 grush57 wrote: Having free lynch day1 pretty good, but the scum would probably prefer Vice for protection in case a scum is going to get lynched. | ||
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So, at the time that you wrote it... why on earth were you campaigning to be vice-mayor? On May 27 2012 13:52 Blazinghand wrote: Why not run for mayor? If you really want to try out a blue role, and you really found it fun, and you take things seriously and are easy to subject to analysis, you should WANT the double vote. In fact, you're willing to let ET, who you admit you like ET but don't know why... and also are hedging on whether or not he's easy to read... but the main thing for mayors is you need to analyze their posts in a serious way? See, you know your own alignment quite well-- you SHOULD know you're town, assuming you are indeed town. If that's the case, why are you trying to get a power that's almost useless for town but super useful for scum? Why not run for mayor? All your reasoning points towards you running for mayor, but you run for vice-mayor and waffle on ET. What's the deal? These questions still need to be addressed. What's your deal, S&B? Why did you take those actions? | ||
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So your initial reasoning for why you wanted the role, as you wrote it, was: On May 27 2012 13:46 strongandbig wrote: So, why am I running for vice leader/pardoner? Well, last game I played was my first time being a blue role, and it was really fun; I want to try something new this game as well. But now it's On May 27 2012 15:32 strongandbig wrote: And the question "why are you trying to get a power that's almost useless for town but super useful for scum" has a retardedly obvious answer, doesn't it? So scum can't have that power? Were you lying then or are you lying now? | ||
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On May 27 2012 16:36 EchelonTee wrote: Come on BH, he's a newbie. You're acting like a TLMafia brat, threatening to call in the host, which is also unproductive to the discussion. You post gifs and pix of you eating hats all the time, so his reference to your trolling isn't wholly inaccurate lol. Continuing, do you think grush's posting thus far is scummy? If yes, then how so? And his reference to me being a retard? | ||
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I'm sorry, was his calling my posting retarded producting to the discussion? Oh was my posting this game tons of gifs and hats? Gee whiz I'm sorry I'll tone that down going forward, how does that sound? | ||
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This is every game I've played on TL Mafia. Take a look at them, and ask yourself, "is this a guy whose posts are 50% retarded and trolling? Or is this actually false, and ET is talking out of his ass?" My Filters: Student Mafia: Definitely no trolling, aggressively pushed scum and contributed to lynches and town victory as Doctor: (my filter) Resistance I Mafia: Some spamming, but no trolling, tried up until the very last second to avert the town loss as a VT: (my filter) Purgatory Mafia: Definitely no trolling, aggressively pushed scum and contributed to lynches and town victory as VT: (my filter) Sleeper Cell II: Definitely no trolling, aggressively pushed scum and contributed to lynches and endgame reasoning: (my filter) Resistance II Mafia: Although I made some mistakes, I put a great deal of effort in and was by no means retarded: (my filter) Werewolves Mafia: No trolling, etc (my filter) Sum of All fears Mafia: Did I post images and hat-eating gifs? Yes. But I was the only guy in the game defending a townie vet from a D1 mislynch. (my filter) Aperture Mafia: Gifs and images, but no trolling and definitely no retardation: (my filter) Storm Mafia: I end up getting mislynched this game day1, but aside from getting warned for telling syllogism to "eat a dick", there was no trolling or retardation (my filter) TL Mafia LI: No trolling, some excellent use of images: (my filter) I'm a Cop you Idiot Mafia: In this game, I troll and spam, but it is because at this point I am confirmed scum and Palmar explicitly allows spam. There was no trolling or retardation in it. (my filter) TL Mafia LIII: In this game I am modkilled for obscenity. You'll notice the overuse of gifs and bad behavior. However, this is the only game of mine that is even remotely this bad, and hey, I got modkilled, and in the following games, I've been playing great! (filter) TL MAfia LIV: In this game, after LIII in which I was modkilled, I play well and without trolling or retardation (my filter) SO HEY, to ET, if you really think I'm a torll and I typically post gifs, GO DO THE RESEARCH. I don't. I'm a great player, and In one game, once, I was modkilled for overuse of gifs and obscenity, and SINCE THEN I've played great. I am not a troll or a retard. And if you really think that this isn't the case, then you are intentionally being obtuse. | ||
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On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote: You're getting over emotional dude, and it's making you look bad. 1. If you're offended, you deserve to be, I agree, but it's starting to look like you're going to build a gigantic, overblown case on him because you got offended. SnB is easy as shit to root out as scum, so I'm not too concerned with him. I'm more so concerned with you, and building a case off of emotion isn't the best plan. I'm not here to lynch SnB. I'm here to lynch Grush because he's worthless. Am I not allowed to put some pressure on SnB? Don't you find his reasoning for his choice to run for a power that's only useful to scum kinda weird? On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote: 2. No, you didn't post tons of gifs and hats this game. But hey, grush hasn't been a complete anti-town loser this game either. But you want to lynch grush for stuff that he's done in a previous game. Do you see the logical disconnect here? 100% of my interaction with grush is that previous game, he was given plenty of chances to do well and he has not. I had one game in which I was modkilled unjustly for the use of profanity and gifs, and all my other games are pristine, and the list is long-- look it up yourself and apply your logic to evidence before talking about lgoical disconnects On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote: 3. That was a pretty rapid triple post. You're not a scrub so I'm not going to assume that you were actually flustered by my light questioning, but you seem more concerned with proving yourself right and bashing people that you dislike, then actually scum hunting. If you think me triple posting is unusual clearly you're so unfamiliar with my meta that you should just stop talking. | ||
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On May 27 2012 17:11 EchelonTee wrote: No BH, I have respect for your play. I thought I made that clear in SoaF when I thought you were a longtime Vet, even though you haven't been playing for that long. I don't even know why the hell I'm defending SnB this much; then again, I don't know why you are so touchy about this. You have to remember that that modkill happened very recently, so it is fresher in people's mind, especially a newbie. If you're town, you're going to be a strong asset, so I'm merely trying to diffuse a situation where it looks like you're getting worked up like shit. What, by saying the guy is right to call me retarded/trolling? I've presented evidence that I am indeed not a retarded/trolling player. Whether or not SnB thinks I'm retarded/trolling is completely irrelevant. I just get annoyed by people saying it to my face. What's relevant is this, and the fact that you don't find it relevant is weird: On May 27 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote: So your initial reasoning for why you wanted the role, as you wrote it, was: But now it's Were you lying then or are you lying now? SnB won't dodge my question by calling me retarded. I await his answer. | ||
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On May 27 2012 17:16 EchelonTee wrote: 1. Yes. 3. This is what I'm talking about excessive negativity. You say "you don't know wtf you're talking about, so stfu". I am not a bad player. You know this. So don't tell me to stop talking, it's completely unnecessary. If you say this to someone with a weaker backbone, they will just end up resenting you. I don't care whether or not you resent me. I presented a list of filters of every game in which I have played on TL Mafia. These filters show a number of things including that A) I am not a trolling/retarded player and B) I post a lot and have been known to triple and quadruple post a great deal. I find the fact that you find my triple posting odd to be odd. I don't think you're scum, I think for whatever reason you're just trying to pick a fight. I can't really imagine why but there you have it. | ||
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On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote: 1. If you're offended, you deserve to be, I agree On May 27 2012 16:36 EchelonTee wrote: Come on BH, he's a newbie. You're acting like a TLMafia brat, threatening to call in the host, which is also unproductive to the discussion. You post gifs and pix of you eating hats all the time, so his reference to your trolling isn't wholly inaccurate lol. Oh do I deserve to be offended or am I in fact a brat? please clear this up for me? Also I got a question, is you calling me a brat in fact in line with On May 27 2012 17:16 EchelonTee wrote: 3. This is what I'm talking about excessive negativity. ??? | ||
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On May 27 2012 17:24 EchelonTee wrote: 1. SnB says you post like a retard. 2. You get offended and post questioning on him in reference to earlier stuff. This is false. You're either wrong or lying. Check these timestamps: + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2012 14:55 Blazinghand wrote: Ok, so obviously, now, S&B, you're not running for vice mayor, since it's clear there's no way to run for that position. However, every one of my questions about your initial post still applies. At the time that you wrote it, your campaign for vice-mayor was based on a thought that there WAS a vice-mayoral election. So, at the time that you wrote it... why on earth were you campaigning to be vice-mayor? These questions still need to be addressed. What's your deal, S&B? Why did you take those actions? On May 27 2012 15:32 strongandbig wrote: I just said dood. I want to do something interesting and different but I'm not confident enough in my day 1 reads in general to lynch someone. herp derp -> vice leader. And the question "why are you trying to get a power that's almost useless for town but super useful for scum" has a retardedly obvious answer, doesn't it? So scum can't have that power? Finally, it's not that I don't know why I like ET more than the other three of you. It's that I didn't want to come right out and say "half of everything bh or ve post is retarded or trolling" because you're both pretty good players and have a lot more experience than me; but I honestly think it's better to have a mayor who takes all their posts seriously so we can analyze them, rather than someone who posts like a retard or trolls half the time. It's glaringly obvious that I did not react to SnB's retardation accusation with pressure, but rather, I BEGAN by pressuring him, THEN he made the retard comment, THEN I continued pressuring him. Did you read the posts or are you just fishing for reasons to attack me? On May 27 2012 17:24 EchelonTee wrote: 3. I agree with your questioning on him, but I don't like how you wanted to call in the host for a retard comment. 4. You ignore what I said about the host thing, and instead focus on the retard part. You falsely think that I consider you to be a retard. 5. I say you are getting worked up, because you focus on the part of my post that you want to focus on. You then post a list of your games to prove that you are not a retard, when I already know you are not a retard. 6. I said that you deserve to be offended by being called a retard. You don't understand my posts, or maybe I was unclear, but you seem to think that I think you're bad. 7. You should care whether or not I, and other players resent you, because the excessive negativity is a reason for TL towns losing lately. I made a post about it on the other page. See what I don't get here is how you think I'm causing people to resent me while you're calling me a "brat" | ||
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This is a good point. Can the Vice Mayor Pardon himself from the D1 lynch? | ||
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On May 27 2012 17:28 EchelonTee wrote: 8. The "brat" thing specifically refers for the tendency for players to say things like "if you keep on doing X, I'm calling the host", or "you are playing against wincon, I'm telling the host". 9. This could be construed as a negative insult towards you, but my point in that entire post was to say "make your case built on regular shit, not you being offended+a host insult". I still don't get how you got so swiftly mad at me. Playing scum is so much easier  I'm not complaining to the host. I'm just saying, if he continues to insinuate that I am retarded, I will do so. If you disagree with my position, that is completely fine. If you call me a brat and also think that my language is demeaning and I'm the one causing resentment then I disagree in the strongest possible terms. The rules on the OP clearly state that I am allowed to contact the host: If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Flamewheel, or Mig before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally. However, I'd much prefer if SnB just stopped without me doing this, so I asked him to do so and notified him that I will gladly contact a host if he does not. I am done speaking with you on this issue. | ||
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On May 27 2012 17:33 Sinensis wrote: Well it sounds like you're getting emotional so I don't know if I can trust anything you've said. You'll probably be okay with this because it's how you're playing. Honestly it's probably better just to ignore ET on this issue. I don't think communicating with him about it will lead to anything and it will likely just clog up the thread, which isn't good for town. | ||
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On May 27 2012 17:44 Forumite wrote: BH, could you please chill, just a bit? Right after ET posts about creating a good town atmosphere, you start spamming. You have some good points, but you are not getting them across if you repeatedly post them in an angry manner, and another page without information will not help us get the lurkers into the game. What are your thoughts on a D1 Vice-Mayor lynch? Assuming, of course, he can't pardon himself D1. I think removing the Pardoner from the game asap would be good. | ||
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On May 10 2012 01:40 GreYMisT wrote: Elections! This game will have a day 1 election for the office of Leader (Mayor) and Vice-Leader (Pardoner) Leader: Decides the Day 1 lynch and his vote counts for 2 votes. Vice-Leader: Once per game, can nullify a day’s vote, resulting in a no-lynch. All he nullifies is a day's vote, but obviously this doesn't apply to the Day 1 votes since that vote elected him. The Mayor "decides" the Day 1 lynch, but there is no voting to cause it, so there's no way the Vice-Mayor could nullify the D1 lynch, since it's not vote-based. Therefore the Vice-Mayor can be lynched D1. That's just my reading of it though, so we'll have to wait on the host. | ||
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On May 27 2012 18:21 supersoft wrote: bh looks superbad on my paper right now. only blabla, excuses and a bad day1 plan. we wont lynch this grush guy for nothing. even worthless players can be easy to read. And thus they are worthy lol. Check his LIV filter and tell me how legible you find him. On May 27 2012 18:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, it's 3 a.m. here, so I'm going to bed now. However, Blazinghand, do you actually think it's the best day 1 play to just lynch someone you think is bad rather than someone you think is scum? Maybe if you had no scum reads by the end of Day 1, but you make it sound like you'll go through with it regardless... Honestly, if I were elected right now, I'd lynch Grush57, and I'd cackle maniacally while doing so. There's always the possibility he'll do something to convince me he's town between now and election time, but he probably won't so I'll lynch him. If I get elected and I think Grush57 is town AND he won't utterly destroy all the following day's discussions with his play, I'll lynch whoever I think is scum. If he's scummy in my opinion, I'll lynch the vice-mayor (if he can't pardon himself) because the pardoner ability can't really help town. In fact, as a caveat to anyone who wants to elect me: I'll throw any campaign promise out the door the instant I think I can do something that is more helpful to town. I currently want to lynch Grush57, but if an opportunity presents itself that I think will help town more, I will take that opportunity. On May 27 2012 18:28 Zealos wrote: @Blazinghand: Do you think you've been helpful so far this game? I put some pressure on SnB, but other than that I basically let ET provoke me into taking a dump on the thread, which was a mistake. I think my discussions of possibly lynching the pardonery has been helpful. I have no doubt I will be helpful going forwards. Do you think you've been helpful so far this game? | ||
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On May 27 2012 18:11 Forumite wrote: I read "nullify a lynch, resulting in an no-lynch" as working for the D1-lynch too. That was in the day post, right? The rules post says On May 10 2012 01:40 GreYMisT wrote: Vice-Leader: Once per game, can nullify a day’s vote, resulting in a no-lynch. Which wouldn't work for the D1-lynch since it's not vote-based. | ||
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It's very odd to claim VT, given that if mafia is shooting for blues, they know they don't need to shoot you. I can't imagine a town motivation for claiming VT for no reason like that. | ||
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On May 27 2012 18:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The Vice-leader CAN pardon the D1 lynch, so never mind. Here's my new platform: As Mayor, I will lynch Grush57 unless there is an unprecedented, marked improvement in his play. I will not lynch the vice-mayor. A vote for me is a vote to bury Grush57! This is a policy lynch. Furthermore, I typically have an aggressive playstyle that involves using my vote, and with 2 votes I will be twice as effective! <3 I'm still waiting for a response from SnB. Hyaach, someone will get made into mayor whether you vote or not so you should vote and try to get a townie into the spot. All you people who haven't made a single post make me very sad. Especially meeple. | ||
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On May 28 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Honestly I skimmed it, god damnit. Okay I'll fully read it before I post anything else. TBH I just got done watching Capt. America in prep for going to see Avengers tonight and most of my opinion is from when I read the thread earlier today. I'm gonna go ahead and reread now before this blows out of proportion. If you just watched Capt. America you should check out my sweet blog on the topic: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=335758 | ||
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However, Grush, I fully anticipate a continued effort from you this game. Keep up the good work <3 ##vote: Mr. Wiggles Now Wiggle-dawg I've got a suggestion for your consideration, and that is that we lynch SnB. "but wait blazinghand is this about the retard thing?" That's a fair question, imaginery-question-asker. Let me break it down for you in flow-chart format. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qUJ1wl.png) You see, aside from specific responses to questions about his pardoner campaign, this represents the entirety of the SnB contribution to the town: On May 28 2012 09:07 strongandbig wrote: 2. Sinensis are you still running for mayor? Do you still want to policy lynch grush? I'm pretty sure BH still does but idk about you. 3. MrWiggles, you've said a lot about pardoner but this is an election for mayor. Also, how do we know if you're town? Obviously the "I'm town" paradigm posted by the subject of suspicion should always be treated with several grains of salt, but it can still be useful to townies making up their minds so I'd like it if you could post one. I think these are sort of low-risk low-reward questions. Sinensis never said anything to put doubt into SnB's mind about either of his questions, and honestly Wiggle-dawg's posting has been exemplary. A question like "how do we know if you're town" is utterly worthless. Like... there's nothing to be said about that except to look at actions and see if they jive. I'm not really sure what SnB thinks he's doing with these comments. And given that these are the only comments he makes following being pressured about his pardoner campaign (other than defending his pardoner campaign), coupled with the nature of his pardoner campaign itself, I think he is a lynch worth of your consideration today Wiggle-dawg. | ||
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On May 28 2012 12:47 Pandain wrote: I will carry on in your stead, my brother. | ||
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I can't possibly imagine any town motivation for pushing Hyaach for mayor. RnGing a mayor candidate, or, as Kita seems to have done, voted Hyaach... to presure him? ;_; Also apparently Kita is down with being mayor but hasn't voted himself or presented a candidacy. Now, I've seen some weird, weird play out of Kita in my day. But this really takes the cake. He's mostly afraid of the lyncher, and quite notably NEVER mentions wiggles anywhere in his filter, except to answer a direct question, and once in passing about the Pardoner. Why doesn't he want to interact with one of the main mayoral candidates? Why, Kita? Help a brother out and explain. | ||
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On May 28 2012 14:32 Sinensis wrote: Just like last game, the only people sticking up for grush are other people. He just can't give it the time of day. The people who are after me, what are your agendas? VE I'm curious how many people would vote me right now if it were a regular day. Grush has been defending himself by making attempts to contribute to the thread. Take a look at his filter. However, I can empathize with Sinensis. I think anyone who played that game with Grush can. In a way, I feel like this excuses his actions. I still kinda want Grush dead tbh, even with all this. Sin needs to look past the Grush past and see the Grush present. If he can't, he's not contributing and should die. | ||
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On May 28 2012 16:25 kitaman27 wrote: lol Hyaach was mentioned in passing hours into the game. Is that really what you guys are going to jump on? :p He really does need to post though -_- "mentioned in passing"? you voted him >.> That's like saying that I met a girl when in fact we've been married for 5 years | ||
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On May 28 2012 16:35 kitaman27 wrote: Naw, I didn't actually vote for him. (Not that it matters). Pretty sure I've random voted in about 80% of my games and changed once there is content in the thread. Is this suddenly scummy? On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote: I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this. ???? | ||
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Oh I didn't uh... ok so I didn't know there was one of those. Withdrawn. | ||
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I don't think lynching Kita or Sin would be the optimal play, but I understand why both of them are mentioned in your post. Since I agree with you on Kita and SnB I'll talk for a bit about Sin. I guess the big thing is that I empathize with the "let's lynch Grush" position. However, you make a good point that Sin is setting himself up to be unaccountable for his actions. It's become more clear that Grush is playing better than he has before, and if I was convinced, certainly Sin could be. I think that there's a definite scum motivation to do what he's done today. I also think that there's a possible explanation for his actions from a town perspective: he's understandably pissed about Grush's performance in the previous game, and is blinded to Grush's improvement this game by his anger. This contrasts with SnB's play, for which I cannot think of a town explanation. Sin could scum trying to secure an easy mislynch and abdicate responsibility, OR he could be an angry townie. SnB, though, I can't see a motivation for his play except that he's scum. For this reason, I consider SnB a superior lynch target. Whether you choose Sin or SnB you retain my vote. | ||
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On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote: BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum. 1) Why you claim VT 2) Who is BE | ||
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On May 29 2012 08:55 Forumite wrote: I don´t know if I like the sound of that. Given that only 23 of 30 players voted, we really need replacements and not modkills. 7 modkills has the potential of ruining the game, whether it's all town, lots of scum, or a mix, or blues/no blues / whatever-- this many people getting killed distorts things, so I hope they can find replacements ;_; | ||
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On May 29 2012 16:50 sToFu wrote: The reason I felt it suspicious was two-fold: first of all, it felt as if he were overreacting greatly to fairly minor accusations, something in my (outside) experience more often than not attributed to members of the mafia. I feel as if he jumped on SnB to prove a point - that he is capable of rooting out scum - but in the process became engrossed I don't know why everybody gets the order of events wrong but this isn't what happened: 1) I flipped out 2) I pushed SnB to "show that i'm town" after flipping out No, if you think this is what happened you weren't paying attention. This is what happened: 1) I pressured SnB, asking some fairly obvious questions 2) I flipped out 3) After I chillaxed, I continued with part 1 Also, if someone were calling you retarded and trolling, wouldn't you be mad? He didn't even call me scum-- he didn't pressure me at all. He wasn't even HELPING ANYONE, he was just calling me a retard. This wasn't a reaction to pressure, this was a reaction to a guy being an ass. | ||
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On May 29 2012 20:05 Zealos wrote: I explained that I didn't have the time to post yesterday, so vigging me will be killing a townie. Any reason you're so keen to do that? Good point! It's actually literally impossible for a mafia player to do that, and by saying "I was busy for 48 hours" you're doing something that only a town player could do! That really DOES excuse your D1 play :D Furthermore, your VT claim TOTALLY makes sense, was 100% useful to town, and definitely won't help scum target the blues.  As a final note, when people make weird claims like that, post nothing for 48 hours, then make non-reasons to defend themselves not posting any reads or pressure D1, that's unbelievably helpful, and really is how all TL townies should play. You are not suspicious at all.  | ||
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On May 29 2012 20:14 Forumite wrote: Toades, I´m not sure if this is a dumb post or a very, very smart one. Medics, protect Wiggles if you feel like it. I don´t really blame Wiggles for lynching sinensis, Kita would have been a good candidate, but otherwise there wasn´t much alternative. A Zealos lynch might have been better but it never got much support, I guess it was too late in the day. There was very little discussion about other lynches, most people seemed fine with sinensis. Well, it's only smart if we all act like it's dumb but we don't know it's dumb. | ||
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On May 29 2012 20:32 Zealos wrote: Maybe I should just stick to making a load of sarcastic, augmentative, or just pointless posts to fill up my filter  Honestly, as long as you start posting anything at all I'd be down. | ||
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On May 29 2012 23:31 strongandbig wrote: Look, BH - I understand that you were offended, and I shouldn't have said what I said. I apologized to you twice, and tried to explain what I meant/should have said. Can we move on now? Posts like the one I quoted and the one before it in your filter aren't helping the town atmosphere. Let's also clear something up so we can move on. Are you satisfied with how I responded to your pressure on my aborted pardoner campaign or do you still want me to explain myself? @stofu: Your long reads post reminds me a lot of what I would have posted in my first scum games. I ended up subconsciously being very noncommittal that game, even though I didn't mean to. So how about you commit to something - who is your number 1 scum read? If you were a compulsive vigilante (had to shoot someone tonight) who would you shoot? (those don't have to be the same person.) ??? My post wasn't directed at you. You've quoted a post of me talking to zealos. The fact that I think zealos' D1 play has been sub-par has nothing to do with you. It's not all about you bro doosk. | ||
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On May 30 2012 04:42 Toadesstern wrote: no need. I already managed to make sure everyone knows I'm the most important guy in this game and more so, I am mod confirmed town! Just do as I say :3 Don't listen to toad's lies! It's the middle of N1, he isn't mod confirmed town, you can tell because he was totes serious in the quoted post. Check out this informational chart: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VNc7P.png) | ||
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On May 30 2012 04:47 Toadesstern wrote: make it "how confirmed town-toad says he is" and not "how confirmed town toad says he is". Otherwise people might get you wrong actually shouldn't it be "how toad says he is confirmed town"? | ||
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On May 30 2012 04:57 Forumite wrote: I approve. You get 3 bonus points, BH. My graphs might have some usefulness, or even magic powers, but mostly they're just cool + sexy ^^ | ||
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On May 30 2012 08:13 supersoft wrote: i really hope you guys realize that my nightplay has different goals than my dayplay. -_- my goal is help town whats your goal | ||
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"guys I didn't get a PM" or are you like backtracking the fact that you masoned me? wtf toad im so confused ;_; | ||
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On May 30 2012 08:21 Toadesstern wrote: na I only wanted to make this clear because when you claimed you had no PM I thought you were my mason partner and the PM was only late. And I don't want to have people yelling "but toad claimed to have masoned BH and now MZ claims the mason thingy!" See I'm feeling kinda suspicious here and I don't really know what's going on. Cause a good 13 minutes before the deadline, you WERE in the thread.... On May 30 2012 07:47 Toadesstern wrote: I can still change my target! So you made your change then, but it didn't count? | ||
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On May 30 2012 08:25 Toadesstern wrote: I really don't know what I am allowed to post from the pm I got I suppose this will all get cleared up when MZ shows up in the thread. It doesn't matter for now. | ||
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This is not the filter of a scum target. I wouldn't lynch SnB based on this scumslip alone-- though it is scummy, particularly with his phrasing: On May 30 2012 09:00 strongandbig wrote: Could Mattchew have been a vig shot? MZ and Foru make way more sense as scum kills but Mattchew doesn't make any sense there. This "could mattchew have been a vig shot?" is how a town player would think of it. This makes sense from a town perspective more than from a scum perspective. | ||
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On May 30 2012 09:32 Toadesstern wrote: well but would a townie really conider a vig when we're missing KP and assume there was a doublestack? Not saying we should lynch him on that one but it is indead a point to consider. that's a fair point. the most intuitive answer should be "nks are caused by mafia unless there are more than usual" | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:16 jaj22 wrote: Well, ideally Gambit would realise that the pressure on him is serious, and post enough as a result that we can tell whether he's scum or town. I'm never sure what the right amount of pressure is though. I tried the half-assed method and that got one post out of him. To complete the nightkill list, MZ's public scumreads were Kitaman and Mattchew. I thing the right amount of pressure is to just lynch him ^^ | ||
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In the past 48 hours you have made 3 posts. They are: On May 29 2012 02:45 grush57 wrote: Yeah, when ET posted it was early game where you could basically only post fluff, but he hasn't posted anything worthwhile now about reads, probably going to switch to Wiggles unless ET starts posting again. On May 30 2012 00:20 grush57 wrote: Hey wbg, marvellosity, and Ange777. I never wanted Sinesis lynched. I truly felt how much he hurt, as I was the poster. We should of waited longer to see if he was still just going to lynch me or if he was going to help. It is improbable that Mr. Wiggles is mafia(As several people wanted Sinesis to die), but that would be the person to lynch as like Toad stated no information as he just wanted me to die. I think Zealos should die. He is being an inactive LIV me. ._.;; | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:35 grush57 wrote: Atleast I'm not putting up some half-assed excuse to save Gambit while bussing him like Manason,S&B and austin. That's true. That's very true. You are not the scummiest player in this game. +1 gold star. | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:38 Kenpachi wrote: do you realize what bussing implies? Manason, S&B and austin are all mafia. Grush thinks he's caught the whole scumteam. | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:40 austinmcc wrote: No, Kenpachi, he doesn't. For instance, here's where Manason busses G32 (can we call him this? Much more fun). It's funny because he calls us hasty then votes kita with no explanation. | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:40 grush57 wrote: Yep, my mystical powers are back. THE ONLY REASON you caught the whole scumteam in LIV is because at LYLO you were the only player in the entire game who wasn't like "lawl grush is scum"-- that extra crucial piece of info let you see the truth. It's not "mystical powers" it's "playing scummy as a town player" | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:42 grush57 wrote: Yeah yeah its coming, whenever I come back in its always a shitfest. It's always a shitfest, you just only notice when you're around <3 | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:43 Kenpachi wrote: ##vote papapanda intuition tells me hes mafia Please stop overwhelming me with this wall-of-text case. It's convincing me too hard! your play is too helpful! ow, ow, stop it | ||
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However, his LIV play has planted a seed of doubt in me. "What if Grush is actually this horrible? WHAT IF" and then I see him occasionally post (bad) cases and stuff, which is much better than his LIV play and I just become more confused. Maybe he's being coached by his QT, and him acting more townie is an indication of his scum meta? but then his cases are so BAD that maybe he actually thought of them himself. | ||
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On May 30 2012 11:32 Mattchew wrote: Care to elaborate more so I can be lazy and echo your thoughts if I agree G32 is gonna be lynched, see? When he flips "scum" people who pushed him early will look towner. What SnB is thinking is "I'm gonna pressure him early, then if it looks like a wagon gets rolling, I'll hop on and reference my early pressure"-- a soft bus. This makes me think that it's possible SnB may be scum. Also worth noting is his weird pardoner campaign and low contributions D1. A number of small factors, really. | ||
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On May 30 2012 14:23 sToFu wrote: 2. Why are we lynching gambit when the lynch provides little to no information. The same logic that applies to gambit largely applies to the other lurkers of this game - including me. Why gambit in particular, and what's the point of lynching a lurker when we are not only unsure if he's just inactive/bad or scum? Bugs seems to be avoiding the question. G32is scummy. He's lurking. He's actively voting so he doesn't get modkilled. His posts are wishy-washy and scummy, all 2 of them. I'm certain he is scum. I don't care about information or whatever, I want to lynch scum. If he is indeed scum, we'll still have a wagon and counter-wagon analysis to do after he flips, since right now, scum know whether or not he's scum. Lurking does NOT absolve you of guilt. It never will in my eyes, and I would gladly lynch a thousand G32s and Purgatory Erandorrs and Student BBytes until they all fall to the ground like a thousand burned snowflakes On May 30 2012 14:23 sToFu wrote: 3. Where's Wiggles? Did he post saying he would be gone? I don't recall seeing a post of his for a very long time. I think Wiggles is German so he's probably asleep. | ||
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On May 30 2012 14:26 sToFu wrote: I would tend to side w/ SnB on the issue of Mattchew. His "let me lie to town and spring a trap" strategy seems inherently flawed, and I do think that SnB's reasoning was solid in that Mattchew would be more likely to be a vig hit than a mafia hit, especially given some of the accusations pressed against him D1. they could both be scum | ||
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On May 31 2012 03:23 austinmcc wrote: We have never received a guarantee that masons are all town, the end (yes? Someone correct me quick if I'm horribly wrong). What we HAVE been told is that "variations" are possible, and a scum or third-party mason certainly sounds to me like a variation on mason. On May 10 2012 01:40 GreYMisT wrote: Mason May communicate with another player in the game via PM ^-- green I'm pretty sure that a variation to be scum would mean in the list of scum roles there would be a red one. | ||
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On May 31 2012 04:27 strongandbig wrote: BH, I've already said a bunch of times I think toad is lying. People keep calling me scummy for saying that. But, IF there are *two different masons* with different powers, as Toad claims there are, I see no reason why they would both have to be town. role list role list role list | ||
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On May 30 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote: ¿Kita what do you think of Zealos sir? How is it distinct from a post like this? On May 30 2012 04:23 VisceraEyes wrote: BH what are your thoughts on the super thing? Or this? On May 30 2012 03:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Is that because he drew no conclusion Mz? I didn't mind the post aside from the fact that he doesn't say whether or not he thinks you're scum. | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:59 MajuGarzett wrote: Can someon explain how this was supposed to be a breadcrumb? It's not, VE is scum. | ||
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On May 31 2012 15:21 VisceraEyes wrote: No need to be snide BH, I already know I'm lynched. I just want town to win after I am. I'm not being snide. There's like 12 hours left in the day right? easily plenty of time to convince people. I'm open minded <3 | ||
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On May 31 2012 15:18 VisceraEyes wrote: And there you have it - the resident lurker places his vote, surely to vanish into the night. My fate is sealed. With a kiss. A case is coming, it's dominant. Probulous I asked you to check out Storm earlier, if you've done that the case will be much easier to read...I'll reference it a lot. In short, Kita's town play is easily identifiable, as I'll show, and his play this game is not his town play, as I'll also show. On May 31 2012 15:41 VisceraEyes wrote: K MZ, thx for the input. I'm paranoid about stupid cryptogram breadcrumbs, so I was a little more ambiguous. Anyway, I'm not arguing about the breadcrumb. You guys find it inadequate, that's fine...I generally don't even bother. I'll be making my case against Kita, so while you're busy trying (and succeeding) to get me lynched MZ, I'll be trying to find scum. So good luck with your little crusade there buddy. Where's the case | ||
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On May 31 2012 19:49 EchelonTee wrote: Scum team selects him to put that shot forth. Yeah honestly if Wiggles flips town VE shooting him proves nothing. We need VE to shoot someone and have that person flip scum to confirm his role. | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:56 GambitX32 wrote: Sorry, guys. I've been traveling for work the past couple days across the nation. I didn't expect not having internet at the hotel yesterday and I just got checked in to the next hotel. I realize I don't have time to catch up on 40+ pages before the vote so I have to place a vote on who I remember as having the worst/most suspicious posts from the other day -- Zealos. I see a lot of people are voting for VE and the last time I was current on the thread he didn't seem scummy. I understand if you are angry at me, and no apology makes up for my absence; but I will catch up asap since I'll be at this location for the next two weeks and have the weekend off this week. NO. NO YOU DIE. YOU DIE NOW. Everyone vot ehim. do it now. do it. hurry | ||
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On June 01 2012 09:01 EchelonTee wrote: I would say yall are idiots, BH tried to avert no lynch, but it's true BH. You said "I think VE is scum- Vote". Why did you just want to change it last minute? You didn't even say "Dude VE isn't scum, lets kill G32". It was just "let's kill G32 even though it will be impossible". ?? I also thought hed be modkilled tbh. Dude just look at g32 hes scummy | ||
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[QUOTE]On June 01 2012 08:58 Blazinghand wrote: Look at me? Lol you should be thanking me for trying to avert a mislynch. G32 should be #1 scum on everyone's list.[/QUOTE] Trying to avert a mislynch would have been you in the thread for hours before the lynch talking to people about not mislynching VE. Instead you just tried to last minute unvote[/QUOTEe I didnt know VE is town but when it was 100% clear g32 was scum i fwlt the nees to vote him. | ||
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On June 01 2012 09:16 marvellosity wrote: EBWOP: in other words, the reason that NO SCUM WOULD EVER DO THIS can actually be a reason for scum to do this. ._. | ||
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On June 02 2012 00:18 Manason wrote: As it's already been explain to you Hyaach it's not so simple just getting VE to shoot someone, besides if we didn't lynch VE then D3 would be completely wasted talking about him. Um, yeah but that only applies if you think he might be scum. You're saying you honestly thought he was a vig WITH a bullet and you wanted to lynch him?? | ||
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On June 02 2012 02:07 Manason wrote: I wasn't 100% sure he was a townie, however I didn't think he was scum. I never wanted to lynch him, I'm also curious to hear BH, what are your reasons for voting him? I thought he was scummy. Believe it or not, some players vote to lynch scum, not town. At the time he was lynched, I still thought he was scummy, but G32 was clearly scummier and had claimed scum to the thread, so I voted G32. | ||
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On June 02 2012 02:07 Manason wrote: I wasn't 100% sure he was a townie, however I didn't think he was scum. I never wanted to lynch him, I'm also curious to hear BH, what are your reasons for voting him? Wait why am I even answering your question? You THOUGHT HE WAS TOWN. and you LYNCHED him? But you never WANTED to lynch him wat | ||
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On June 02 2012 04:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I haven't been lurking, I just haven't been around and have been busy the last couple days. I can't post when I'm not home, or doing something else. You know as well as I do the problem with this kind of explanation. Obviously, it's possible you have been busy. Maybe you were. But if you are a lurking scum there's nothing preventing you from making the explanation, right? And wasn't a plank of your candidacy for mayor the fact that you'd be active? I think it's a fair statement that you're lurking more than would be expected. On June 02 2012 04:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote: You didn't answer my question. You nearly ended up causing a no-lynch, so I'm wondering what was going through your head at the time. There's no way you'd actually get enough people to switch within 5 minutes to be able to kill Gambit, but you still posted this, egging people on to switch with you: So I'm wondering what exactly were you trying to do? Just make a statement? What? Obviously he wasn't going to die, so what else were you trying to accomplish? The only thing it could have ended with is a no-lynch, was that what you were shooting for? On principle I will not stand for G32's kind of play. He is scum and he will die like scum. And honestly, if I ended up causing a no-lynch, then we'd still have our vigilante who handn't shot his gun yet. Yeah ok maybe it wasn't optimal play given what I knew at the time, but I did the right thing. I should have never unvoted G32, and I never will again so long as he's alive. | ||
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On June 17 2012 10:13 jaj22 wrote: BH wasn't roleblocked. He deliberately left the bombs there. Apparently he didn't think he'd get shot, and that if Gambit wasn't lynched next day it'd be because he had a proven blue claim. Actually, it's even WORSE than that. I didn't even have a bomb on you N1, and after D2, I MOVED it onto you. My only explanation is that I'm "good" at mafia. | ||
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