EPTZealos is not getting votes. Day ends in like 4 hours?
I guess VE is the best choice if we have tons of nonvoters. policy lynch VE whenever he claims blue for no reason I guess lol
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wherebugsgo
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Zealos is not getting votes. Day ends in like 4 hours? I guess VE is the best choice if we have tons of nonvoters. policy lynch VE whenever he claims blue for no reason I guess lol ##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes | ||
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Hassybaby
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But Toad seems to have renamed himself to Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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VisceraEyes
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MZ is attempting to lead town through force. He knows his case has no merit, but because top-tier payers have him as a town read, he's riding the wave of town sentiment to achieve his objectives. | ||
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marvellosity
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On June 01 2012 03:44 wherebugsgo wrote: Mattchew is annoying as usual. Zealos is not getting votes. Day ends in like 4 hours? I guess VE is the best choice if we have tons of nonvoters. policy lynch VE whenever he claims blue for no reason I guess lol ##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes yeah except he just did it and he was town... >.< | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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Your kita case is terrible. If you recall, I tried to make a case on him and realized there wasn't anything there. Now this one may be a bit rougher for you to remember but you actually did the same thing as me and came to the same conclusion. Nothing of course has changed since we both failed at making a case except for the fact that now you're under the gun and desperately need a suitable alternative to yourself. The case is pretty much the most forced thing I've ever read, it's understandable though since you yourself had earlier realized that there was no case to be made. | ||
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It's Kitaman. | ||
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marvellosity
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On June 01 2012 04:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh I just realized that literally nobody actually bothered to read my second part closely. I posted part 1 in a spoiler but accidentally posted part 2 again... and nobody has pointed that out lolol. Please read things closer. Firstly, why would I click on a spoiler to read something I already read. Secondly, how dare you tell people to read things closer, when I asked you a question - I even put your name in bold - and you've either not read it or are ignoring it? | ||
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The last example was meant to be a joke...the ol' triple. | ||
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On May 31 2012 23:11 marvellosity wrote: To Meapak: regarding the VE and Toad issue. In my head it doesn't add up. What does scum VE gain by casting suspicions and theorising about toad even AFTER he has you pretty much confirming him today? As far as I can see there is no productive outcome from him doing so, people clearly aren't going to be getting suspicious of Toad at this point. In fact the only result of him continuing on about it is that people look at him weirdly and you get to write a story about it. I get that he's been front back, left right, up down with regards to Toad. What I don't get is why he'd do so as scum, why he almost voluntarily posts a target on his back by posting about it. The less power confirmed townies have the better. It's called micro-inequities, you say subtle things that take away from another persons credibility. What a nightmare for scum if toad had suddenly been really active and calling people out, better call into question his judgement or the circumstances surrounding him so people don't listen to him That's the purpose going after him even after he's been confirmed serves. It obviously has to be subtle but it's supposed to have the effect of getting people to ignore what toad says. It doesn't really matter because toad isn't posting a lot but at the start of the day VE got in a couple good shots. And no, I read this question, however I had forgotten it once I finished reading the thread. My apologies. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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And yes, marvellosity: it's a policy lynch because VE needs to learn to stop retardedly claiming regardless of his alignment. It makes it nearly impossible to know what he is. | ||
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jaj22
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On May 31 2012 14:11 Probulous wrote: Do you think VE actually wanted to get Toad lynched. He is clearly focused on him but I fail to see the upside for mafia. No-one is going to lynch Toad so why bangd on about it? To hide in plain sight? Ok, here's my theory. Toad had a small range of likely mason targets given his intention to mason someone he thought was town, the narrow activity band and the scum reads he'd provided. I think scum were hoping to hit Toad's mason target, and they had roughly a 50/50 shot. So a scumVE's agenda here would be: 1. Jam up the thread on day 1 by throwing shit at Toad. 2. Kill Toad's mason target. 3. Jam up the thread on day 2 by throwing shit at Toad. Note that VE didn't want Toad to call his target at the deadline. Might just be bad blue logic (Forumite had the same view), might be agenda. If VE thought Toad was third party, like he claimed, he should have been pushing for a target call. On May 31 2012 22:48 austinmcc wrote: As far as VE's vig claim goes, I'm not terribly inclined to believe it given his posts concerning zealos today and the breadcrumb. But it feels like between the possibility of jailers and roleblockers, a single roleblock claim (assuming we think VE is lying about the roleblock) is a little light? Maybe someone roleblocked a lurker thinking blue, and they haven't checked in to notice they were blocked or claimed, but that's my only real misgiving about a VE lynch at this point. It's common for scum to not use their roleblocker and claim it themselves if they don't have a good target. It's particularly useful if you're considering a fakeclaim. On the general issues surrounding VE: VE's blue claim is bad (surely an upside-down question mark is a DT breadcrumb...? No character name breadcrumb?), but it's not an alignment tell given that his blue claims are universally awful. VE's case on Kitaman is awful. The meta part is cherrypicked, and the lyncher part is a bloody great straw man borrowed from Probulous. The let-VE-shoot plan is probably bad. Vigs don't necessarily keep their shot on a roleblock, we may not have a watcher, the watcher may not be awake, and the watcher would have to claim to lynch VE. Even if VE is vig and shoots, scum might be fine with letting him shoot into town. MZ's case on VE is good. My only remaining doubt is WBG's point: VE can play very strangely as town. VE also deliberately changes his style from game to game, so I don't normally bother trying to meta-read him. Overall though, I think if VE was town, he'd be more productive than he's been this game, given that he's playing a style that looks helpful on the surface. There's just too high a proportion of spam, buddying and mud-flinging, and too little genuine pressure or analysis. ##Vote VisceraEyes | ||
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