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The idea of letting VE live, get a shot off while watching him DOES has some appeal for me. To seriously consider it, though, I want to lock down who the vig shot would be on, and make sure I understand how things would play out.
Your case on kita doesn't really convince me. Earlier you mentioned that you'd shoot wiggles tonight,would you be shooting wiggles over kita? Supersoft, you seem so convinced that VE could be directed to some definite scum, what's your target? In the case this idea prevails and we give VE the night, do we direct the shot as a group?
Furthermore, the idea is that we watch VE in order to deter a claim that he was roleblocked.- IF the target doesn't die, then we're reliant on the watcher claiming to tell us whether we had (1) VE was visited and might be roleblocked vigi or (2) nobody visited VE. Right? Now we've got a watcher outed, and we didn't get the extra shot off tonight, which is the whole purpose of this plan. There's also some chance that the watcher takes a bullet overnight and then we could end up with nothing.
- IF the target dies, then what? We directed that kill, it's not like VE's alignment matters because not shooting the target guarantees a lynch on him pretty much. Maybe he's vigi, maybe he carries out a scum NK on that person, hell, maybe he's SK.
- Third scenario, VE knows that he's never going to be 100% safe after today, and goes off the reservation, shooting whoever he'd like.
Is that actually the list of options? Maybe I'm missing some possibility, but I don't see any scenario in which the leave-VE-alive plan gets us anything more than the possibility of a town-directed NK, and the plan won't play out quite as simple as just "shoot 'n' watch."
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On June 01 2012 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
If MZ's close minded then what was your play in MTG, where you killed yourself just to get another townie killed?
And yes, marvellosity: it's a policy lynch because VE needs to learn to stop retardedly claiming regardless of his alignment. It makes it nearly impossible to know what he is.
I mean, I can only apologize so many times for my play in MTG Bugs. I've hoped my play in this game would redeem me, but clearly when all you see is how it's being maliciously misinterpreted and you automatically assume I'm incompetent as town, then you're going to immediately discount anything I say anyway.
Again, I'm sorry for my play in MTG Bugs. Srs. Outside whatever alignment I am or you are in this game, I'm sorry.
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On June 01 2012 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
And yes, marvellosity: it's a policy lynch because VE needs to learn to stop retardedly claiming regardless of his alignment. It makes it nearly impossible to know what he is.
If he's town he claimed because he's getting lynched and he'd rather town didn't lynch a vig. Should he not claim in that situation?
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On June 01 2012 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
If MZ's close minded then what was your play in MTG, where you killed yourself just to get another townie killed?
And yes, marvellosity: it's a policy lynch because VE needs to learn to stop retardedly claiming regardless of his alignment. It makes it nearly impossible to know what he is.
I mean, I can only apologize so many times for my play in MTG Bugs. I've hoped my play in this game would redeem me, but clearly when all you see is how it's being maliciously misinterpreted and you automatically assume I'm incompetent as town, then you're going to immediately discount anything I say anyway. Again, I'm sorry for my play in MTG Bugs. Srs. Outside whatever alignment I am or you are in this game, I'm sorry.
Discussion of ongoing games stops now.
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I'm at the mercy of town at this point, if you want to direct my shot I will absolutely comply. But, take that for what it's worth...the word of a man on the block.
I have nothing to gain from lying to you, because as it stands I'm going to die anyway. If I were scum and lying, it will be obvious tomorrow after the night actions.
And here's something to factor in. Scum don't know if I'm scum or SK any more than town does...so chances are, I'm going to eat a bullet. Know why? Cause I'm beast-mode SK. Ask fucking anyone.
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Mz can you explain ve's reaction to my claim from a scum perspective?
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*Vig or SK...phone posting X<
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On June 01 2012 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
And here's something to factor in. Scum don't know if I'm scum or SK any more than town does...so chances are, I'm going to eat a bullet. Know why? Cause I'm beast-mode SK. Ask fucking anyone.
Are you able to recruit me again? I'd totally team up with you if that were the case.
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On June 01 2012 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
And here's something to factor in. Scum don't know if I'm scum or SK any more than town does...so chances are, I'm going to eat a bullet. Know why? Cause I'm beast-mode SK. Ask fucking anyone.
No need. I read the game. I lurked for a while here before playing. You pretty much DO have to shoot the target that's given, but I'm still not liking what we actually learn from that, and to the extent that we need a watcher to claim, what we have to give up to learn anything.
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If there's nothing to give up then the Watcher doesn't have to out and I can die. I don't care. At that point my bullet was used in righteous townie fury, and my case on Kita is out there. I will flip Vig, and town can do what it will with all of that.
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On June 01 2012 04:41 Mattchew wrote:
Mz can you explain ve's reaction to my claim from a scum perspective?
He took your claim at face value like he had to. As scum he can't go and tell the thread you were lying and he wouldn't even know that because you might have been shot by a vigi. I really don't read into his reaction one way or another. What I think is more significant is how he defends S&B the moment you reveal your "trap."
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On June 01 2012 04:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 04:41 Mattchew wrote:
Mz can you explain ve's reaction to my claim from a scum perspective? He took your claim at face value like he had to. As scum he can't go and tell the thread you were lying and he wouldn't even know that because you might have been shot by a vigi. I really don't read into his reaction one way or another. What I think is more significant is how he defends S&B the moment you reveal your "trap."
Oooh yes Mattchew, notice how attempting to see a Townie motivation is considered "scummily defending" to MZ. This is the sentiment I'm talking about sir. <3
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Ve can you re-tell me your thoughts on snb and my trap
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The thing about your trap is that as a townie, I'm trying to see the most reasonable explanation. I understand what you were saying about scum having information about the shots, but consider that I had just posted my theory that Forumite was double-stacked as well.
I think your plan was good, but you jumped the gun on SnB...I would have waited until someone came in and was like "Yeah, it was a vig" rather than SnB's "Well guys, any chance it could be a vig?"
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On June 01 2012 04:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
And here's something to factor in. Scum don't know if I'm scum or SK any more than town does...so chances are, I'm going to eat a bullet. Know why? Cause I'm beast-mode SK. Ask fucking anyone. Are you able to recruit me again? I'd totally team up with you if that were the case.
I don't recruit scum.
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Argh stop spam it has been 20 pages since I went to bed and my eyes hurt for reading.
Get VE, my eyes won't hurt as much. If he is town Wiggles will be godfather.
If mafia, one mafia down and Wiggles is a betrayer godfather.
I believe in you MZ!
(Even though my starsenses disagree, I have to)
##Vote: VisceraEyes
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I don't think you are giving scum enough credit or reading closely enough into snb's response even after calling me out
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Fair enough, let me look again. It hadn't occurred to me until now that might be what you were asking me to do anyway...my bad.
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Add grush to my kill anyone that complains about quantity of posts while lurking themselves policy... Also grush I fail to see how discussing today's lynch is spam
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THAT, guys, is the icing on the cake. Not me thinking MZ is scum, but all the lurkers coming in and flocking to VE.
Do you guys want to lynch who the LURKERS want to lynch? Really? They're not reading the game...they're not even playing in the real sense. Vote with me, I'm reading. I'm trying. Kill Kitaman or Zealos or Wiggles or take your fucking pick...don't lynch claimed Town Vigilante.
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