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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
No, from your first post you've made it clear that I'm not welcome in your order. Even now you speak in the past tense...indicating that even if it wear possible, the time is passed. It doesn't matter now. You don't want me to work with you even though by your estimation I'm skilled enough to "lead the scumteam"...which I find maddening. I hope your.conviction is as strong as your.suspicion. I'm town and I won't be just LETTING you lynch me. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Because like you I need vet support to ly.ch a vet. Nothing strange about that. No, from your first post you've made it clear that I'm not welcome in your order. Even now you speak in the past tense...indicating that even if it wear possible, the time is passed. It doesn't matter now. You don't want me to work with you even though by your estimation I'm skilled enough to "lead the scumteam"...which I find maddening. I hope your.conviction is as strong as your.suspicion. I'm town and I won't be just LETTING you lynch me. You didn't address my main concerns  On May 31 2012 01:51 kitaman27 wrote: I counted 17 instances in your filter where you found me suspicious, wanted me lynched, or suggested that I should be shot. My policy has not changed. The only change is that I have written a case against you and Meapak no longer suspects me. So tell me, what has changed that made you go from the point of stating that I "claimed scum in the thread" to being town. You say you cannot build a case against me, but that did not stop you from pushing for my death the previous cycle. What gives? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I pushed your death D1 and N1 because you were my strongest read. My read hasn't REVERSED as you imply, you're by no means obvTown to me, but if we work together I feel like I can get a better read on you than if you just keep pushing me and I keep pushing you. I'm trying to learn from my mistakes. Let me bro. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
DON'T THINK YOU CAN HIDE FROM US. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:27 kitaman27 wrote: I SEE YOU PLAYING DOTA 2 HASSYBABY! DON'T THINK YOU CAN HIDE FROM US. But I haven't played since...well last night with BH actually. I'm still following the thread but I don't exactly have too much to add except this feels like LIII all over again. The idea of lynching VE based on balance is just weird to me. While the thinking is sort of understandable, you're not taking into account that Grey rushed out the role PMs. Plus he fact that they could just be assholes and stack one side more. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:40 Hassybaby wrote: But I haven't played since...well last night with BH actually. I'm still following the thread but I don't exactly have too much to add except this feels like LIII all over again. The idea of lynching VE based on balance is just weird to me. While the thinking is sort of understandable, you're not taking into account that Grey rushed out the role PMs. Plus he fact that they could just be assholes and stack one side more. do you think town-VE would post something like this: On May 31 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Kita are you town? I mean, obviously I have doubts...but I was unable to make a cohesive case against you last night when I tried. I think you're playing a pretty manipulative game, but not necessarily scummy after trying to build a case. I'm willing to work with you if you're town. ? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:43 Toadesstern wrote: do you think town-VE would post something like this: ? I do. While you're pushing my lynch Toad is.there anything you need from me? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, cool...Toad town... ......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? On May 30 2012 09:02 VisceraEyes wrote: He might have been a blue-snipe. Not running for office and lurking into oblivion speak to me of scum aiming for blue....that's the only thing I can imagine is up with the Mattchew shot....but again...WHY NOT SHOOT THE SOON-TO-BE-CONFIRMED-TOWN? when you're at it. What's the point? To me it looks like confusion for no reason. I don't know why mafia did not shoot me, how do you expect anyone to know that? So why do you post a question like that not only once but twice. Seems like it was kind of important for you. Think I faked the mason? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
The last sentence struck me though: On May 31 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Kita are you town? I mean, obviously I have doubts...but I was unable to make a cohesive case against you last night when I tried. I think you're playing a pretty manipulative game, but not necessarily scummy after trying to build a case. I'm willing to work with you if you're town. Well...obviously? If you're town and someone else is town, you'd be willing to work with them. If they're not town, odds are you won't be willing tow work with them. Why the emphasis on that VE? Hell, why even say it? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Instead, I think we should go with lynching Gambit today. The case on him has already been made, and it's pretty solid based on the information we have. As well, calling him scum actually looked pretty polarizing at first, and there were a couple people who soft-defended him: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. On May 30 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote: Gambit's two posts sound a lot like newer mafia posting noncommital lists of reads and then not following them up. However, I'd rather wait to vote until we've got a bit more information rather than during the first hour or two after the night post. I'm also still waiting to hear an answer to my questions for stofu, his posts look similar to me. On May 30 2012 10:07 austinmcc wrote: I'd prefer targets other than Gambit. When you called him out yesterday, you said he hadn't voted and had posted two unhelpful walls of text. The walls weren't helpful at all, but he DID vote. That plus a claimed hit is the extent of the case on Gambit. If we're lynching players for lurking and looking scummy when they don't, everyone seems pretty set that Zealos looks actively scummy. Why should we lynch Gambit based off your claimed hit and poor posting, when Zealos has had poor posting and seems less likely to modkill himself out of the game? Which could give us some decent information and leads if/when he flips scum. They all look odd to me, since none of them actively address whether they think gambit is scum or not. Instead, they're "We don't lynch lurkers", "I'd rather wait" (Why?), "You made a mistake about the voting. Lynch this other lurker instead!". Notice that none of them actually defend Gambit as town, they just try to find excuses not to lynch him. I find this interesting, since I could particularly see strongandbig or austinmc making a mistake like that as scum as they seem more inexperienced. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
##Vote: GambitX32 | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On May 31 2012 01:10 supersoft wrote: nvm. you dont understand my thoughtprocess and the pros for a scumteam to have one of them fake a hit. i draw that comclusion, because you keep repeating the same things i already read. on the other hand you're probably telling the truth now. i think your town gj. If you think I am town, do you think that SnB is scum? Can you elaborate on your thought process so that maybe I can understand it. The way I see it, is that the only way that my fake claim works in favor of a scum agenda, is if I use it to determine my innocence. The only way to do that is to convince town I was indeed shot by scum, but if I were scum I would know that WBG and MZ were to claim, thus outting my claim in a probable 1 for 1 trade which in no way is good for scum | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:05 Toadesstern wrote: I'm not going to vote gambit unless he refuses to give me the name of his char and I'd say a lynch on that guy is like flipping a coin. Why? Just saying that you don't like the lynch doesn't help us determine if the lynch is actually bad. If you don't want to see him lynched, you'll have to explain why. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Because it confused me and I wanted others' opinions. It seemed silly to me that if you're a mason as you claim that scum would leave you alive to be confirmed the next day. Tactically it was an oddity to me so I wanted.to know what [austinmcc] thought. I think it's silly and odd as well. I don't buy that he's just a green mason, but I also don't like the early explanation that was thrown out that he could be a lyncher. Not gonna find the quote, but Greymist said that lyncher/assassin wouldn't be "shooting blind." Forumite's flip shows what Grey might have meant, where the third party is given a role name, as well as a mechanic to help them figure out what player has that role. If we think that applies to the lyncher, if we have one, the idea that a lyncher would push hard for mayor to get a D1 lynch and win looks weaker, as he wouldn't yet know what player had his target role. Do you stop your thought process at silly and oddity? Do you find Toad scummy because of it? Do any of my thoughts concerning third parties or variations on roles make sense given Toad's claim? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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