Arg, where is everybody?

To Matt: I find my hypothesis on you plausible. However, I find it significantly less plausible than the idea that one of sandroba/zelblade is scum. I'd heavily favoured sandroba over zelblade but Snarfs has given me pause for thought.

There's still a buttload of townies left so can we please get some dicussion on this?

chaoser

United States5541 Posts

May 31 2012 21:40 GMT

#1544

Palmar the townie pardoner has been modkilled

Misder

United States1557 Posts

May 31 2012 23:36 GMT

#1545

I roleblocked sandroba, not that it matters really.

Bleh. I think I'm gonna have to vote zelblade just because he was voting for risk.nuke for pretty poor reasoning. I've actually have been getting more town vibes from him than sandroba except for the one inconsistency that Snarfs pointed out. But, I can kinda believe a bored sandroba, though I don't actually know his meta. Still thinking about this one.

At this point, it's whether or not zelblade + sentinel could be scum team, but idk what that team would be trying to do (bailing PaqMan out?). We were all already trying to get Janitor to out day 1 though, so would would zelblade scum take that risk?

Also, if we do decide to lynch sandroba, I can roleblock zelblade, so even if zelblade was copycat or something, nothing worse would happen.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

May 31 2012 23:37 GMT

#1546

On June 01 2012 08:36 Misder wrote:
I roleblocked sandroba, not that it matters really.

Bleh. I think I'm gonna have to vote zelblade just because he was voting for risk.nuke for pretty poor reasoning. I've actually have been getting more town vibes from him than sandroba except for the one inconsistency that Snarfs pointed out. But, I can kinda believe a bored sandroba, though I don't actually know his meta. Still thinking about this one.

At this point, it's whether or not zelblade + sentinel could be scum team, but idk what that team would be trying to do (bailing PaqMan out?). We were all already trying to get Janitor to out day 1 though, so would would zelblade scum take that risk?

Also, if we do decide to lynch sandroba, I can roleblock zelblade, so even if zelblade was copycat or something, nothing worse would happen.

misder, sandroba is active as hell as town, and is bored/dislikes playing mafia

look at his filter in liar for 'bored' sandroba mafia

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

May 31 2012 23:53 GMT

#1547

If I was a scum copycat why would I save every single kill? Would scum slow down the game so much? I won't even be suspected as the copycat for a long long time.

I will respond more in the afternoon, have school now.

sandroba

Canada4998 Posts

June 01 2012 00:16 GMT

#1548

I've reread this whole fucking thing and here are my conclusions. So the possibilities are:

Zelblade mafia - Went for vigilante or dayvigi, didn't get it and said things in thread about janitor. This may have happened, but if it did surely it was a pretty bad mistake that got sentinel killed, but it's not like mistakes didn't happen a lot in this game. Looking at the mafia picks it's possible that they went for a mass kp strat and tried to get cpr/joat/vigi/dayvigi. Zelblade got pissed off he didn't get vigi and complained in the thread about shenanigans on the janitor role since he knew only a few townies could have gone for it. Also assuming paqman had gone for dayvigi/vig and sent, zelblade could pretty much conclude the townies didn't go for janitor.
@zelblade How did you conclude shenanigans had been going on with the janitor role when you didn't get JOAT?
Looking through his filter i found some gems of soft defending mafia:

On May 17 2012 20:28 zelblade wrote:
Qatol's case on Paqman is interesting. To be honest - I think that paqman's reasonings for his posting are actually pretty decent. I can understand what he means by not being able to contribute much due to fact that plans were discussed during his absense - this is actually similar for me - I was in school for most of the draft phase, and by the time I got back there wasnt much to do other than give opinions on the plan.

On May 19 2012 01:20 zelblade wrote:
So Toad if that is what you think why is your vote on sentinel? Theres several hours left, use it to convince people (well or try to) to actually vote for who you think is scum?

It's also weird that he didn't change his vote to sentinel when risk claimed he didn't pick JOAT, since if risk was mafia he could have said he picked JOAT and still get sentinel lynched. Thus, from zelblade's perspective sentinel was the most logical vote. Mind you that the votes were really close.

Misder Mafia - Picked Roleblocker and claimed it. Possible. I looked at his filter and it actually looks really good. Can't really see it happening. If you are mafia grats, you played well and I simply can't point to anything that says you are mafia and several that points you are town.

Risk and Matt - LOL. Okay if these guys are mafia, something is really wrong with their heads.

marv - Now this gets interesting. It is possible that he is mafia, denying me the mason role which I had claimed I planned to take, not taking the useless (if claimed) janitor role and getting himself to look really good. But looking at his filter I can't really see it happening, I see several behavior clues that points to him being town. Also mason had to pick which type of mason day 1, and stronger play for mafia would be to take one scum buddy as his partner.

So the conclusion I arrived at is that zelblade is mafia. Everybody should be voting for him and I'm sorry I claimed he is unlikely mafia before due to not reading enough and not assigning enough time to this game due to D3. If you guys want to lynch me that's okay as long as you lynch zelblade tomorrow. Also just so you know if I was mafia this game I would totally have forfeited after the sk was killed, since I hate being mafia, the position was pretty much unwinnable for me since some people already wanted to lynch me (and I suck at being mafia) and I want to focus on D3.

zelblade

Australia901 Posts

June 01 2012 11:16 GMT

#1549

I concluded that there had been some shenanigans after mattchew shot. At first I thought that the matt took my Joat, but his shot confirmed him as dayvig. At that point, the plan was for risk to take janitor, marv to rng between janitor and CPR, and sent to take janitor too. As such, assuming that the 3 above me followed da plan I would have gotten Joat, which didnt happen, thus made me believe that at least one of them was not following it.

As you said there was no point in me revealing this piece of information and fucking sent over if i was scum.

Anyway the reason why I didnt change my vote was simple. I overslept, and was supposed to wake up 2 hours before the deadline instead of like 20 minutes before it with quite a few pages to read. Primary reason I didnt switch my vote was that the lynch had already been decided, and that there was 11 people on sent, which meant that politician wouldnt have been a problem. Think about it. If I was scum and managed to accidentally bus my scumbuddy as you put it, wouldnt I just dump my vote on him anyway to look more townie from the flip....? (and scum didnt get politician).

I "soft-defended" Paq because I didnt feel that he was scum at that point in time. The 2nd post was me finding Toad giving up on his opinions so early and deciding to just sheep pretty dammed wierd.

Also snarfs saying that I could be a scum copycat is plain ridiculous. There is literally no point for any scum to save KP every night just to try and pull off a ninga win -_-

As said, sandroba is more likely than not the last scum. Just cant see anyone else flipping scum apart from him at this point.

##vote: sandroba

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

June 01 2012 12:35 GMT

#1550

risk baby, could really do with your input around now

risk.nuke

Sweden2825 Posts

June 01 2012 13:30 GMT

#1551

Well it's hard and I've gone over the filters. Because I don't have anything new is why I haven't posted. I'm pretty sure Misder is town. The razor screams Mattchew is town. Palmar have a green check on him (which might have been tampered with but I'm pretty sure if he was the last scum he would had forfeited because I think he would feel disappearing as scum would be "dishonest") I'm not sure between you (marv) and zel but if were down to between you two right now I'm doubting zel more.

But I feel sandroba is most likely the final scum by alot. He's just been excusing himself, put no effort into finding scum. disappearing, heavy lurking. And he is supposed to be the best town player in the game. He occasionally shows up with an idea but even then he's mainly just mentioning something and doesn't really push for it which differs from how he pushes plans as town.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

June 01 2012 13:33 GMT

#1552

Palmar got mod-killed and was townie

chaoser

United States5541 Posts

June 01 2012 14:41 GMT

#1553

Player List

~~Qatol~~
~~slOosh~~
~~talismania~~
~~PaqMan~~
~~hiro protagonist~~
~~Probulous~~
~~[UoN]Sentinel~~
~~Zephirdd~~
~~Barundar~~
~~Bluelightz~~
~~deconduo~~
~~Toadesstern~~
~~Snarfs~~
~~Palmar~~
marvellosity
zelblade
Mattchew
risk.nuke
sandroba
Misder

1 Mafia left
0 SK left
5 Townies left

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

June 01 2012 20:07 GMT

#1554

sandroba's last post is the only townie thing he's done all game. I can't let him off the hook for that.

Too much bad stuff. Not wanting to deny CPR. No-lynch plans. Came up with lynching me day 1 because he didn't read the thread. Much more uninvolved than I would expect a town sandroba to be.