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On May 29 2012 05:51 marvellosity wrote:
I admit sandroba looks bad.
But he was voting for Sentinel on quite a weird reason at the time. Snarfs and I can't quite get over why he'd bus like that when the votes were so close.
Sandroba is the the biggest busser on all of TL.net ...
That's how he plays mafia. The moment he thinks someone plays weird enough to come to the conclusion his townie-self would figure him out he busses that guy no matter what. You can take that for granted once I flip :p
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FYI Toad, I'm always reading and reevaluating my opinions on things. Even if I seem stubborn.
Here's the reasoning I gave to marv for why I believe sandroba is town:
I'm not saying he hasn't done anything unusual from his town meta, but to be fair, look at Palmar who is most obviously town or the game would be over right now. Similar thing. This game has been weird and I wouldn't be surprised if others agreed it was weird.
Plus, why not just vote risk.nuke day 1? Why come up with some bullshit reason that Sentinel must be traitor, just to vote him instead of saving him for the first night, unless he actually believed that Sentinel could be traitor?
I really do believe that the scum team tried to save Sentinel day 1 and that if sandroba wanted to bus Sentinel he could have come up with less of a weird theory (one not involving traitors).
If sandroba wants to bus someone, he can just say that he thinks that person is scum because of some legit reason and if he's right everyone agrees that it's a town sandroba. This sandroba came up with some weird traitor theory that noone else had come up with even though there were a bunch of votes on Sentinel.
I'm not saying I'm 100% sure you're scum. I second guessed myself recently in PMs with marv. However, I believe that if you are town, your death will add a lot more power to your words. I believe that with current information, you're more likely to be scum than zel or sandroba, and apparently a few others agree based on the voting. That being said, if you die and flip town, I'll be more than happy to consider everything you've said as genuine.
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I am not voting toad, I don't think he is scum. I think that sandroba is scum
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That being said, this:
On May 29 2012 06:08 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 05:51 marvellosity wrote:
I admit sandroba looks bad.
But he was voting for Sentinel on quite a weird reason at the time. Snarfs and I can't quite get over why he'd bus like that when the votes were so close. Sandroba is the the biggest busser on all of TL.net ... That's how he plays mafia. The moment he thinks someone plays weird enough to come to the conclusion his townie-self would figure him out he busses that guy no matter what. You can take that for granted once I flip :p
is probably the most useful thing you've said so far. Why can't all your posts be this simple and informative?
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On May 29 2012 09:05 Mattchew wrote:
I am not voting toad, I don't think he is scum. I think that sandroba is scum
What about Toad makes you think he is town?
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On May 29 2012 09:05 Snarfs wrote:That being said, this: Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 06:08 Toadesstern wrote:On May 29 2012 05:51 marvellosity wrote:
I admit sandroba looks bad.
But he was voting for Sentinel on quite a weird reason at the time. Snarfs and I can't quite get over why he'd bus like that when the votes were so close. Sandroba is the the biggest busser on all of TL.net ... That's how he plays mafia. The moment he thinks someone plays weird enough to come to the conclusion his townie-self would figure him out he busses that guy no matter what. You can take that for granted once I flip :p is probably the most useful thing you've said so far. Why can't all your posts be this simple and informative?
they are, but they are so heavily compressed with information that people don't understand them as I am typing them and usually end up forgetting something inbetween so the explanation often times lacks a critical detail which I obviously only figure out hours later.
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Good luck, Town! Take it home!
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I did end up roleblocking Toad.
I think sandroba is actually more likely to be mafia than Toad. I can believe that sandroba scum would try to take mason anyways, or it was a gambit to look town. The only thing that I think points sandroba as town is that he claimed tried to get mason early, but I think at this point, I think everything else outweighs at this point.
##Vote: sandroba
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I'd almost consider switching to sandroba just on the fact that he didn't comment on PaqMan at all day 1, even though Qatol made a case and he probably knows Qatol is pretty good at this game.
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On May 29 2012 09:21 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 09:05 Mattchew wrote:
I am not voting toad, I don't think he is scum. I think that sandroba is scum What about Toad makes you think he is town?
It boils down to this for me.
1) sandroba in general looks scummier. But as Snarfs posted some of our PM above, his redeeming feature was his day 1 vote
2) Toad doesn't look as scummy. But what makes anyone comfortable that he is town?
Toad makes what I presume is a valid point about sandroba bussing people (I say I presume because no-one disagreed). Not totally sure which is the right choice atm :x
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Player List
Qatol
slOosh
talismania
PaqMan
hiro protagonist
Probulous
[UoN]Sentinel
Zephirdd
Barundar
Bluelightz
deconduo
marvellosity
Toadesstern
zelblade
Mattchew
risk.nuke
Snarfs
Palmar
sandroba
Misder
1 Mafia left
0 SK left
8 Townies left
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Oh a last thought/explanation about Palmar.
I still think he's town but here's the reason why I don't want people to listen him if he decides to start playing:
It is very much possible that his claim is completle garbage and is something entirely different.
The thing is we have a DT check on him telling us he's green but he could be something like a godfather so I'd rather trust reads than a check on him. Both tell me he's town but nothing like a confirmed townie, which people tend to think after hearing someone DT'ed the guy.
Still think he's town and it's either Sandro or Zelblade but if both flip town (I'll eat a hat if that happens) he might be an option.
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I don't think Palmar would claim to quit and not actually quit.
On May 25 2012 20:01 Palmar wrote:
I'm asking for a replacement out of the game. Consider me out of the game until the mods or I (with their blessing) find a replacement.
If he was scum the game should really be over by now because he conceded and there has been no replacement. I give a 0% chance Palmar is scum.
I think the general plan in my head right now is to lynch either sandroba or Toad, then if they flip town, lynch the opposite one. If it turns out both are town look at zelblade and everyone else again because if Palmar gets modkilled that'd be mylo.
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Snarfs in your mind is it possible Marv could be scum and have mason'd you for town cred? Have we discussed this?
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We've not discussed it, so feel free 
Just a little note that I hammer voted Sentinel ^^
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Yes Marv your scum play is scary however.. And the fact that the remaining scum hasn't conceded at 8-1 is perplexing to me.. I'm not saying you should be lynched before sandroba or zel or toad but it's just food for thought... I think sum taking the mason role is highly viable cause it is stronger in town hands then scums.. An you get instant town cred for being mason'd with a townie
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On May 30 2012 01:08 Mattchew wrote:
Yes Marv your scum play is scary however.. And the fact that the remaining scum hasn't conceded at 8-1 is perplexing to me.. I'm not saying you should be lynched before sandroba or zel or toad but it's just food for thought... I think sum taking the mason role is highly viable cause it is stronger in town hands then scums.. An you get instant town cred for being mason'd with a townie
Yes, that's fair enough. It'd be a fucking boss scum play. But you'd have to presume
1) I wouldn't take a strong mafia role at #3
2) I hammer voted Sentinel despite being on the fence and actually attacking risk more during the day
With any luck Snarfs thinks I'm town anyway.
More likely than me taking mason and hammer voting scum is that you shot scum day 1 for credit as scum. Just sayin' like.
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that is actually a good point. You should post your loggs marv. I'd like to read them.
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Alright, I've asked Snarfs
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Are they allowed to post their obs-qt link/pm's or do they need to post the conversation manually
x said: stuff
y said: stuff
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