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I think the town MVP was Snarfs. I am extremely impressed with how he played this game. His posts were always very thoughtful and well-reasoned and he was very good at keeping us focused on the matter at hand. Also, he did an excellent job of establishing his own innocence even before he was confirmed as the masoned townie (a very important but often underrated skill). I was very disappointed that he turned out to be the masoned townie because I wanted another free innocent, and not someone I already was 99% sure was innocent. You are definitely someone who surprised me, but in a good way. I have very high hopes for you going forward. (By the way, the last person who impressed me as much as you just did was Radfield back in PYP1.)
On the other hand, I am disappointed in other players, specifically Mattchew and sandroba. Mattchew, it felt like you weren't putting in the effort necessary to play well during the whole game. You impressed me with the shot on deconduo (though I still think you should have saved it for day 2), but the rest of your game really left me feeling let down. I actually had you as a scum read going into day 1 because I thought you would be a lot more active in the discussion (which is one reason I challenged the conception that you were "confirmed" because of your shot - the other reason being because I come from an era where we actually had truly confirmed townies and PM circles, so the term means something different to me). And after that, it felt like you were relying on other people to make your arguments/do your analysis for you. I was hoping to see you make a few strong cases yourself.
Sandroba, the reason I was disappointed in your play was because you had a reputation of being a decent player, but it felt like you put little to no effort into this game until very late. I realize that you were busy playing diablo, but this game had a waiting list, some of whom didn't get into the game at all, and I think you shouldn't have taken up a spot in the game if you weren't going to play it seriously. It isn't like you didn't know diablo would be coming out. Also, it frustrated me a ton that you accused Barundar of playing against his win condition when you came very close to doing the same thing with the way you played this game on cruise control.
I was serious about not playing as well as I wanted to. I really should have pushed Barundar over hiro protagonist (I didn't look into the posting behavior as thoroughly as I should have) and I should have caught onto zelblade much sooner. I even had zelblade on my short list for scum before day 1 started but I went against my reads because of the whole role thing. Also, I provided a major distraction during day 1 with the PaqMan thing, and nearly split the vote resulting in a no lynch. Thankfully Snarfs was around to keep us on track. Oh well, something to think about when going forward.
By the way, mafia/Barundar: why didn't you shoot me earlier? Were you afraid of a defensive role? If so, why no shot on night 2 (after I roleclaimed) or night 3 (after the medic was dead)? Radfield, GMarshal, Ver, and I were all very surprised that I survived as long as I did, especially with a protection role.
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On June 08 2012 05:59 Mattchew wrote:
And to qatol, I could have tried harder but after paqman went down it became a game more based on roles and numbers than behavior analysis as seen in the results (prOcess of elimination lynching should have killed zelblade and won for town)
What about the time before PaqMan went down? I still feel like you were extremely lazy during the pre-day 1 process and during day 1 itself.
On June 08 2012 06:32 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 06:29 risk.nuke wrote:On June 08 2012 05:55 Mattchew wrote:
I'm sorry you wanted more power and it wasnt given to you but you are looking really petty and selfish right now If that's what you think my angle is, well I'm sorry you can't see further then that. I legitimatly believe chaoser favored mafia. Cool beans dood keep arguing a decision you are the only one (so far) that has a problem with it... And keep calling me retarded... I'm sure this is gonna go well for you...
I disagreed with taking away the vigi hit as well, though I understand chaoser's argument that he confirmed risk.nuke as the vigi and me as the jailkeeper. However, I just don't feel that it is worth arguing too much over. What's done is done and nothing we say about it now is going to change anything. Regardless, you aren't helping things by trying to provoke him further like that.
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On June 08 2012 06:52 Mattchew wrote:
I didn't care about any plans cause I knew I wouldn't partake in them so why would I expect others to? And then day 1 we had the sent situation... And by day 2 it was a numbers game... I did think barundar was scum so I pushed for him to get shot/lynched but I didn't need to push that hard
Then why didn't you mention that? It's clear that others were expecting you to partake. You should have posted your reservations. Day 1 you barely contributed to the sentinel situation. Night 1 you didn't contribute, and you definitely should have.
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On June 08 2012 08:09 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 03:41 risk.nuke wrote:
Qatol was the townie mvp no competition.
In the end truthfully I wasn't feeling confident on zelblade either after I died but as Mattchew said, there was to much time not to second guess and go paranoid.
I guess this game needs to end in a draw.
1 thing I still have a problem with was the turning my vig-shot into a lynch and cancelling the day. I can understand that something might be done since the host messed up. The mafia benefited greatly from that trade which you could really see in the lategame when we had less information to scumhunt with. Then on top of that you also took away our vig shot. I have a theory about this and that is that chaoser purposefully favored the scum more then neccersary and more then was fair because the scumteam had lost 3/4 of their team and was loosing badly. This is unacceptable. The mods can't be allowed for any reason to interfere in the game and rebalance it or give a side more or less help depending on how good or bad their position is. A mistake on my part should not affect the standings of how well either team is doing. In this case, it did. Had I not made that mistake, the mafia team would have been in decent standings, especially since your shot got blocked by a townie roleblocker. If Paqman later flipped mafia due to a lynch, there would have been heavy pressure on misder for roleblocking a shot that was aimed at a mafia that mafia could have exploited. So I did the best that I could, as a mod, to mitigate the damage that I had done to the game. And it wasn't like I made the decision by myself. I was informed by Qatol that I should end the day early with a no lynch. In that case, since Paqman is dead, the only way he would be dead would be due to your shot. That is why I ended the day early and your shot was taken.
Actually, I recommended (or at least was trying to recommend) that you end the day with a no lynch, treating it as if we had lynched PaqMan. I thought the shot should have been refunded.
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On June 08 2012 08:59 chaoser wrote:
From: Qatol [ 2925 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: as an aside
Date: 5/21/12 03:01
I assume the mafia are whining about the PaqMan shot, or will be soon. If I were a host advisor in this situation, I would probably advise you to just go to night without a lynch and give risk.nuke to try and balance the mistake (assume the town lynched PaqMan). As a player I'm more greedy and more biased, though. I just thought I would throw that out there. It's obviously completely up to you and GMarshal.
When I first read it I thought you meant give risk.nuke a chance to try and balance the mistake with his second shot, which he could use right away since day ended and it was night.
Yeah, I meant to say "give risk.nuke his shot back to try and balance his mistake". I clearly missed a few key words, my apologies. But that was why I sent this one 40 minutes later:
To: chaoser [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: as an aside Date: 5/21/12 03:40 I'm a little confused about why risk.nuke doesn't get his shot back (assuming for argument's sake that he is one, even if he isn't actually one - to be clear, you aren't admitting anything about his role by answering). Show nested quote +Original Message From GMarshal: Yes and yes, so if your roleblock a janitor who is trying to activate his power a.) The daypost has normal flips b.) The janitor keeps his power to use another night if he so desires. Original Message From Qatol:
If I roleblock a janitor who sends in the PM to prevent the flip the same night, does the flip happen?
Would he be able to use his ability on a future day post? This PM conversation indicated that at least Janitor would still be able to use his ability during a future night if he was roleblocked the night he tried to use his ability. Is there a reason why Vigilante works differently? Is it just the different situation?
Regardless, what's done is done, and this is a really tangential discussion which won't change anything now. I just wanted to make it clear that I thought you should have given him his shot back.
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On June 08 2012 19:30 Barundar wrote:
Really well done by town, town atmosphere was good and there was some good role picks as well. Mafia had 2 vanilla, town had 3. Personally I regret not saving Sentinel day 1 with politician power, but I wanted to keep the role a secret. Turned out Snarf not only confirmed it was in the game, he was also confirmed town, bah ^.^. I'm a little dissapointed how the activity fell after the key townies died, but I guess mafia needed all the inactivity help they could get.
@qatol I didn't shoot you because I didn't feel like I was in danger from you, and you where more mafia's problem. So I focused on sniping blues the first few days (sadly mafia did same), and by the time doctor was dead I was already doomed and just shot the confirmed town. I guess emotionaly I didn't want to shoot you for standing up to sandroba either.
GG everyone, thanks for hostig guys <3
I don't think you should regret not saving Sentinel. SK needs people to die as quickly as possible. If you had saved Sentinel, it would have been a no lynch, the worst lynch outcome for the SK. Besides, you couldn't have known for sure that Sentinel was the mafia or that he had a KP role until zelblade claimed. You just had a rough position this game because SK needs the mafia to do more early damage than they managed to do. I think you made a good game of it even despite that, so you have nothing to regret. 
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Ah, I see, the I was thinking those posts had to be a breadcrumb, but I couldn't figure out what you were referring to. I didn't realize the breadcrumb was coming after those posts. I figured you had already made it. I probably spent a good half hour trying to figure out what the heck you were breadcrumbing. 
Unfortunately, posting a hint the way you did is probably what got you shot. I actually considered protecting you night 2, but I figured you likely had an investigative role and I didn't want to block it if you weren't shot at. So I protected someone I thought was pretty obviously town, made sense as a shot, and had a role which wasn't going to be blocked (Marvellosity).
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Still, for future reference, you probably shouldn't drop a hint like that until after you have posted your breadcrumbed material. Otherwise, you're likely to simply get shot without providing any results to anyone. Also, you may not want to post the hint until you have something to actually provide.
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