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Sigh, we did not need more people to claim green.
On May 19 2012 03:18 risk.nuke wrote:
There is also a possibility that Marv is scum and another scum is the real mason.
Not really, because that would be way too risky for scum.
On May 19 2012 03:33 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 03:26 sandroba wrote:
That was uber retardness picking mason at that spot, but oh well. There is another explanation I had not considered, which is sentinel is traitor. Kinda makes sense ensuring we would go in a wild chase after the other 2 players.
I'd like risk to claim before I decide whom to vote. Risk doesn't need to claim, at least not yet. Zelblade needs to claim whether mason was the role he tried to select. If it wasn't, then we know risk selected the role zelblade tried to grab or sentinel is lying about whiffing on traitor, or both.
When did Sentinel say he tried to get traitor?
I do agree that zelblade should confirm first before risk roleclaims.
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On May 19 2012 03:50 Misder wrote:Sigh, we did not need more people to claim green. Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 03:18 risk.nuke wrote:
There is also a possibility that Marv is scum and another scum is the real mason. Not really, because that would be way too risky for scum. Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 03:33 Qatol wrote:On May 19 2012 03:26 sandroba wrote:
That was uber retardness picking mason at that spot, but oh well. There is another explanation I had not considered, which is sentinel is traitor. Kinda makes sense ensuring we would go in a wild chase after the other 2 players.
I'd like risk to claim before I decide whom to vote. Risk doesn't need to claim, at least not yet. Zelblade needs to claim whether mason was the role he tried to select. If it wasn't, then we know risk selected the role zelblade tried to grab or sentinel is lying about whiffing on traitor, or both. When did Sentinel say he tried to get traitor? I do agree that zelblade should confirm first before risk roleclaims.
Sorry, I meant Janitor.
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On May 19 2012 02:05 Snarfs wrote:
Palmar, you say that Sentinel claiming VT is very unlikely for mafia, but if he had claimed anything else he would be going against a plan that he had agreed to before day 1 and would very likely be under fire anyways. By claiming VT, if he is janitor, he at least has a chance to survive until the night and hide the flip and whatever information that might contain.
That's how I see it.
How about claiming the fucking Janitor? I wouldn't put two people under fire, I'd just sweep it under the rug and still play a VT game without consequence. Risk and marv already said neither one chose Janitor, are they going to suddenly claim they have it after I made my claim? That would make them look worse than they do now.
On May 19 2012 02:51 risk.nuke wrote:
My vote is glued on sentinel if he won't come back with an explaination for his thoughts and another very good one for his absense. I've had to many experience with scum succesfully averting their lynches by just disapearing.
Guess who has to leave about four hours before the lynch.
Anyways, I believe marv. Because there is literally no explanation why he would claim mason of all roles as scum. Which makes it risk.nuke's turn to get up on the noose.
Anyways, I think more people should listen to toad. He has an excellent point on why all the votes on me are stupid.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 19 2012 01:17 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 01:06 zelblade wrote:
Also I find the fact that people are using "Sentinel is a VT anyway, if we lose him we lose the least" as a scummy and lousy reason for their vote. Apply actual analysis instead of basing it on the potential loss please. Well I still disagree with the situation that we have to lynch into one of the three but at least that sentence is worth a fucking medal. Finally I feel like I'm not the only one realizing what's going on (Palmar and Sandro know what's going on as well but Sandro somehow ended up saying "Sent CAN NOT BE MAFIA, therefore we lynch him" which I don't understand) but sadly you have to show people that they are wrong by lynching the mod-confirmed townie and shove his green head up their way and yell "SEE?!?! SEEE?!?!?!". Sad thing that's how tl mafia works these days, so let us lynch the townie today and start off d2 anew with everyone realizing how stupid this lynch was. That way people might consider something else. If people are willing to lynch into someone with the reason "at least he WILL (!) flip VT". not even giving him a good chance to flip mafia, there's really not much to say about this that could change peoples opinion. It's not getting any more obvious, ever, and we'll have to go through with this at this point...
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On May 19 2012 04:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
How about claiming the fucking Janitor? I wouldn't put two people under fire, I'd just sweep it under the rug and still play a VT game without consequence. Risk and marv already said neither one chose Janitor, are they going to suddenly claim they have it after I made my claim? That would make them look worse than they do now.
You claimed before risk.nuke did. And you did it in such a way that it left you open to either claiming not to have tried to get Janitor or to have tried and failed to get Janitor.
Why would risk.nuke come in and see that both you and marv have claimed not to have gotten Janitor, then claim not to be the Janitor if he was scum? The only way that makes sense is if he is really scum and did not choose Janitor - a scenario which doesn't work based on yours and marv's claims.
Your defense defends him more than yourself because of the order of claims. If he chose Janitor, he could "just sweep it under the rug and still play a VT game without consequence."
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On May 17 2012 21:13 marvellosity wrote:
I am not Janitor
On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:I did not get janitor 
On May 18 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not the janitor.
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Except that I would argue that I'm the janitor, Risk could say "No I'm the janitor" and we'd be having the exact same conversation right now. Except my side would be more believable because Risk was being arrogant and suggested he was not going to be the janitor even before roles were assigned.
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On May 19 2012 05:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Except that I would argue that I'm the janitor, Risk could say "No I'm the janitor" and we'd be having the exact same conversation right now. Except my side would be more believable because Risk was being arrogant and suggested he was not going to be the janitor even before roles were assigned.
Why would you be arguing that you're the janitor?(!) Scumslip?
If risk claimed that he was the janitor then it would be assumed that you were both telling the truth and that you were both town aligned. Noone would be arguing anything. You seem to have forgotten that you're claiming to have attempted to get the Janitor role but ended up as VT.
I'd like other people besides Sentinel to weigh in since obviously if he's mafia there's no point just the two of us going back and forth.
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On May 19 2012 05:17 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 05:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Except that I would argue that I'm the janitor, Risk could say "No I'm the janitor" and we'd be having the exact same conversation right now. Except my side would be more believable because Risk was being arrogant and suggested he was not going to be the janitor even before roles were assigned. Why would you be arguing that you're the janitor?(!) Scumslip?
You're kidding, right? I make a hypothetical argument, you call that a scumslip?
If risk claimed that he was the janitor then it would be assumed that you were both telling the truth and that you were both town aligned. Noone would be arguing anything. You seem to have forgotten that you're claiming to have attempted to get the Janitor role but ended up as VT.
I think you misread my post. I'm addressing the scenario where we both claim Janitor.
I'd like other people besides Sentinel to weigh in since obviously if he's mafia there's no point just the two of us going back and forth.
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On May 19 2012 05:01 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 04:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
How about claiming the fucking Janitor? I wouldn't put two people under fire, I'd just sweep it under the rug and still play a VT game without consequence. Risk and marv already said neither one chose Janitor, are they going to suddenly claim they have it after I made my claim? That would make them look worse than they do now.
You claimed before risk.nuke did. And you did it in such a way that it left you open to either claiming not to have tried to get Janitor or to have tried and failed to get Janitor. Why would risk.nuke come in and see that both you and marv have claimed not to have gotten Janitor, then claim not to be the Janitor if he was scum? The only way that makes sense is if he is really scum and did not choose Janitor - a scenario which doesn't work based on yours and marv's claims. Your defense defends him more than yourself because of the order of claims. If he chose Janitor, he could "just sweep it under the rug and still play a VT game without consequence."
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Actually, risk claimed the first of the 3.
On May 17 2012 01:18 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm Town.
I still don't understand your reasoning to why you think I would pick traitor. You're just wifoming your own head dizzy.
I'm not going to pick janitor.
I'm not just saying I'm not going to pick janitor, I'm really not goin to pick janitor what are you going to do about that toad? If he takes Janitor after a post like this and claims it, the town probably policy lynches him.
It makes more sense for Sentinel to be mafia or traitor. Look what his claim has forced us to do. We're stuck in a situation in which we are lynching one of the top 3 living picks. If we mislynch, we probably wind up spending the next lynch arguing over the same people. And we still don't even know for sure that the Janitor role is even among these 3 players!
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Sentinel being traitor is the best fit imo.
I like the zelblade thing, he has to confirm he didn't try for dayvig/mason/janitor/cpr then we know risk is not janitor.
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On May 19 2012 05:21 Qatol wrote:
It makes more sense for Sentinel to be mafia or traitor. Look what his claim has forced us to do. We're stuck in a situation in which we are lynching one of the top 3 living picks. If we mislynch, we probably wind up spending the next lynch arguing over the same people. And we still don't even know for sure that the Janitor role is even among these 3 players!
I thought it might be Sentinel but my gut is saying risk atm. Look what his claim has forced us to do? Look what risk did by just not choosing janitor in #2 spot. That's worse. Hypocritical of me I know.
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Zelblade is the key here - he knew something was fishy with the janitor situation because he had sixth pick and bounced with someone. Which to reiterate: he only could have known as town that dayvig and cpr were gone above him when he made that post.
If he picked vigilante and bounced with someone, then, at the time he made his post, it could have been either risk, marv, or sentinel.
But if he picked Janitor - wouldn't he have said so by now??? And why on earth would a town zelblade go for janitor at spot 6. And why, if he were scum, would a risk.nuke take janitor as town and then lie about it this vehemently for this long?
It seems more likely that he took non-Janitor, which means risk isn't Janitor, which means it's sentinel as traitor or marv as scum even though that's looking really far-fetched at the moment.
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On May 19 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 05:21 Qatol wrote:
It makes more sense for Sentinel to be mafia or traitor. Look what his claim has forced us to do. We're stuck in a situation in which we are lynching one of the top 3 living picks. If we mislynch, we probably wind up spending the next lynch arguing over the same people. And we still don't even know for sure that the Janitor role is even among these 3 players! I thought it might be Sentinel but my gut is saying risk atm. Look what his claim has forced us to do? Look what risk did by just not choosing janitor in #2 spot. That's worse. Hypocritical of me I know.
I realize that what risk did was very arrogant and selfish, and obviously quite damaging to the town. That being said, I don't think he is the right lynch and I hope you can take a step back and come to the same conclusion.
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On May 19 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 05:21 Qatol wrote:
It makes more sense for Sentinel to be mafia or traitor. Look what his claim has forced us to do. We're stuck in a situation in which we are lynching one of the top 3 living picks. If we mislynch, we probably wind up spending the next lynch arguing over the same people. And we still don't even know for sure that the Janitor role is even among these 3 players! I thought it might be Sentinel but my gut is saying risk atm. Look what his claim has forced us to do? Look what risk did by just not choosing janitor in #2 spot. That's worse. Hypocritical of me I know.
Sorry but isn't the current situation good for town. We keep saying how dumb this move was for scum. I can't understand how you seem to think it's bad for town and bad for scum. Does this somehow benefit the SK or what are you talking about?
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Risk claims to pick non-janitor
Marv claims to pick mason
Sentinel claims to pick janitor, fail and get vt
zelblade claims to pick ***, fail and get vt
I'm guessing that zelblade probably picked risk's role. There is no sense in revealing what role risk has as it won't solve the problem. We know he didn't pick janitor because the thread is shot if this is just a ploy and I doubt he would think it good enough to keep going and letting town divebomb into nothingness.
I'm going with Sentinel as traitor for this one - it buys the 1 man down scum team time to regroup / plan. If sentinel is town then risk would be a liar but that conflicts with the zelblade clash unless he picked mason (which I doubt but hey, marv picked mason so anything goes).
Even if zelblade were to claim picking mason and the liar between risk and sentinel, risk's in-your-face I do what I want demeanor is more townlike than Sentinel's cautiousness (I'd be screaming my head off if I believed marv's mason claim which would mean risk picked janitor and lied about it)
##Vote [UoN]Sentinel
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I gotta go out so I'm leaving my vote at sentinel.
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I'm off, I'll be back either right before or right after the deadline.
Hope you guys make the right choice and lynch risk. If not, it's been a fun game.
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On May 19 2012 07:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm scum and I'm giving up now.
Hope you guys suddenly loose all pretense of sanity and lynch risk. If not, it's been a fun game.
Fixed.
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No point leaving my vote on Marv switching to sentinel with the assumption that zelblade didn't pick janitor.
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