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dahdum
United States46 Posts
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
In the absence of other first day clues, I will push to lynch lurkers / low content / indecisive players. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 10 2012 08:36 FirmTofu wrote: I'm all for lynching a lurker, but we should definitely wait a bit for everyone to have a chance to post. Hey Tofu, yes we should wait, and I'm sure we'll get better clues than complete inactivity, but it has to be an option. I hope you aren't mafia again This sounds like something a mafia would say. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 10 2012 15:01 Jailbreaker wrote: Hello everyone! I agree to pressure the lurkers, but its only the first few hours of the game. What are everyone's thoughts on the aggressiveness so far? Note: BroodKingEXE, dahdum , Darkfirex5 , Unforgiven_ve, ShiaoPi already having "suspicions" Now I'm suspicious of you, what's the point of that post? A list of people who've posted so far and vague agreement with the general consensus. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 10 2012 13:48 BroodKingEXE wrote: What are you implying here? We should wait for everyone to post before coming to conclusions? That seems scummy to me, we should be analyzing peoples posts right now. You just created a reason for you not to post. Convince your not scum. I'm on this wagon, for BKE's reason and the "I hope you aren't mafia" statement. Let's hear more from you Firm. ##Vote FirmTofu | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 10 2012 16:12 BioSC wrote: While I agree that the back half of his post is worthy of discussion, I would hope that simply saying that him hoping you aren't mafia is worthy of a lynch. Maybe it's just me, but that simply sounds as if he remembers you from a previous game, and perhaps you did well as mafia then. I feel like the mafia/town alignment of a previous game shouldn't be a factor in deciding whom to lynch in THIS game. Posting style, however, can and most likely should be used. A lot of people are shooting off votes 4ish hours into the day, and while it's majority vote at the end of the day, I think there are better ways of getting people to speak up without throwing around votes on a whim. Let's see what Firm has to say. Actually, throwing around votes is an excellent way of getting people to speak up. You're defending him right now, he'll respond, and we can interpret later if/when he flips what that says about you. We were in the last game together so I also have a better sense of his style than I do of the rest of you. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote Anacletus | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 11 2012 05:56 Jailbreaker wrote: :D dahdum, why are you searching for a bandwagon and state your reasons as "because." Can you give a little more insight plz? Actually I believe I said because reasons. If we never get any wagons going, we never pressure mafia into having to take a vote/stance. I'm at work so I can't write long explanations, but since I 100% want somebody to die today, I'm fine voting for whomever the current scummiest is. No-lynch is not an option. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:16 Mufaa wrote: [/b]Makes sense, but FYI you didn't actually vote for unforgiven. Instead of unvote you did unvite so I don't think your change will be counted. I figured after getting called out for editing you'd pay closer attention to your posts. For claiming to be pro-town these things(edit & failed voting) do nothing but benefit the mafia through ambiguity if you really are town. So why should we believe you're town if you can't take the extra 30 secs to proof your posts? Why shouldn't we assume the failed vote was you attempting to hide your focus on Tofu while ensuring that when you got called out you had a fallback ready by just saying oops? Actually I think it makes very poor sense and he is even more suspicious for it. He's essentially saying "I'd like to throw my vote away, I might not bother to vote again later so I definitely don't want it to matter". That's a scum move. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
--Scummy List - -- Most To Least Analectus - No point summarizing so far, chief suspect. Actually votes for himself after attempting to throw his vote away without reason, and says "I never said I was protown". Not acting like town. Hyaach - Bandwagons, no pressure at all. Urges caution. Scummy. BioSC - Highly defensive, focuses on Analectus. Darkfirex5 - Keeps cautioning against bandwagons and voting too early, sounds like scum trying to defend Analectus. Last post says he's voting against Unforgiven but then botches the vote for Analectus? Crossfire99 - Obsessed with Analectus, doesn't discuss anyone else. BKE - Not providing reads, only a semi-baseless vote which helped get the game going. Talks about scum will do and urges caution. Scummy. Jailbreaker - Worried about people pressuring too much, defensive, not contributing reads, promises something soon. Mufaa - Very few posts but cites RL reason and reiterates basic strategy. Jumps on Analectus for technicality, contributes no reads on anyone else. Austinmcc - Rightly pressures Analectus for his "i don't have much to add" vote, continues to lay one the pressure but never calls him out as scum or gives any real reads/analysis. FirmTofu - Defends the bandwagon well, placing reasonable pressure on Analectus. Compared to last game he seems more thoughtful however, so I'm suspicious of that. ShiaoPi - Jumps on Hyaach, lots of analysis. The huge post is somewhat indicative of a scum play, but I concur with his picks (Analectus/Hyaach) so far. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
Unforgiven_ve - He's not in the filter list yet. He votes for himself even though he has a top list already and some reads. Scummy, but maybe just catching up. I'd put him somewhere in the middle. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 11 2012 12:02 Anacletus wrote: Entirely subjective and of course you'd rush to create it so you could not be counted in it. Personally, I think that this is a bit suspicious. I'd just like for everyone to take a quick gander at his reasoning behind low suspicions of "agrees with me on lynches" and just how odd that is. When we start weening down the list - assuming the cop searches and finds me innocent - keep that in mind as you check everyone bandwagoning me. That would be "lowest" suspicion, and of course I did not include myself in my own scummy list. Here you go though: Dahdum - Promiscuously voting and joining wagons, hasn't started his own yet. No one has really pressured him, posted first. Accuses many. Here's my rebuttal to that totally subjective read: It's Day 1, we need debate, opinions, and voting on the record. I'm waiting for BioSC to post one more scummy thing before I'm campaigning for him, as of now I'm happy with any of the top 3 in my list. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 11 2012 12:05 Darkfirex5 wrote: at dahdum, i never said i was voting against Unforgiven, where did you see that? A quote pls, cause i dont see a post from me attacking unforgiven... dont want to say your lying but, where is your misinterpretation? This list is also just fluff, great you show us your views on who you think it is scummy, but after reading it, no further attention goes towards it. --> probably the most questionable thing is that you put Hyaach right under Analectus. Hyaach started the bandwagon on Analectus, so now your saying if you think that the most likely mafia player Anacletus, and the person who goes after him first is Hyaach. Additionally now you seem to have summarized basically what is happening in this game, maybe some analysis would be more helpful. Additionally quoting, how you are coming to these fluff conclusions of people would be great, so then we could relate to these points that you are making. In the end i just reread what has been happening and your thoughts on this thread FOS: dahdum Yes, I'm trying to show my thoughts and spark further discussion. Not claiming Hyaach/Analectus are both mafia, I agree it seems unlikely, but I'm fine with either getting lynched. Day 2 will obviously change things. Why don't you tell us what your list looks like and why Darkfire, or would you prefer to keep all your reads to yourself? | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
Sure, this is why I think you're scummy: Sounds like a solid strategy. Basic, but solid. Getting rid of lurkers/low content players seems like a win/win. If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways. You're agreeing with me here, but then the "they would be as bad as scum" phrase really seems out of place. My first suspicion based on that. While I agree that the back half of his post is worthy of discussion, I would hope that simply saying that him hoping you aren't mafia is worthy of a lynch. Maybe it's just me, but that simply sounds as if he remembers you from a previous game, and perhaps you did well as mafia then. I feel like the mafia/town alignment of a previous game shouldn't be a factor in deciding whom to lynch in THIS game. Read what I posted again. I threw my suspicions towards him as well. Not sure what about my post was defending him. By throwing your suspicions I assume you mean the phrase "back half of his post is worthy of discussion". Super passive and non-committal. Not enough to drive my vote to you, but I'm sure to keep an eye on your posts. Sounds like something one scum says to another. I'd also like to hear more on who you think is suspicious beyond Analectus? | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 11 2012 13:18 Hyaach wrote: My best pressure is my vote. i believe i started the wagon, so why am i listed as a bandwagon?. bandwagon if anything are dahdum who has join the vote on whomever is being pressured at the very moment. as for me voting without reason i believe any townie who saw the first post after my list would be decent enough to figure out why My bad, you did start that wagon and I do see the justification for it. He gave us more reasons afterward too. What are your thoughts on BioSC & Mufaa? | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:37 BioSC wrote:Dahdum, I think your heart is in the right place, but focusing on a "short list" of the most scummy players would allow us to focus on finding, like Tofu said, a single guilty party. My opinion is my own, not a consensus of the group and not a guide for mafia. If you don't feel comfortable commenting more broadly feel free to focus down on 1 or 2 people while ignoring your scumbuddies. Focus happens as we have more information. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
Will support a lynch of BioSC or BKE, do we have a current vote count? | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
##Vote BroodKingEXE Might not be enough to swing it, but I feel more comfortable lynchying BKE than Anac at this point. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 12 2012 10:00 ShiaoPi wrote: I am unsure what to make of it right now. He seemed to have suspected BKE for a while which could explain his vote on him after austin made his case. Especially since nobody seemed to be inclined to follow up his pressure on BioSC. The only slightly suspicious thing I can make out is in his post just before his vote he says the following: First he says that he backs off from anacletus, although he only jumped on that bandwagon without much explanation and did not follow it up with pressure besides his vote. It would have made more sense to say "I am backing off from BioSC for now" as he was focused on him. But it can also be argued that it was just a wording issue as his vote was indeed still on anacletus. His reasoning on switching onto BKE is basically sheeping austinmcc's arguments without adding anything else to it. He also does not post again before the lynch. If we take his comment on BKE from his list into consideration it seems a lot less scummy than it might otherwise, so for now just slightly fishy play due to lack of discussion and trying really hard to start a case on BioSC without actually starting one. I stand by my vote on BKE, I've been at work so couldn't really go in depth on Anaclectus - but I still get that newbie town vibe. Bringing up BioSC was just reiterating the top of my list, it's also enjoyable how defensive he gets when mentioned. I'll make a full case when I'm ready. I'm not sold on anyone being confirmed, and we haven't gotten to true analysis stage. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
@Mufaa - You're right about me considering a case against Tofu. If you look at his play style this game versus last game, it's very different. Read his filter in the last newbie game when he was a blue role and compare it to this one, he doesn't sound Town to me at all now. As for the mafia's kill, makes perfect sense. That guy was contributing a lot and spending a lot of time doing analysis, so a strong kill for mafia. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 15 2012 04:21 austinmcc wrote: dahdum and BioSC, before today you guys were calling each other out and suspicious of each other. Do you each still believe the other scummy? Why/why not? BioSC is highly defensive and started out quite passive, I find the heavy concern with how he's perceived quite suspicious. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
##Vote BioSC | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 15 2012 08:08 austinmcc wrote: What the actual f*** town? There are 3 remaining mafia. You realize that means that all 3 of them could have logged on FORTY EIGHT HOURS AGO, voted for one person with zero explanation, nothing at all, and then never logged on again during D2. That person would have been lynched. With 10 bodies in this game, we already let mafia control a lynch if they wanted to. That's absolutely ridiculous. If you don't have time for this, I'm asking you to replace out or ask to be modkilled. If you're mafia and lurking, great job there. If you're town and lurking, you are actively hurting town and ruining this game for the rest of town. If you don't have time to read, don't kill this game, because you can't be enjoying this. Sorry dark. Maybe I misread the votes...but wasn't it you, Tofu, and Mufaa who lynched the vanilla townie? WTF indeed. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 15 2012 09:18 FirmTofu wrote: I'm not mafia, so Anacletus is wrong in at least part of his guess. Seems legit. I'm buying this. @FirmTofu - I noticed your play style this game is much more guarded than in the last game, and you were less active in this one early on (busy in QT?). When rereading your filters from both, it seems to me you are trying to be pro-town without really putting yourself out in front. Last game you also made a suspicion list (most to least) yourself as Town, yet flip out when I do the same in this game. Care to comment on this change in gameplay? That accusation list must have taken a lot of effort, and looks pro-town, but how does it really help us? What did you unearth from that? Would you vote for BioSC? | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 15 2012 08:49 BioSC wrote: Calm down. There were obviously enough people who thought your case wasn't strong enough to vote for me. What is more concerning is the fact that there have been lurkers now for 2 voting cycles straight. @BioSC - What is your read on FirmTofu? I'm convinced one or both of you is mafia, so I would find your thoughts interesting. Also, other than that who would you vote for right now? | ||
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