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On May 17 2012 13:45 Anacletus wrote: And thank you for calling me a self-centered brat, I will be sure to compile this alongside the other ad hominem that I've receiced, like how my posts aren't worth reading, or how mafia writes my posts for me because I must be too stupid to write them myself. And this is getting off-topic, so I'll stop defending myself from baseless attacks now. [Hr] I'm leaving my vote where it is until I have substantial reason to do otherwise. ((Out of Game: Anacletus, it appears that you have taken offense to some posts in the thread. I can only speak for myself, but if my posts came across as aggressive and insulting to your character, I sincerely, truly, apologize for that. I never meant to attack anyone's character in this game, only their arguments. If you believed me to be attacking you, again, I am sorry for that. What I do NOT like, is people putting words into my mouth to make it seem like I am trying to insult people. I assume the posts you are referring to are these made by me. + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2012 10:51 BioSC wrote: @Analectus: Who did you get to write this for you? Seriously, this is night and day better than your first day posts. I would be proud of you, but for someone who's neck just came off the chopping block for crappy posts, this sure is an oddity, especially against me. I've given my reasons for shifting my vote, look through my filter for it. If your reason to vote for me is simply for NOT voting for you, then you need to look a bit deeper. NOWHERE did I say that you were too unintelligent to form your own posts. I was noting the vast difference in your posts from day 1 to now. Don't imply that I think you are unintelligent, when it simply isn't true. + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 03:57 BioSC wrote: Your posts aren't worth addressing anymore. Your case is bad and your responses in this post confirm to me you don't actually have any idea about why you are coming after me. I say here that I believe your arguments against me aren't worth addressing, because I felt like I answered them sufficiently to not warrant repeating myself. Don't imply that I haven't read your posts. I've read each and every post made by each person in this game. Once again, I'm sorry if my posts came across as insulting to your character. But please do not imply that I am a person that insults others over the internet. I believe I was raised better than that. /end Out of Game)) | ||
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1) He's a scum: After going most of the game completely untested by the town, the vig gets a miracle shot off on one of his teammates, and due to the links between him and Mufaa, combined with his position among the town, he decides to melt down and try to throw everyone off the radar of the last mafia, leaving 1 vs 6ish town. 2) He's a Townie: He's been called out since day one, had about 90% of the vote before getting saved by the lynch on BXE. Day 2, he shapes up his posting style, makes a case on me, which is largely ignored by the town at large. Day 3, combined with my constant pressure on his actions and even your admittance that you've been ignoring him, he melts down and decides that his lynch would allow the town to more completely focus on finding scum without him there to confuse us. Which do you feel is more likely? Honestly, 2) is seeming much more likely at this point, as hard as it is for me to say. The evidence against him is staggering, I feel, and it's obviously tough for me to admit that I'm wrong. Like you said yesterday, 1) seems like it is just so far down the rabbit hole that it makes no sense, especially for a newbie game. | ||
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On May 17 2012 13:38 FirmTofu wrote: Anacletus, you aren't helping my voting yourself and it isn't winning you any town points. It just makes you look like a self-centered brat that doesn't want to take the time to defend himself in the face of an accusation and then wants to go, "I told you so!" when you flip town. I want you to unvote yourself right now and start playing the game because you aren't contributing anything of value yet. BioSC has convinced me that he's mafia, I'd advise you to switch your vote back onto him. Mega-post incoming. Tofu: I've been pretty transparent in this day voting. If there is something you want me to address, go ahead and post it. I'm not worried about you making a case at me, I just want to address it and move on to actually finding scum. | ||
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I want to help you help yourself. If you are truly town like you say you are, help me believe you. Due to recent events, I can't commit my vote as I would like to. There are too many questions, and not enough answers. ##Unvote | ||
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On May 18 2012 04:18 austinmcc wrote: Bio, I read it as (2). I got called out for ignoring his posts before, rightfully so, and no, his filter wasn't as long or bad as I'd convinced myself it was. I read him town last night, and his self-vote feels legitimately frustrated to me. I wish he'd pop back in and give some thoughts on how the Mufaa flip alters his scumteam. Your unvote takes it to 2/2 on anac and I, with his 2nd vote coming in earlier. I don't like either of those options. So right now based on the way the votes are, I'm inclined to lynch into our more lurk-y players, and finally start to back up my requests with a rope. Something else I've thought about last night before I went to bed, was the possibility of us 4 discussing/bringing up topics in this day vote (You, Me, Tofu, Anacletus) are all Town, and that the remaining mafia members are the lurkers waiting to come in and swing vote whomever has the most votes at the time. With Tofu's case against me coming up, I highly suspect he will be voting for me, and possibly dragging Anacletus along with him. That would still leave you with the lynch, unless of course votes are swapped. Say you believe that us 4 are town. You've at least stated that you believe that You, FirmTofu, and Anacletus are town. If you had to lynch a lurker by your own definition, who reads as strongest scum to you? At this point, hitting a lurker feels more right to me, again, tough to say based on my own case against Ana. It's fine if you read me as scum. I want to prove to town that I'm not. My unvote I hope moves thought in that direction. I feel that if you believe me as scum, I have more to risk by unvoting Anacletus and discussing a lynch on lurkers more than if I kept with my vote on Ana. It's not something I'm completely 100% sold on, but I feel like the possibility of us 4 being all town needs to come up. | ||
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With regards to Tofu, I suppose I'm going to have to wait to see what the fuss is all about on this "Mega Post". I don't know why it's taken this long for someone to make the post about me, but it is what it is. If Tofu is set on his vote, and I can't convince him otherwise, I feel like my only option would be to look into a lurker lynch, or fall back to my original vote. I will look through the lurkers filters again as well, though I'm leaning towards Hyaach as being the scummiest lurker right now. His "suspicions" are simply just a fishnet as of now, with no real reasoning behind them. I'm going to try and see if there are any connections between the 3 lurkers and Mufaa, though as of right now the biggest connection between them is that they were all mostly low post count lurkers >.< | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:23 austinmcc wrote: And of course, in WIFOM-world, you chose the guy who's in a time zone that would mean he's asleep during this time period. We can be almost certain that he's not coming back in to defend himself. So I'd like to see some more reasoning from you on why you like him over the other two, especially if Tofu is still working on some post about how he's convinced that you're scum. Fair enough. My decision to FoS him was not his timezone. Honestly I didn't even know where he lived, all I knew was that his posts were generally not helpful and really focused on Anacletus. Does that make him scum to me? Well, if I said yes, it sure would look bad for me as well. The reason I find him scummy right now is that he was so completely focused on Anacletus, up until his vote for you Day 3. + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 20:39 Hyaach wrote: ##vote Austinmcc i read through mufaa's filter. he was already listing Austinmcc as the least scummy people in his list from day one. With every other post to either push vote on people or directe FoS onto someone whose not Austinmcc/Unforgiven_ Hell, he even forgot him in his list. Has quite a few post that go along with austinmcc's flow of questioning Austinmcc has led two wrong mislynch. yes this may not be a good reason but its two townies dead. Says he has a town read on FirmTofu. I cant figure this part out. It maybe a trap eitherway. Mufaa was placing FirmTofu as the second least suspicious. Both him and Mufaa has stated times and again that Anac is a bad townie. But I can't seem to link them three together. And i'm actually inclined to believe now that Anac is really a bad townie.  My mafia team right now is Mufaa Austinmcc and Unforgiven_ His reasoning is based on Mufaa's list from back in Day 1. Back then, Mufaa had you at the lowest of his tell list. I think he is trying to use that to push votes onto you. Another thing that I find completely out of place is his sudden switch from tunneling Anacletus, to not even having him on the scum list. There's no reasoning behind it. His posts day 1 and 2 were all about Ana, yet Day 3 when posting his scumteam, Ana's not on it? Very suspicious. Finally, his posts in between pressuring Ana and the Day 3 vote are more useless fluff posts, like these: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 12:20 Hyaach wrote: bad play town bad play. I was asleep from my last post to now. Going to read what happened inbetween. + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2012 02:38 Hyaach wrote: Hello people. Are we all dead yet? What are everyone's thoughts from last night? + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2012 19:55 Hyaach wrote: Well i guess the night wasn't for naught. Going to look through mufaa's filter. In case anyone was wondering, I was suspicious of dahdum before this. Obviously I was wrong i guess. Completely non-committal and useless posts, nothing relatively helpful to town and fluff posts just so he won't get modkilled. | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:51 austinmcc wrote: I don't like those as "fluff" though. He's not really filling a filter to make himself look active, there's no intent on his part to do anything other than be modkilled. Gah. Also, i SWORE there was some post from him about his location saying Singapore but him being in ... Germany? Did I entirely make that up? Anyone remember that from any player? I don't know. I vaguley recall something like that, but it's not in his filter. To me, it's a relative term. Fluff for someone like him is a simple one-line post that doesn't contribute anything to the conversation going on at the time. The majority of his small filter is like that. | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:44 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Dammit, i was writing a large post and power went out -.-. let me summarize Hyaach: you can see on Mufaa's filter that he did not attacked me because i was the first telling i was suspicions on him. I belive he did this because he didnt wanted to attrack more attention to him form the people who had a FoS on him. I think this is a normal play by a mafia. Besides this one argument i would like to know another reasons to suspect me (like austin strangely said, maybe to start some new bandwagon?) The reason we are calling you out is because of your post count/content. Lately it seems like there are 3 people who pop on to post their required 1 vote a day then log off and not contribute. Can you see how that would come across as suspicious? Also, I would like to know what prompted this from you + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 03:11 Unforgiven_ve wrote: i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game. does that bother you austin? im not taking any chances now ##Vote austinmcc When you didn't have him on your list at the beginning of the game. Here is your first list of scumreads: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 00:21 Unforgiven_ve wrote: I have a couple reads taking some shape. My four main suspects so far are, Anacletus(for obvious reasons), Mufaa (being very passive, maybe i dont belive his works excuses), Shaopi (super active at first, then just defending his BIG list and a couple post naming Broodking) and Jailbraker (2 post, whitout much information, everybody already posted and im still waiting, and and being under the radar in general) Im gonna wait a couple more hours to cast my vote, i want to see if everyone goes active and chatty and the end of the day What are you trying to say here? Why is there a blatant contradiction? Why, when looking through your filter, you seem to post that you suspect everyone in the game, but not offer any real information up? | ||
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Anacletus: I know you are feeling pretty helpless right now, but the best thing you could do right now is to get on and actually contribute. Read my last few posts directed to you and get on. Some contribution from you is better than a /suicide in this game. I feel like we are missing someone's vote, whom hasn't voted yet? | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:14 Unforgiven_ve wrote: 1.) + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2012 06:02 BioSC wrote: The reason we are calling you out is because of your post count/content. Lately it seems like there are 3 people who pop on to post their required 1 vote a day then log off and not contribute. Can you see how that would come across as suspicious? Also, I would like to know what prompted this from you + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2012 03:11 Unforgiven_ve wrote: i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game. does that bother you austin? im not taking any chances now ##Vote austinmcc When you didn't have him on your list at the beginning of the game. Here is your first list of scumreads: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 00:21 Unforgiven_ve wrote: I have a couple reads taking some shape. My four main suspects so far are, Anacletus(for obvious reasons), Mufaa (being very passive, maybe i dont belive his works excuses), Shaopi (super active at first, then just defending his BIG list and a couple post naming Broodking) and Jailbraker (2 post, whitout much information, everybody already posted and im still waiting, and and being under the radar in general) Im gonna wait a couple more hours to cast my vote, i want to see if everyone goes active and chatty and the end of the day What are you trying to say here? Why is there a blatant contradiction? Why, when looking through your filter, you seem to post that you suspect everyone in the game, but not offer any real information up? You said it? AT THE BEGGINING of the game, please, dont quote if you are not gonna read all the filter and take it out of context, i clearly said: 2.) + Show Spoiler + Why, when looking through your filter, you seem to post that you suspect everyone in the game, but not offer any real information up? My response, something i have alrewady posted too. : ALL of us just hadn't much information, just now we have a few things to base our cases, as i just said, i was (hardly) writign a big post and the fxxing power went out. Unforgiven's post. I'm taking nothing out of context. I'm reading what YOU said, which is that: On May 17 2012 03:11 Unforgiven_ve wrote: i knew it!!! i was right since the beggining of the game. does that bother you austin? im not taking any chances now ##Vote austinmcc Now, I looked through your filter, trust me. I found both of those posts. The post YOU linked/quoted: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=21#406 I found that on page 21 of the thread. Want to know where I found the quote I did? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=10#199 Page 10. You tell me what post would be closer to "The beginning of the game" My question still stands. What are you trying to say with that quote, and WHY is there a contradiction? To your second half of your post: We need reads from you. You've offered next to nothing. Making reads and sharing them with town is how the town figures out who is/isn't scum. Care to make a read on someone? Why is Austin your #1, when "At the beginning of the game" you didn't suspect him, contradicting your claim to the post you made earlier in the day? | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:40 Unforgiven_ve wrote: BioSC: in case you are refering to this sole line i meant about the GOLDEN night kill from our vigilante, i just got exited i guess lol Yes. I wanted to know why you instantly went to austin, when it was heavily implied that you suspected him from the start of the game, which as I pointed out wasn't true. | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:19 Crossfire99 wrote: Anacletus, do you just not care at all in this game? If you are in this thread this close to the deadline, I want some input from you. What is your take on everything discussed? Why shouldn't we vote you for lurking? | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:52 Unforgiven_ve wrote: If ana or austin turns townie, im fucked. i dont have any good read on anyone else yet. That's our point. I realized this yesterday night, that it's possible that I'm completely wrong with my leads and that we need to focus on finding someone with the highest possibility of being scum. Which is why we wanted you and the other people who don't post all that much to come in and contribute thoughts, so we can try to come up with the best lynch. THAT is why people were calling you out. It's not scummy to post thoughts, It's scummy and overall bad play to just sit back and watch townies get lynched without saying anything. | ||
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At this point, I'm pretty convinced that a lurker lynch would be the best course today. We've got Unforgiven to contribute, which is nice. Not that it removes all suspicion off of him, but it's at least a start. Crossfire: Are you locked in on your Anacletus vote? What of the other lurker as of today, Hyaach? Anacletus: Are you committing suicide in the night phase regardless of the vote today? If so, I don't want to risk lynching a townie if you are just going to /out in the night Austin: Are you confident in your read on the lurkers? Even if I believed you, we would need at least one more vote to secure a lynch. | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:57 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Do you swear on Jim Raynor's life you are townie? lol That's the thing, if any of us dies, its GG. Mafia vs Lurkers. I see you/bio are the ones really pushing people. pd: this just came to my mind, what if you to are the 2 mafia? Classic ending day swap? pd2: i just have 10 more minutes, then i have to go out and do some stuff. Make me change my mind, we still have a chance, why is there no possibility of you and bio are mafia? I can swear on whatever you want, at the end of the day, its what I know from my PM and what people's perceptions of me are. I know I'm town, and I've stayed that way since day 1. This morning, I removed my unvote from Anacletus to try and get him to contribute, but it obviously hasn't worked. If I was scum, why would I need to put my neck out? I had the majority against him at the time, even if he switched off himself and onto me at the deadline. If I were scum, why would I do that? I want to prove I'm town, and if it means I have to admit I might be wrong about Anacletus, then so be it. My read is that Austin is town, barely. He has been rather unlucky in his cases, but has made valid points that more than just mafia have been convinced by. | ||
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On May 18 2012 07:13 austinmcc wrote: Leaving work and driving home now. Should be back with ~30 minutes to deadline. Fair enough. At this point, there would be 3 votes for Hyacch should I go with my instinct and vote him. I note your observation about the amount of content posted and when. Either way Hyacch flips, it will be an interesting discussion come night/day 4. I am also interested in what FirmTofu had to say about me, and what he gathered from my filter, if only to get a read from him off of it. For now, I'm going to go with my gut choice, and put my vote towards Hyaach. ##Vote Hyaach | ||
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All I can do now is defend myself against Firm's case. Hopefully it's enough to sway enough people towards not lynching me, but it may be too late for that. I'm off for the night, good luck to the rest of town. To the medic, if we have one, protect the one you believe that is on the most correct path. | ||
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