EPTThank you for this awesome post. What a truly remarkable case you have made. This clearly proves everything that has been going on in the game, and explains every possible outcome too. I'm not even going to try to be serious with you.
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Thank you for this awesome post. What a truly remarkable case you have made. This clearly proves everything that has been going on in the game, and explains every possible outcome too. I'm not even going to try to be serious with you. | ||
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On May 07 2012 15:50 syllogism wrote: I guess it's somewhat less likely for ceph to make that argument if they are team mates, just so he doesn't look silly after the game is over. Sandroba being on their team makes some sense, though I don't quite understand why mafia sheth would suicide like that if he isn't on the same team as ceph/bc. Brilliant, you can still play town after all. Now try to look more and more objectively little by little, I still have faith in you. FYI, I'm still not mafia. | ||
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On May 07 2012 16:25 syllogism wrote: Now that you are not in danger of being lynched today, I'm sure you will spend the day scum hunting and making cases. Possibly. If you personally guarantee that you will take a look at them objectively, I am fairly sure I can share a read or two with detailed backup, maybe even a case. | ||
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On May 07 2012 16:34 wherebugsgo wrote: what the fuck kind of guarantee is that if you're town you'll scumhunt, if you're anything else you'll continue to be a useless prick I didn't ask for your opinion did I? | ||
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On May 07 2012 16:36 wherebugsgo wrote: who cares? It's not like your town play has suddenly morphed into you being a complete ass, this is absurd. No townie would make such conditionals on his play unless he purposely was playing against his wincon. Your wincondition is to find scum and kill them if you're town. If you're making these types of conditional statements as town I honestly see no reason to ever play with you again So explain me why I should even bother to make a public case to convince anyone if the reaction I get is "Insert random herpderp.gif + /IGNORE LIST SCUM LOL"? There are several ways to play towards ones wincondition, so stop bitching about that. It's not like one way is magically the most optimal in every case. At the moment I do not see a single reason why I should take any advice from you during this game. @ syllo: Very well, I'll PM you later. | ||
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On May 07 2012 18:23 Palmar wrote: cephiro just shut the fuck up, you're really annoying. Oh king, make me with your influence. Maybe you'll manage to get me quiet after 3 more days?  | ||
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On May 07 2012 17:59 wherebugsgo wrote: "why should I bother making a case" if you're town the answer to that question should be fucking clear as day Not to mention you haven't even made a case to begin with, so I have no clue where you're getting this "insert random herpderp.gif" bullshit from although it is fun to watch you flail. It's probably the only reason I can't resist replying to your pathetic posts I see you lack basic reading comprehension. 1) You forgot the part after "if" 2) From yours truly, do I need to quote that specific posts? 3) Lol, keep trying... | ||
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On May 07 2012 21:20 prplhz wrote: Word EchelonTee. Alright, 5 guys in the majority we want to save so lets vote like this: Cephiro EchelonTee (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) Palmar (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) prplhz (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) sandroba wherebugsgo (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) chaoser gonzaw (2 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) Katina (1 gonzaw, 2 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh, 1 syllogism) Liquid`Sheth Meapak_Ziphh Mr. Wiggles (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 2 slOosh, 1 syllogism) slOosh (1 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 2 syllogism) syllogism (2 gonzaw, 1 Katina, 1 Mr. Wiggles, 1 slOosh) Which gives us these votes in majority: chaoser 0 gonzaw 9 Katina 9 Liquid`Sheth 0 Meapak_Ziphh 0 Mr. Wiggles 9 slOosh 9 syllogism 9 Unaccounted for: Cephiro, sandroba, chaoser, Liquid`Sheth, Meapak_Ziphh The 2 person scum team can't save the scum in the minority and the three person scum team will have to seriously out themselves to do that. I mean it's just taking out 3 players and nothing else but I think it looks worth it. Even if the two scum teams join up, they only have 25 votes and 3 people in the majority so they can't fuck everything up and what they can fuck up comes at a great cost of outing themselves. If some of these reads are wrong then any other townie, minority or majority, should just split his votes evenly over the greens in the majority. This is really just a plan with the purpose of killing 3 people, there's probably not much else to get from it. So what about it? Lol for suggesting a plan according to your reads, I'm very sure that you figured the remaining 5 scum out already. And you're cocky enough to go for a 3-kill at once? So naive.... You do realize how easy it would be even for me as a townie to mess that up just to piss you off, or if I felt you were scum? | ||
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On May 08 2012 00:12 syllogism wrote: You don't seriously buy a claim from trolling mafia? How does it make sense at all for him to play survivor like that? Seems to me you are only believing it because it fits your agenda 1) I am still not mafia 2) We all have our own playstyles 3) Please do tell me your opinion of the setup, you think only one mafia faction has kp, or that the other kp has been blocked every night, or that one of the factions have refused to use it? Pssh... | ||
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On May 08 2012 00:40 syllogism wrote: Palmar implied that cephiro claimed that he is a survivor with kp, which he sort of did with his jackpot comment. Anyway, you are still building our strategy around an unlikely scenario. We've our own theories as to why there has been only one KP every night and they seem more likely than there being a survivor who can basically claim on day 1 and then just tell town to direct his KP So please tell me, how would I be sure I possess the only KP in the game during D1? | ||
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On May 08 2012 04:13 slOosh wrote: @gonzaw My reads (from PM w/ WBG). That scumslip that Syllo caught is also a heavy tell as he bashes Palmer for a good 2~3 pages of his filter and would still consider him town. Lol what? You think I think Palmar is town? Couldn't be more wrong. His whole filter is a bunch of bullshit worse than mine. On May 08 2012 04:13 gonzaw wrote: Cephiro is already "outed" as scum, he has no risk whatsoever on giving Sheth/chaoser/Meapak votes, yet he has a tremendous gain since he single-handily decides the lynch. If I only really was scum... but I'm liking all the power I have as a single townie compared to your awesome co-operation plans! Original Message From Liquid`Sheth: Don't put any votes on me. It'll just make you look worse. Even though I am town. So if you wanted to put 5 on me it could make you look good as thats what I'll flip. I leave it up to you and I wish you well in this stupid game. As per Sheth's own request, I will not put any votes on him. Do what you wish with this information. I will try to answer the PMs I've got as soon as possible. | ||
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On May 08 2012 10:28 wherebugsgo wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yZHST.gif) I love how you call me ignorant and trollish when you and your buddies do even more blantant bullshit yourselves. ^^ But hey, it's not like everyone knows how to play right? I mean, you clearly think you're right in me being scum... just lol. Just the way you ignored VE. Oh wait, he was town, you were wrong. :x Daamn right. You wish you had my powers, but you'll never gain em. > | ||
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Also ty Sheth, sorry you had to die!  | ||
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On May 08 2012 12:26 gonzaw wrote: At least I was right that Cephiro would try to determine the lynch by his own You're hilarious. Although you are right in one sense which I'm surprised people haven't still realised. If the majority tries to work together, all it requires is one weak link and the results can be controlled to almost any extent by the minority. Basically, the more you all agree to vote in unison, the more powerful my votes are in deciding whom is left last. Unless I fall to majority myself, to a certain degree I'm having the final word in what happens. | ||
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On May 08 2012 13:20 wherebugsgo wrote: In other words, you're the reason Sheth died. Do you even read your own fucking posts? Yes I do. And I know very well that "the final decision" was in my hands. The fun thing here is, no-one else but me is ready to take responsibility for the actions of town. You wanted Sheth dead, I didn't mess it up, so now you can go all out tunnelling that I was the one that caused his death. Well guess what, if you had wanted to save him, you could have just voted for him, but no, you all working together wanted him to die. That is a fact. Now if there are any players left but me that are capable of thinking for themselves instead of being led by these scumbags, I'd recommend you to take a closer look at the players who pushed for VE & Sheth to be killed. BC was simply a bus by his teammates as it was the general consensus that he would die, trying to save him would have been much more risky. What they tried instead was buddy with a bad looking townie (me), and try to take me down, counting on getting votes from me. And even in the case that failed, I would look bad for trying to save a scum. | ||
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On May 08 2012 13:28 wherebugsgo wrote: I suppose I should've just gambled and told gonzaw to vote sheth (since cephiro wouldn't) but that would've been rash and if I was right about meapak and as cephiro voted chaoser, it would've resulted in meapak dying (same result if meapak is town) So you clearly have knowledge and control of the vote situation, but you refuse to take any responsibility? I say not a coward town, I say scum. | ||
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On May 08 2012 13:31 wherebugsgo wrote: you still can't read apparently. So you admit that you wanted to kill more townies again? Not the first time. Let's assume we lynched all three of them and one turned out to be scum. 2 for 1. Current player ratio: 8:3:2. You do realize we can't keep doing such trades, as the town will just lose more and more of the little power we have if we do that? Assuming we managed to lynch all three and got 1 scum: 6:2:2 in optimal scenario. 6:3:1 in the worse one. If it went to 6:2:2, both scumteams could constantly vote 1:1. Which means: Min/Max 2:4 - Town 1:1 - Scum A 1:1 - Scum B 50 total votes, 50/6 rounded up = 9 votes for safety. Town has 30 votes available to divide between 4 players, effecively 7,5 votes per player, which is not enough to save anyone for sure. Doing an optimal split we would get 8/8/7/7 as the possible high risk, high reward situation, as no-one is safe but unless the scum votes line up perfectly it should have everyone safe. Worst case, two more town down. With a safe split of 9/9/9/3, at least 3 town will be safe for sure, but one is basically guaranteed to die. What I am saying is, we can't afford to lose multiple townies as soon even with optimal voting we are not guaranteed to be able to lynch scum. Then we are very close to having lost the game. Of course, the scum factions have to eliminate each other still, which gives us slightly more room for mistakes, but doing mass-lynches at this time would be suicidal. | ||
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Most likely town will be down one more player tomorrow. | ||
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