On May 04 2012 18:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, now that we've gone there:

why is it that in PMs you did not deny that you were a vig, but when you are asked in-thread you point me back to that post?

Why would an townie ever want to mislead possible scum of a power role target? Yeah... think about it.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 04 2012 09:16 GMT

#825

On May 04 2012 05:17 slOosh wrote:
VisceraEyes: 4 - (Cephiro 4) <--- Who was sticking up to VE when scum wanted him dead?

Votes from Majority
Cephiro: 11 - (chaoser 4, Sheth 4, Radfield 2, Meapak 1) <--- By far the most, now think for a moment how many scum were likely in the minority during D1.
MrWiggles: 5 - (EchelonTee 2, gonzaw 1, prplhz 1, sandroba 1)
Meapak_Ziphh: 5 - (EchelonTee 2, chaoser 1, Mr. Wiggles 1, Sheth 1)
EchelonTee: 5 - (Mr. Wiggles 2, Cephiro 1, Meapak 1, sandroba 1)
Chaoser: 5 - (Meapak 2, EchelonTee 1, Mr. Wiggles 1, sandroba 1)
Liquid`Sheth: 1 - (Meapak 1)
Radfield: 3 - (Mr. Wiggles 1, prplhz 1, sandroba 1)
Prplhz: 4 - (Radfield 3, sandroba 1)
Sandroba: 5 - (VisceraEyes 5)
VisceraEyes: 4 - (Cephiro 4)

Votes from Minority
Cephiro: 2 - (Ace 2) <--- Oh, and the only one from majority that voted for me was a TOWNIE.
MrWiggles: 9 - (Katina 3, syllogism 2, wherebugsgo 2, gonzaw 1, Palmar 1)
Meapak_Ziphh: 6 - (Ace 2, Katina 2, Palmar 1, syllogism 1)
EchelonTee: 5 - (gonzaw 2, wherebugsgo 2, Palmar 1)
Chaoser: 4 - (Foolishness 3, BloodyC0bbler 1)
Liquid`Sheth: 7 - (BloodyC0bbler 4, Foolishness 2, Ace 1)
Radfield: 5 - (gonzaw 2, syllogism 2, Palmar 1)
Prplhz: 2 - (Palmar 1, wherebugsgo 1)
Sandroba: 0 - (n/a)
VisceraEyes: 0 - (n/a)

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 04 2012 09:20 GMT

#827

On May 04 2012 18:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
Oddly enough, you never called the person in question scum.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llgp6l679Z1qj60veo1_500.gif

anyway, back to my ignore list you go, scummy scum scum.

Oddly enough, townies only know their own alignment for sure unless they have a power such of a DT.

If you manage to somehow get me killed today, then for the love of all that is living, kill wbg as the first thing you do. (The real vig could do the job <3).

If two townies dead accused scum by the same player (wbg), aren't enough to convince you, then I'll start playing mafia somewhere else because you're goddamn horrible.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 04 2012 11:03 GMT

#833

On May 04 2012 18:54 Palmar wrote:
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I appriciate your piece of art. <3 Love the finnish windowflag. Fact is, if you ever manage to kill me, I'm first going to laugh like hell when I flip town, then cry for how pathetic you've played.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 04 2012 11:33 GMT

#837

Do you think I'd play this "badly" if I were scum? Yeah sure. Also, why are you putting words in my mouth? Does somewhere in that post say Palmar is town?

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 05 2012 05:44 GMT

#918

Overslept by one hour, missed the vote. Sorry! ^^

One down, five more to go.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 05 2012 05:50 GMT

#919

Also, considering I am town, it's kind of ironic that scum votes saved me. Talk about having a hard time to kill a townie, shouldn't usually be that hard...

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 06 2012 04:37 GMT

#954

Because I shot him ofc.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 06 2012 05:26 GMT

#959

Or mafia has no kp and it's a townie doing the shots. Just sayin...

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 06 2012 05:41 GMT

#962

On May 06 2012 14:28 slOosh wrote:
Oh. I suppose a 3rd party w/ 1KP playing survivor is possible. Yea that makes more sense than town vig with multiple shots hitting townies / multiple vigs.

Jackpot. We have a winner.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 06 2012 19:58 GMT

#982

Is there any request for PM logs? I could post some/all of mine, and most of VE's as well.

I think everyone should note that the 1 KP survivor holds a lot of power in this game, as he survives with any faction, and he appareantly has the only KP, so he's fine with co-operating with any faction as long as they keep him alive, and the only KP in the game gets you quite far....

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 06 2012 21:10 GMT

#985

On May 07 2012 05:55 Palmar wrote:
Including a 1kp survivor and giving the mafia no KP, given that the survivor can easily side with town, controlling the only KP in the game is basically not balanced.

The simple solution is that you're scum

Too bad life is not always that simple, and you're once again wrong.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 06 2012 21:13 GMT

#986

On May 07 2012 05:40 slOosh wrote:
Speaking pure hypotheticals don't do anything for us. Could you post any logs you had with Ace / BC?

As requested:

Original Message From Ace:
sounds like a very good theory for life!

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Original Message From Ace:
chaoser seems more useful than the other 2.

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BC:

Original Message From BloodyC0bbler:
Eh, people do random things all the time. Is it unlikely that if chaoser is mafia that he is on the same team as syllo/palmar is either is red. Yes, but its not a certainty. In a setup like this manipulation and creating a strong stance/distance will be needed to keep members of a team alive. It all comes down to the individual player and given the lineup of this game I expect that anything could happen given the players.

on a slightly different note I will be watching everyone who makes "town hunting" or the like comments intently. In this setup town should be more worried about finding mafia. Mafia has more interest in clearing who is and isn't town as they have direct competition with another faction. I feel this is one of the more safe ways to catch reds at this point in time.

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Original Message From Cephiro:
Okay, thanks for your opinion.

-About Gonzaw: Yeah, I shouldn't get so worked up but considering the possibility that he is town makes me just want to bang my head against the wall. Maybe I should try to take it easy and try to look at it from a 3rd person perspective better if he keeps it up.

I am having a hard time believing that Palmar and syllo would both be scum, but at the moment I am considering a scenario like this: Syllo scum, managed to team up w/ Palmar, and as he is servant, it is easy for him to back up any suspicious posts by "Order of the King". Effectively being in charge of multiple things but being able to avoid the blame.

I am still a bit unsure on chaoser, but I asked your opinion because I've felt that everything doesn't seem to be right. With the early strong stance against Palmar, I am thinking it's a golden opportunity for the opposing mafia to push strongly, as if they succeed, it's one or even multiple townies/scum members of the other team down, and doesn't really give much of a risk, as any plan involved with one ruler is somewhat easy to oppose from a legit viewpoint.

I was thinking even that a bus could be possible, but I just can't see chaoser being on the same team with either Palmar or syllo, unless they're town.

Original Message From BloodyC0bbler:
Palmar and syllo buddying instantly is odd as hell to my senses but syllo is known for auto buddying his friends. I dislike the relationship purely because anyone could fool someone and with the plan they were pushing I get the feeling one of them is off.

Chaoser is weird. He has some posts that feel extremely townlike, others that feel extremely mafia like. It is day 1 and a game with two families so this is something to consider when I evaluate people. However nothing these 3 players have done has inspired any sense of confidence in their presumed innocence.

As for gonzaw just ignore him. Guy had a reason to suspect you, then just continued to push the same point basically in different ways hoping for a different result. Don't get so worked up about random poor pressuring. If he continues it I would say he has some ulterior motive, but if he stops he is prob just bad at making cases.

Original Message From Cephiro:
Instant townie points for your latest post. You addressed it much better than I did.

If you got the time, could you give me opinions on the relations between Palmar, syllo and chaoser?

Also, if you can be bothered to read through the shitstorm, does it look to you that gonzaw is actually trying to make a proper case on me or is just trying to make me bad and set me up?

Hoping to get a reply soon, thanks anyways.

I would say there are others that are of more interest though.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 06 2012 22:08 GMT

#988

Why should I? No-one has requested them.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 07 2012 03:26 GMT

#1008

On May 07 2012 12:09 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Pretty sure the pressure to show that we aren't scum is on all of us.

Maybe in a normal game, but with Palmar + syllo + wbg as the "confirmed townies", they decide what to do. :p

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 07 2012 04:32 GMT

#1024

Why you people hatin on everyone that's not kissing the asses of our kings?

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 07 2012 04:38 GMT

#1025

On May 07 2012 13:27 gonzaw wrote:
Whatever I'm not gonna argue with you, it's obvious you are just dodging the issue

Indeed, you'll just come back with 10 fluff posts asking the same questions over and over again a few minutes after.

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 07 2012 05:49 GMT

#1031

On May 07 2012 14:38 syllogism wrote:
Also if cephiro/sheth is what remains of your team and it looks like sheth is going to get lynched by the end of the day, you shouldn't bother trying to save him as in that case the game is unwinnable for your team and you are at best just delaying the inevitable.

1) Game is not unwinnable for scum until all of them are killed.
2) If BC&Me&Sheth was a full mafia team, do you really think we would be stupid enough to vote for each other in narrow situations? I think everyone in this game should have the brains for not outing their whole scumteam unless it's some sort of endgame gamble which could end up winning them the game.
3) Explain me why it looks like Sheth is going to get lynched?

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 07 2012 05:51 GMT

#1032

On May 02 2012 03:01 Palmar wrote:
I'm fine with killing you today, and I have the influence to get it done.

Quoted for the hilarity, that influence of yours is incredible, trying to get me killed during D1, and you aren't even close of being able to do that at D3? :D

Cephiro

Finland1934 Posts

May 07 2012 05:56 GMT

#1034

On May 07 2012 14:55 syllogism wrote:
Don't use the "do you really think we are stupid enough" defense unless you want me to answer that and present evidence as to why that may be the case.

Please do present evidence as to why that may be the case.