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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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syllogism
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EchelonTee
United States5249 Posts
On May 03 2012 12:23 gonzaw wrote: I don't get why a scumteam would even try to kill Ace. Maybe they thought he was from the other scum team or something. Okay people, since people's been ignoring my plan since I posted, here it goes: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034¤tpage=15#297 Here's my first vote: ##Vote: Cephiro I will vote for other people as the day goes on I suggest you guys do the same so we can organize Round A voting better, just like in D1, but without Palmar alone deciding who's in the minority or not. We can't organize a plan like this; people who are under suspicions are just going to put them selves in the minority if we as a group decide that XYZ should be in minority. Our only reasonable option is RNG; probability dictates that some scum will end up in there, and we can work from there. This is such a bad plan that it hurts. The point of RNG is randomness; if people PM you the votes, and there is at all anyleak, then scum have all the info to do as they please. Why would you even suggest this??? On May 04 2012 02:19 syllogism wrote: Very cute Meapak, let me guess, you are "trapping here". I know you are smarter than to actually believe I'm mafia, so that leaves just one alternative How has nobody brought more attention to this?? MZ and syllo are directly accusing each other of being scum, with MZ doing some trap crap or something, no one has any thoughts on this? | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
My current read on Cephiro is that he's bad town. Most of the things he says I see as being wrong or scummy, but he's very stubborn and how he expresses himself makes me think he actually believes what he's saying. So, this lends me to thinking that he's just bad town, because of his conviction in what he's saying. I somewhat formed this read after I argued with him a little. That's why I asked if anyone was voting him on Day 1. As for BC, I'm still waiting on him to come out with something, just like Sandroba and prplhz. Based on his complete lack of contribution before, I was leaning scum on him. He's come back now though, it seems, so I'm waiting to see what he does. I'll give a better read later on. prplhz: If you want to talk about something, why don't you answer my questions? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Do whatever you please with this information. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On May 04 2012 07:00 sandroba wrote: It actually doesn't matter what I post in this tread. I made my suspicons clear and it doesn't matter how much I "explain" myself here. People are still dumb enough to think I'm mafia when evidence to the contrary is thrown in their faces. I'll do my best to get into minority so jubjubs + scum can't kill me. Then we proceed to kill sheth/mz/bc. i don't get this the case on you is that you are not contributing, and that this is in contrast to your meta your excuse is a little odd!, while people would usually say "it's because i have too little spare time" you're actually saying "i've decided to do something else because i've got a lot of spare time" might very well be true!... but i'm still a little worried as you might understand. i thought it was weird that you'd vote for me as scum when i was looking to get no votes but that was before i read the thread and now it looks like a couple of people vouched to vote me before deadline so you already know i probably wasn't dying. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On May 04 2012 06:50 Palmar wrote: you guys, I'm just gonna announce right now that I'll be voting "No". Do whatever you please with this information. gonna put it on a tshirt and make billions | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
No I will not go back and go through the order of PMs. That would take hours and yield next to no information at all. I'd much rather not waste my time doing that (there's like 8 pages worth of PMs from this game in my inbox already) The reason Radfield thought there were 6 votes on prpl was because I messed up and shifted votes that were actually on Cephiro over one column, so it appeared that prpl had 4 votes more than he actually did. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5249 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:22 prplhz wrote: hey i have some pms with radfield and now that he's gone i thought i'd just post them 'cause even sloosh seems confused i also asked radfield why he voted for me but he didn't answer (before he /out'ed) so i'm not gonna post those + Show Spoiler [pms with RADFIELD] + Original Message From Radfield: I don't know what you signed up for either, so lets figure it out  I'm just thinking that given the unwillingness of town right to work together right now, I see no reason for them to be willing to co-operate in round 2. So we need to gather up townies who are willing to work together, and use our votes in an intelligent fashion. If everyone is just helter skelter voting in round 2, mafia have already won. subject was "you know i am" and it was in response to his post where he asked people to pm him if they wanted to cooperate. also i + Show Spoiler [stumbled upon this] + On May 01 2012 09:24 chaoser wrote: here, let me ask a question to you radfield. What's the difference between people in the minority and the majority? Minority can't die right? Why would you take away a threat to a player like that? It makes no sense. If you have a system in place to make it so that round 2 proceeds in an orderly manner then everything works out perfectly. I sent this to WBG already but I'll post it here as well. for round two, it's based on whoever has the lowest points will be lynched right? so I was thinking of basing it on a gradient system. Most scummy, no points. We then have the rest pass points in a system following the player order. so lets say it's like 5 people in the majority and 1 person in the minority. that's 25 points. lets say we think a is mafia. so the players are a, b, c, d, e, f we think f is townie so he's in minority cause we need one. we move onto round 2. b gives all his points to c, c gives all his points to d, d gives to e, e gives to b. If we all circle then a will have zero points. even if mafia was trying to save a, the two teams members would have to give 6 points total to save him. Because of the circle system, there's no way a can make back the deficient with his 5 points for both his teammates; one of his teammates will be adjacent to someone without 5 votes. That person is also mafia then. f will be giving his votes, spread as evenly as possible, into the crowd of b, c, d, e. If things look wrong then f is suspicious. WBG suggested to me that we do it so that everyone only cycles 4 votes and they give their one vote to whomever they want so that accountability would be an element and I agree. There's no way a would be able to get out of this situation unless his teammates out themselves. and thought i'd comment even though it's old if there's only 1 guy in minority then at least 2 of any scum team is in majority. say A is mafia but so is his mate, C. so A trades 4 votes to D so that they're not missing, C trades his 4 votes that was meant for D to A and now everybody has 4 votes, which is clearly not desirable. now people are going to die unless they get more votes and with a 1 person minority that's somewhat unlikely to happen. if chaoser had only suggested the 5 votes vote circle then we would have been even more screwed, everybody would die except the people F decided to trade and F himself. in short, this strategy is broken/crazy isn't it? or did i miss something i'm bad with plans. it seems like it only appears to be working because he chose a rather small example, with 17 player majority and 1 player minority this strategy would be crazy. with 10/8 i'm a little unsure why it would be desirable to take so much accountability and power away from majority and give it to minority, when you are the same time don't want to try to implement a plan that would make it more likely that the minority was mostly town aligned. seems like a 10/8 split would kind of ruin the idea of circle trading since everybody would die if A has a scum buddy in the minority is there any voting plan for round A today? i'm catching up! PMs with radfield don't really say anything except "we need to get town to co-operate!" Do you have any conclusions to make from that small subset of PMs? What are you suggesting about chaoser's plan? That it's a way for a massive town death cycle? That doesn't make sense, because one person is supposed to be left behind with 0 votes, and each person has 1 vote left in reserve to be able to make sure that townie towns don't die. What kind of conclusion are you trying to make by talking about this? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
i don't know what my conclusion is, i'm asking you if i'm seeing this right but nobody is answering so i guess it's irrelevant at best. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5249 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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chaoser
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
Syllo & chaoser please reply to my PMs. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 04 2012 10:15 Cephiro wrote: Flipped a coin and sent in my vote. Syllo & chaoser please reply to my PMs. I just did | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
What do you think of Cephiro and other players? Could you give more reasoning why you think (or thought) Katina is scum? @sloosh: Please hurry up with those reads of yours. On May 04 2012 06:12 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Heyo, So I figured I'll reveal what I told syllo in Pm's a bit ago. Whenever I was mafia with Gonzaw in a newbie game a while back he was just always raging and mad and just very angry. I think Gonzaw started off with that sort of thing with his oppinions against Cephiro. So that was why I thought there was a chance hes mafia. I haven't been reading too too closely, but the fact that Cephiro put 4 votes on VE makes him look a small percentage better. Cephiro is still probably one of my top candidates for being town. As for being mafia I'm really unsure other then Gonzaw. Syllo scares me, and I scare him so I suppose there could be something there. I sent in my vote for YES again. Just because I don't know when I'll be able to check everything again. We were mafia together just once in my first game. And believe me, I get frustrated easily as town. Without taking that into account, why else do you think I'm scum? | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On May 04 2012 10:33 gonzaw wrote: We were mafia together just once in my first game. And believe me, I get frustrated easily as town. Without taking that into account, why else do you think I'm scum? Because if anyone, you should know that after playing together that one game, we share an eternal bond. Because you clearly know I'm scum due to my meta, I know Sheth is town due to his meta, Sheth knows you are scum due to your meta and I know you are scum due to your meta. Amidointhisrite? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
Don't completely devolve while I'm gone <3 | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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