EPTOn May 03 2012 14:35 Foolishness wrote:
I realize now that I made a case on someone then didn't follow up. That is because I doubted myself after chaoser responded and also because a lot of people disagreed with my case. So I decided to focus elsewhere for the rest of the day. I told a lot of people this in PM land (they can all vouch for me) but I see that I was not clear in the thread. For that I am sorry and that is my bad.
I do not think Katina has had shifty behavior. I have talked with her a lot and feel she is being clear and concise. If you are going to go so far as to call her my protégé then you should believe my read of her since I know her best (though I guess if you think I'm mafia this point is moot). Also I don't see anyone jumping on that wagon; chaoser called her scum but never said anything more; 1 or 2 people in PMs told me they also thought she was town. This doesn't mean it's bad for you to analyze her nor am I calling you out on it, I'm just saying I disagree with your read and it seems most people do as well.
I explained the reasoning earlier in the game. Mafia families are not going to put all 3 members on the same answer (Yes or No) as this really increases their chance of being in the majority (and thus increases their chance of dying). Thus the mafia families are going to split the votes 2-1 (2 of their members vote one way, the other member votes the opposite). This means that on any given Minority/Majority list there is between 2 and 4 mafia inclusive. So now that Ace is dead I can post the following list:
Palmar
syllogism
BloodyC0bbler
Foolishness
Katina
gonzaw
wherebugsgo
and say that there are 2 mafia in that list (and maybe 3 or 4). It's quite simple how I reached my conclusion from here (I've had PMs with people to vouch for me on my thoughts). As I said above I think Katina is town. I also think wherebugsgo is town (further given by how much he helped the town yesterday). I think gonzaw is town because he is being clear and concise about his reads. I think syllogism is town because his frustration day 1 seemed genuine and I don't think someone would react the way he did if they were mafia. I thought Ace was being clear and making sense (and he posted the strategy for the game which at the time I was the only other person who thought of that) so I thought he was town.
That left you (BloodyC0bbler) and Palmar as the 2 mafia. Strangely I thought Palmar was town from his day 1 play though I'm not so sure anymore. And I'll be honest I thought your posts were pretty lackluster at the beginning of day 1 (but now that you are here posting more this is not so accurate). That's how I arrived at the conclusion you were mafia.
And I realize that I've provided next to no analysis on why you are mafia. And I see why this may be bothering you a lot (or any other player for that matter). But I am the person famous for saying, "sometimes the best way to figure out who is mafia is by figuring out who is not mafia".
Other players have brought up a few good arguments against you already. There are some things to be said about you.
Either way I'm confident there are 2 mafia in that list. I realize you are going to say it's me and Katina, but I'm more interested in hearing what other people have to say about that.
I realize now that I made a case on someone then didn't follow up. That is because I doubted myself after chaoser responded and also because a lot of people disagreed with my case. So I decided to focus elsewhere for the rest of the day. I told a lot of people this in PM land (they can all vouch for me) but I see that I was not clear in the thread. For that I am sorry and that is my bad.
I do not think Katina has had shifty behavior. I have talked with her a lot and feel she is being clear and concise. If you are going to go so far as to call her my protégé then you should believe my read of her since I know her best (though I guess if you think I'm mafia this point is moot). Also I don't see anyone jumping on that wagon; chaoser called her scum but never said anything more; 1 or 2 people in PMs told me they also thought she was town. This doesn't mean it's bad for you to analyze her nor am I calling you out on it, I'm just saying I disagree with your read and it seems most people do as well.
I explained the reasoning earlier in the game. Mafia families are not going to put all 3 members on the same answer (Yes or No) as this really increases their chance of being in the majority (and thus increases their chance of dying). Thus the mafia families are going to split the votes 2-1 (2 of their members vote one way, the other member votes the opposite). This means that on any given Minority/Majority list there is between 2 and 4 mafia inclusive. So now that Ace is dead I can post the following list:
Palmar
syllogism
BloodyC0bbler
Foolishness
Katina
gonzaw
wherebugsgo
and say that there are 2 mafia in that list (and maybe 3 or 4). It's quite simple how I reached my conclusion from here (I've had PMs with people to vouch for me on my thoughts). As I said above I think Katina is town. I also think wherebugsgo is town (further given by how much he helped the town yesterday). I think gonzaw is town because he is being clear and concise about his reads. I think syllogism is town because his frustration day 1 seemed genuine and I don't think someone would react the way he did if they were mafia. I thought Ace was being clear and making sense (and he posted the strategy for the game which at the time I was the only other person who thought of that) so I thought he was town.
That left you (BloodyC0bbler) and Palmar as the 2 mafia. Strangely I thought Palmar was town from his day 1 play though I'm not so sure anymore. And I'll be honest I thought your posts were pretty lackluster at the beginning of day 1 (but now that you are here posting more this is not so accurate). That's how I arrived at the conclusion you were mafia.
And I realize that I've provided next to no analysis on why you are mafia. And I see why this may be bothering you a lot (or any other player for that matter). But I am the person famous for saying, "sometimes the best way to figure out who is mafia is by figuring out who is not mafia".
Other players have brought up a few good arguments against you already. There are some things to be said about you.
Either way I'm confident there are 2 mafia in that list. I realize you are going to say it's me and Katina, but I'm more interested in hearing what other people have to say about that.
I find it weird that you view the "few good arguments against me already" when most of those arguments were generic and could be applied across the board to many players and in some cases yourself. You have already seen some of the ones I could easily spot on your own behaviour that look terrible. I believe that you not following your read with such little thread posting and actual reasoning publically is very unlike your town play and as such will continue to scruitinize you. Why? Because I know that when you are red you hate being noticed and pressured.
I also find it odd that you woul dsay that no mafia team would ever do a 3 player stack on yes or no as it would increase their chances of being lynched. This is true, but if one were to do it day 1 where you had a reasonable idea of where the votes were going via someones idea thrown in the thread you could safely vote stack to a point and still manage to snake your entire team onto the minority side, or purposely put it on the majority side and do one day of "risky" play for the advantage later of "no one would stack their team ever in this game" mindset.
I will agree that there is at least 2 mafia in that list. I don't see anywhere for there not to be, however I am willing to say there is as many as 5 (unlikely but possible).
I do appreciate that you finally brought out a solid post since your chaoser post, however I would also like to know some of your reads, or a solid case on someone given that people will be expecting that from you. I have worked with you enough to know you are always analyzing people and always have some reads to push.
