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On May 03 2012 12:54 gonzaw wrote:
If you don't think Cephiro is scum, then please expand on it. I've been asking people for opinions on Cephiro since Round A of Day 1 and nobody gave a shit.
It works the other way around. If you think I am scum, YOU have to expand on it. (Do everyone a favour and don't spam the thread more please.)
On May 03 2012 12:54 gonzaw wrote:
I've been asking people for opinions on Cephiro since Round A of Day 1 and nobody gave a shit.
^ Think a moment about that sentence, and you may even realize something.
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EBWOP: Was supposed to be a PM, sorry for cluttering up. ^^
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I'm not arguing with you anymore Cephiro. Anybody that read the last 2 pages can easily see why you are trolling or being disruptive.
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EBWOP:
Regarding wbg. He seems to put a lot of effort this game.
I was suspicious of him in Round A, because he spent most of the time arguing against Palmar/syllo and not trying to contribute anything else.
After Round A he started contributing, making sense, and taking an active effort in producing something.
He put a lot of effort in making the Round B plan, organizing votes, contacting people, etc. I don't see him doing that as scum.
So I don't see what I have to "reconsider" of him, specially since you started to think he's scum only immediately after he FoSed you.
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On May 03 2012 13:21 gonzaw wrote:
He put a lot of effort in making the Round B plan, organizing votes, contacting people, etc. I don't see him doing that as scum.
Do you not realize how useful for knowing the votecount is for scum? Just because he is making a spreadsheet and sharing it does not make him any more town than anyone else.
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He was not only making the spreadsheet, he was organizing the votes. That means, PMing everybody and trying to get people to cooperate at all times. That is effort I could only see a townie doing.
Anyways, what makes wbg scum then?
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That nk makes no sense at all and why is there only one? Basically the most useless player in the game was shot, I suppose it's someone BC might kill
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Do we know if mafia KP is 1?
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Foolishness
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On May 03 2012 07:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Now lets take a gander at mr foolishness.
Foolishness strong read as well. Why? Because he made a case on someone only to dump it to pursue 2 other people who were far easier lynches. He provided no real reason as to why he changed his mind and then proceeded to put votes onto the person he had analyzed as mafia to keep said person alive. Factor in Katina is his protege and has ignored her shifty behaviour leads me to believe he is infact red. Give more to this and see that he posted the minority list and generically said "i think 2 of this list is mafia" but didn't clarify who he believes is red aside from me and gave no real substance to back it up. When asked for his reads rather than quickly name the people with even a point form reason as to why they are red he just vanishes completely. Pro stuff.
I realize now that I made a case on someone then didn't follow up. That is because I doubted myself after chaoser responded and also because a lot of people disagreed with my case. So I decided to focus elsewhere for the rest of the day. I told a lot of people this in PM land (they can all vouch for me) but I see that I was not clear in the thread. For that I am sorry and that is my bad.
I do not think Katina has had shifty behavior. I have talked with her a lot and feel she is being clear and concise. If you are going to go so far as to call her my protégé then you should believe my read of her since I know her best (though I guess if you think I'm mafia this point is moot). Also I don't see anyone jumping on that wagon; chaoser called her scum but never said anything more; 1 or 2 people in PMs told me they also thought she was town. This doesn't mean it's bad for you to analyze her nor am I calling you out on it, I'm just saying I disagree with your read and it seems most people do as well.
I explained the reasoning earlier in the game. Mafia families are not going to put all 3 members on the same answer (Yes or No) as this really increases their chance of being in the majority (and thus increases their chance of dying). Thus the mafia families are going to split the votes 2-1 (2 of their members vote one way, the other member votes the opposite). This means that on any given Minority/Majority list there is between 2 and 4 mafia inclusive. So now that Ace is dead I can post the following list:
Palmar
syllogism
BloodyC0bbler
Foolishness
Katina
gonzaw
wherebugsgo
and say that there are 2 mafia in that list (and maybe 3 or 4). It's quite simple how I reached my conclusion from here (I've had PMs with people to vouch for me on my thoughts). As I said above I think Katina is town. I also think wherebugsgo is town (further given by how much he helped the town yesterday). I think gonzaw is town because he is being clear and concise about his reads. I think syllogism is town because his frustration day 1 seemed genuine and I don't think someone would react the way he did if they were mafia. I thought Ace was being clear and making sense (and he posted the strategy for the game which at the time I was the only other person who thought of that) so I thought he was town.
That left you (BloodyC0bbler) and Palmar as the 2 mafia. Strangely I thought Palmar was town from his day 1 play though I'm not so sure anymore. And I'll be honest I thought your posts were pretty lackluster at the beginning of day 1 (but now that you are here posting more this is not so accurate). That's how I arrived at the conclusion you were mafia.
And I realize that I've provided next to no analysis on why you are mafia. And I see why this may be bothering you a lot (or any other player for that matter). But I am the person famous for saying, "sometimes the best way to figure out who is mafia is by figuring out who is not mafia".
Other players have brought up a few good arguments against you already. There are some things to be said about you.
Either way I'm confident there are 2 mafia in that list. I realize you are going to say it's me and Katina, but I'm more interested in hearing what other people have to say about that.
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I'm pretty much certain that palmar is town. If he isn't, props to him I suppose but I would put him at 95+% town.
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I'd say there's easily at least 3 mafia in that list. Do you really think that there were 4 mafia in the majority yesterday? Please.... I can understand your town reads on syllo and Katina but I have no idea how you find BC scum when you see gonzaw and wbg as town. -_-
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Why do you think BC is town? And if you think wbg is mafia, does that mean you want to lynch him today? Why is he mafia?
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Not much going on right now, I'll have to change that tomorrow. Anyway I flipped my coin and sent in my answer.
See y'all tomorrow.
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Why would you ever, allegedly, send in your answer this early if you are town? What's the rush? Afraid that town will come up with a plan and going against it will make you look bad?
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The Ace kill was probably an attempt to kill scum, in any case it's probably helpful to us.
I don't think a plan like gonzaw's is going to work at this point in the game, simply because now we have some pretty solid opinions about who we want to lynch. Do you think BC is going to comply with the plan if he's voted to be in the majority?
The whole reason why my plan could've worked on day 1 is not because it allows us to specifically kill a certain player, it's because it allowed us to sort of figure out what people were doing and thinking while narrowing the pool of potential players to be lynched. The whole point was that we were not set in on whom we were going to lynch. Today, there is simply no way the prime suspects are going to comply with a plan, they'll just attempt to be in the minority at all costs.
I think we're going to have to randomize our answers.
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chaoser you've been awfully quiet since people stopped trying to lynch you.
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Even if you RNG, you need to PM me what you send in. Players who are willing to cooperate should not rng yet.
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On May 03 2012 19:41 syllogism wrote:
Even if you RNG, you need to PM me what you send in. Players who are willing to cooperate should not rng yet.
do this.
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On May 03 2012 15:16 Cephiro wrote:
I'd say there's easily at least 3 mafia in that list. Do you really think that there were 4 mafia in the majority yesterday? Please.... I can understand your town reads on syllo and Katina but I have no idea how you find BC scum when you see gonzaw and wbg as town. -_-
Die scum, die.
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On May 03 2012 16:51 syllogism wrote:
Why would you ever, allegedly, send in your answer this early if you are town? What's the rush? Afraid that town will come up with a plan and going against it will make you look bad?
If someone doesnt trust you or palmar and your plan was the only one on the docket why would someone wait for it?
If you have near no time to play for that given phase why would you wait and risk mod punishment etc...
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