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Indonesia2463 Posts
Hello, as I am so fucking fed up with Mattchew and his baseless arguments, I am going to make a case.
First, the main problem, Mattchew *MAY* look like he is contributing but he is not, he says something like for example this post:
On May 13 2012 01:06 Mattchew wrote:
hey acro i think your lynch candidates suck and you should be choosing bluelightz or jitsu, if maju gets lynched
Can you find how Mattchew is contributing with this kind of posts? Well, I can't, why? Let's see for example in this post, his first statement which I bolded, why are Acrofales's lynch candidates bad?, see this is what I mean, you can't find HOW is his post bad right? he doesn't even take ANY time to explain WHY for example 'acro's lynch candidates suck'.
Next, observation:
What are you assuming when you see how many pages/post's are in Mattchew's filter? Can you think he is contributing A LOT OF CRAP? Well, you can, but if you take a look deeper let's see how Mattchew (roughly) spent his 9 pages of filter (at this time of this post).
Roughly, he spent his first 3 pages basically, 'trololoololololol' or 'cat party will destroy mice!' or 'Cat Party Announcement!'. After this, his post's are mostly one-liners with the occasional paragraph explaining some bullshit, and the occasional troll
So, okay, you might think that Mattchew is a guy that explains everything he needs to say in a sentence, well, he doesnt. As explained in my first reason.
Last notes:
I can not believe there is an actual town mindset who would act like this, Mattchew is a vet, he should be better then this, not just throwing random baseless argument into the thread every once in a while.
shut the fuck up hassy about me abandoning my case.
As the majority of people (including me) agrees on a Maju lynch, I will not move my vote for now, I will only move my vote if everyone agrees on Mattchew to be lynched as to not endanger the Maju lynch.
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Drazerk yes we already know you never have anything worthwhile to say
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On May 12 2012 21:51 Carolus Magnus wrote:It's pretty unlikely my vote will be moving after that lackluster defense and no attempt at actually scum hunting. This comment also appears pretty damning Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 08:59 MajuGarzett wrote:
Some may claim that I voted for Acro and Hassy as they as well as myself are scum, but, looking at the spreadsheet of votes, obviously a lot of people agree with me on them being town This may be a "slip" as bluelightz says, but even if it isn't, it's a pretty bizarre way to defend yourself if you are town. A lot of people voting to elect someone does not make the person in question town, as you do not know the alignment of the people in question and someone who gets elected always has a lot of votes. Besides that, it doesn't seem like something a townie would even consider to use as defense, almost feels like you know acro and/or hassy are town and want to use that to clear yourself. You also never even explained why you think acro and hassy are town.
I don't think its a bizarre way to defend myself at all. Earlier on in the thread there were suspicions that acro was scum and that some people who voted for him were scum as well. I made that statement in light of those accusations.
On May 12 2012 03:09 Mr. PotatoHead wrote:
I still think Acrofales is scum, but I'm even more sure of Maju right now (apparently Maju voted for Acrofales, so it'll be a good test lynch).
I felt Acro was town as he had been fairly active during the game without just spamming useless posts, was being fairly serious, and was not afraid to commend and criticise.
For Hassy I was less sure of innocence but I had no reason to suspect him and it was the only useful vote anyways.
Suspects:
Quatol
Has posted very little so far and says he does not plan to post much this game. There would be no reason to sign up if he doesn't have time to post so to me it seemed he was just trying to make excuses for lurking. When he did bother posting, he labeled people as scum and gave absolutely no reasoning. He's either scum or completely unhelpful.
Itouchyou, Bagmanager
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332573&user=263149
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332573&user=259899
Haven't done much.
Mr. PotatoHead
Duke von Wolfenstein of the Hamburger line at your service, your grace.
This is the second reason why I was somewhat hiding. Me not giving my role gives scum an opportunity to pretend to be it instead. If too many people were to claim Duke, then I would know that one of them is lying. Trap #2
This is a rather poor excuse for hiding. There has been no information on how many dukes there are. It was never stated that there could be only one duke so his hiding was useless in finding scum.
He gives no reason for his vote on BL. HE just seems to be voting rather stupidly in response to BL saying that potato is muddying up the thread which, for potato's first few posts, was true.
(1) I'm Duke von Wolfenstein of the Hamburger line, not scum.
(2) However, I have looked like scum, so it is reasonable to accuse me of it.
(3) But there are so many other people that look like scum, why would you stop at so few?
(4) Because you are scum, and you know I am not scum. So it's in your best interest to get rid of me while I still look like scum, so you can vote me and not look scum. But you know I'm not scum.
This argument is entirely based around people blindly following potato's reads and believing he's a duke. Instead of giving reasons for his vote he essentially just claims to not be scum.
When questioned by acro he once again refuses to reveal his votes for emperor and empress and posts the exact same thing he did in response to BL but this time he has never previously launched accusations against acro. THis is the second time he suggests that someone is scum without having any evidence.
Bluelightz
As Carolus is insisting very hard, and well its taht hes sandrogism, I will vote Maju to help secure the lynch.
##Vote MajuGarzett
He wants to secure a lynch even though that was only I think the third vote for me. Even with Carolus insisting there was no need to vote so early in the day when no too many things had been yet discussed.
Hmm.... let's see I tried to push Mattchew and people don't even fucking care about what I say, should I just stay and hope for the best or go and help consolidate votes on a lynch target everyone is agreeing on?
If he wanted to push a lynch on Mattchew why did he vote for Quatol then me? His reason for voting for me is once again to consolidate a lynch but that doesn't make much sense as the vote isn't even close to being consolidated.
##Vote: Mr. Potatohead
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On May 13 2012 01:34 Bluelightz wrote:Hello, as I am so fucking fed up with Mattchew and his baseless arguments, I am going to make a case.
First, the main problem, Mattchew *MAY* look like he is contributing but he is not, he says something like for example this post: Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 01:06 Mattchew wrote:
hey acro i think your lynch candidates suck and you should be choosing bluelightz or jitsu, if maju gets lynched Can you find how Mattchew is contributing with this kind of posts? Well, I can't, why? Let's see for example in this post, his first statement which I bolded, why are Acrofales's lynch candidates bad?, see this is what I mean, you can't find HOW is his post bad right? he doesn't even take ANY time to explain WHY for example 'acro's lynch candidates suck'. Next, observation: What are you assuming when you see how many pages/post's are in Mattchew's filter? Can you think he is contributing A LOT OF CRAP? Well, you can, but if you take a look deeper let's see how Mattchew (roughly) spent his 9 pages of filter (at this time of this post). Roughly, he spent his first 3 pages basically, 'trololoololololol' or 'cat party will destroy mice!' or 'Cat Party Announcement!'. After this, his post's are mostly one-liners with the occasional paragraph explaining some bullshit, and the occasional troll So, okay, you might think that Mattchew is a guy that explains everything he needs to say in a sentence, well, he doesnt. As explained in my first reason.
Last notes: I can not believe there is an actual town mindset who would act like this, Mattchew is a vet, he should be better then this, not just throwing random baseless argument into the thread every once in a while. shut the fuck up hassy about me abandoning my case.
As the majority of people (including me) agrees on a Maju lynch, I will not move my vote for now, I will only move my vote if everyone agrees on Mattchew to be lynched as to not endanger the Maju lynch.
the cat party announcement posts were serious ... you just showed you don't read... as i drunkenly tried to tell everyone, you don't need to read cause you know what agenda you will be pushing
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nvm he's never going to get lynched
##Vote: Bluelightz
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Indonesia2463 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:37 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 01:34 Bluelightz wrote:Hello, as I am so fucking fed up with Mattchew and his baseless arguments, I am going to make a case.
First, the main problem, Mattchew *MAY* look like he is contributing but he is not, he says something like for example this post: On May 13 2012 01:06 Mattchew wrote:
hey acro i think your lynch candidates suck and you should be choosing bluelightz or jitsu, if maju gets lynched Can you find how Mattchew is contributing with this kind of posts? Well, I can't, why? Let's see for example in this post, his first statement which I bolded, why are Acrofales's lynch candidates bad?, see this is what I mean, you can't find HOW is his post bad right? he doesn't even take ANY time to explain WHY for example 'acro's lynch candidates suck'. Next, observation: What are you assuming when you see how many pages/post's are in Mattchew's filter? Can you think he is contributing A LOT OF CRAP? Well, you can, but if you take a look deeper let's see how Mattchew (roughly) spent his 9 pages of filter (at this time of this post). Roughly, he spent his first 3 pages basically, 'trololoololololol' or 'cat party will destroy mice!' or 'Cat Party Announcement!'. After this, his post's are mostly one-liners with the occasional paragraph explaining some bullshit, and the occasional troll So, okay, you might think that Mattchew is a guy that explains everything he needs to say in a sentence, well, he doesnt. As explained in my first reason.
Last notes: I can not believe there is an actual town mindset who would act like this, Mattchew is a vet, he should be better then this, not just throwing random baseless argument into the thread every once in a while. shut the fuck up hassy about me abandoning my case.
As the majority of people (including me) agrees on a Maju lynch, I will not move my vote for now, I will only move my vote if everyone agrees on Mattchew to be lynched as to not endanger the Maju lynch. the cat party announcement posts were serious ... you just showed you don't read... as i drunkenly tried to tell everyone, you don't need to read cause you know what agenda you will be pushing
Look at that great example of clearly glorious defense to a case that TOTALLY convinces I am town.....
+ Show Spoiler + Okay im ignoring you Matt
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On May 13 2012 01:39 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 01:37 Mattchew wrote:On May 13 2012 01:34 Bluelightz wrote:Hello, as I am so fucking fed up with Mattchew and his baseless arguments, I am going to make a case.
First, the main problem, Mattchew *MAY* look like he is contributing but he is not, he says something like for example this post: On May 13 2012 01:06 Mattchew wrote:
hey acro i think your lynch candidates suck and you should be choosing bluelightz or jitsu, if maju gets lynched Can you find how Mattchew is contributing with this kind of posts? Well, I can't, why? Let's see for example in this post, his first statement which I bolded, why are Acrofales's lynch candidates bad?, see this is what I mean, you can't find HOW is his post bad right? he doesn't even take ANY time to explain WHY for example 'acro's lynch candidates suck'. Next, observation: What are you assuming when you see how many pages/post's are in Mattchew's filter? Can you think he is contributing A LOT OF CRAP? Well, you can, but if you take a look deeper let's see how Mattchew (roughly) spent his 9 pages of filter (at this time of this post). Roughly, he spent his first 3 pages basically, 'trololoololololol' or 'cat party will destroy mice!' or 'Cat Party Announcement!'. After this, his post's are mostly one-liners with the occasional paragraph explaining some bullshit, and the occasional troll So, okay, you might think that Mattchew is a guy that explains everything he needs to say in a sentence, well, he doesnt. As explained in my first reason.
Last notes: I can not believe there is an actual town mindset who would act like this, Mattchew is a vet, he should be better then this, not just throwing random baseless argument into the thread every once in a while. shut the fuck up hassy about me abandoning my case.
As the majority of people (including me) agrees on a Maju lynch, I will not move my vote for now, I will only move my vote if everyone agrees on Mattchew to be lynched as to not endanger the Maju lynch. the cat party announcement posts were serious ... you just showed you don't read... as i drunkenly tried to tell everyone, you don't need to read cause you know what agenda you will be pushing Look at that great example of clearly glorious defense to a case that TOTALLY convinces I am town..... + Show Spoiler + Okay im ignoring you Matt
I don't need to convince scum im town, really townies already know this.. thats why they arent voting for me
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real townies* not really townies
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I was just going to say that voting for mr. potatohead instead of bluelightz (the realistic alternative wagon) is making you look better. It could just be you not paying attention as mafia as well though.
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Indonesia2463 Posts
Hmm Maju,
#1 -> Okay, here's a choice, be useless to town with your vote or be useful and help secure the lynch?
#2 -> I voted for Quatol at the time because me and my spouse agreed on trying to kill him for reasons I disclosed in my filter (take the time to read it)
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:39 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 01:37 Mattchew wrote:On May 13 2012 01:34 Bluelightz wrote:Hello, as I am so fucking fed up with Mattchew and his baseless arguments, I am going to make a case.
First, the main problem, Mattchew *MAY* look like he is contributing but he is not, he says something like for example this post: On May 13 2012 01:06 Mattchew wrote:
hey acro i think your lynch candidates suck and you should be choosing bluelightz or jitsu, if maju gets lynched Can you find how Mattchew is contributing with this kind of posts? Well, I can't, why? Let's see for example in this post, his first statement which I bolded, why are Acrofales's lynch candidates bad?, see this is what I mean, you can't find HOW is his post bad right? he doesn't even take ANY time to explain WHY for example 'acro's lynch candidates suck'. Next, observation: What are you assuming when you see how many pages/post's are in Mattchew's filter? Can you think he is contributing A LOT OF CRAP? Well, you can, but if you take a look deeper let's see how Mattchew (roughly) spent his 9 pages of filter (at this time of this post). Roughly, he spent his first 3 pages basically, 'trololoololololol' or 'cat party will destroy mice!' or 'Cat Party Announcement!'. After this, his post's are mostly one-liners with the occasional paragraph explaining some bullshit, and the occasional troll So, okay, you might think that Mattchew is a guy that explains everything he needs to say in a sentence, well, he doesnt. As explained in my first reason.
Last notes: I can not believe there is an actual town mindset who would act like this, Mattchew is a vet, he should be better then this, not just throwing random baseless argument into the thread every once in a while. shut the fuck up hassy about me abandoning my case.
As the majority of people (including me) agrees on a Maju lynch, I will not move my vote for now, I will only move my vote if everyone agrees on Mattchew to be lynched as to not endanger the Maju lynch. the cat party announcement posts were serious ... you just showed you don't read... as i drunkenly tried to tell everyone, you don't need to read cause you know what agenda you will be pushing Look at that great example of clearly glorious defense to a case that TOTALLY convinces I am town..... + Show Spoiler + Okay im ignoring you Matt
are you really this stupid?
I foresee you being murdered by cupid
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Indonesia2463 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:40 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 01:39 Bluelightz wrote:On May 13 2012 01:37 Mattchew wrote:On May 13 2012 01:34 Bluelightz wrote:Hello, as I am so fucking fed up with Mattchew and his baseless arguments, I am going to make a case.
First, the main problem, Mattchew *MAY* look like he is contributing but he is not, he says something like for example this post: On May 13 2012 01:06 Mattchew wrote:
hey acro i think your lynch candidates suck and you should be choosing bluelightz or jitsu, if maju gets lynched Can you find how Mattchew is contributing with this kind of posts? Well, I can't, why? Let's see for example in this post, his first statement which I bolded, why are Acrofales's lynch candidates bad?, see this is what I mean, you can't find HOW is his post bad right? he doesn't even take ANY time to explain WHY for example 'acro's lynch candidates suck'. Next, observation: What are you assuming when you see how many pages/post's are in Mattchew's filter? Can you think he is contributing A LOT OF CRAP? Well, you can, but if you take a look deeper let's see how Mattchew (roughly) spent his 9 pages of filter (at this time of this post). Roughly, he spent his first 3 pages basically, 'trololoololololol' or 'cat party will destroy mice!' or 'Cat Party Announcement!'. After this, his post's are mostly one-liners with the occasional paragraph explaining some bullshit, and the occasional troll So, okay, you might think that Mattchew is a guy that explains everything he needs to say in a sentence, well, he doesnt. As explained in my first reason.
Last notes: I can not believe there is an actual town mindset who would act like this, Mattchew is a vet, he should be better then this, not just throwing random baseless argument into the thread every once in a while. shut the fuck up hassy about me abandoning my case.
As the majority of people (including me) agrees on a Maju lynch, I will not move my vote for now, I will only move my vote if everyone agrees on Mattchew to be lynched as to not endanger the Maju lynch. the cat party announcement posts were serious ... you just showed you don't read... as i drunkenly tried to tell everyone, you don't need to read cause you know what agenda you will be pushing Look at that great example of clearly glorious defense to a case that TOTALLY convinces I am town..... + Show Spoiler + Okay im ignoring you Matt I don't need to convince scum im town, really townies already know this.. thats why they arent voting for me
When you die and flip scum I will be very happy.
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heres a thought, we get acro to lynch maju, and then we (the public) vote on the other candidate...
I can't think of any downsides, other than acro not doing what we tell him to do
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:27 Carolus Magnus wrote:
No, that's how you think players should play and it's also why TL towns lose more than they ought to. Sheeping a case isn't really any better than sheeping a player who you think is town and good. Even putting that aside, his behavior isn't indicative of him being mafia, it's a completely null tell, especially until we see maju flip. If he happens to be mafia, it would be purely coincidental and not at all related to him sheeping someone who he thinks is town and good.
Thinking someone is town and good does not instantly prevent you from posting your opinions. And considering how much people get ripped for not doing so (hell you accused atlas for doing the exact same thing) it makes no sense to just add a sentence about why you think that player is right.
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Indonesia2463 Posts
@Acro
I think scum are to be found in the people that are stupid (which means that are voting me for no fucking reason)
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On May 13 2012 01:43 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 01:27 Carolus Magnus wrote:
No, that's how you think players should play and it's also why TL towns lose more than they ought to. Sheeping a case isn't really any better than sheeping a player who you think is town and good. Even putting that aside, his behavior isn't indicative of him being mafia, it's a completely null tell, especially until we see maju flip. If he happens to be mafia, it would be purely coincidental and not at all related to him sheeping someone who he thinks is town and good. Thinking someone is town and good does not instantly prevent you from posting your opinions. And considering how much people get ripped for not doing so (hell you accused atlas for doing the exact same thing) it makes no sense to just add a sentence about why you think that player is right.
Bluelightz has done more than that single post. If there is a player that only sheeps and never tries to contribute anything original, that is a sign of someone being mafia.
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Indonesia2463 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:43 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 01:27 Carolus Magnus wrote:
No, that's how you think players should play and it's also why TL towns lose more than they ought to. Sheeping a case isn't really any better than sheeping a player who you think is town and good. Even putting that aside, his behavior isn't indicative of him being mafia, it's a completely null tell, especially until we see maju flip. If he happens to be mafia, it would be purely coincidental and not at all related to him sheeping someone who he thinks is town and good. Thinking someone is town and good does not instantly prevent you from posting your opinions. And considering how much people get ripped for not doing so (hell you accused atlas for doing the exact same thing) it makes no sense to just add a sentence about why you think that player is right.
Okay Hassy, you pressured me, what about the trillion other sheep?
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:46 Bluelightz wrote:
@Acro
I think scum are to be found in the people that are stupid (which means that are voting me for no fucking reason)
I think the exact opposite however you can up with this is retarded
all your cases and opinions should just be discarded
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On May 13 2012 01:41 Bluelightz wrote:
Hmm Maju,
#1 -> Okay, here's a choice, be useless to town with your vote or be useful and help secure the lynch?
#2 -> I voted for Quatol at the time because me and my spouse agreed on trying to kill him for reasons I disclosed in my filter (take the time to read it)
But that early on in the day you should vote for whom you most strongly believe is mafia. It would have been 2 votes for me to one for who you voted for. I could see not voting for your first choice if its already almost a foregone conclusion but at that point there was easily a chance to get someone else lynched.
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Indonesia2463 Posts
On May 13 2012 01:48 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 01:46 Bluelightz wrote:
@Acro
I think scum are to be found in the people that are stupid (which means that are voting me for no fucking reason) I think the exact opposite however you can up with this is retarded all your cases and opinions should just be discarded
Thank you for your kind opinion, great poet Drazerk.
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