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On May 11 2012 01:09 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 00:59 Carolus Magnus wrote:On May 11 2012 00:55 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:53 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:43 Drazerk wrote:On May 11 2012 00:42 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:39 Drazerk wrote:
Your dodging erandorr stop it
soon you will find yourself hit
wat On May 11 2012 00:34 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:31 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:29 Carolus Magnus wrote:
There's approximately 0% chance that I would have slipped with my smurf as mafia and I wouldn't have revealed that sandroba is playing as well. Errandorr you are voting for me right? Sent my votes before I knew that you are in it. Cant change already asked. But I totally would vote for you now ! Mind saying who you did vote for? Both emperor and empress? Trollvotes very early on cause im retarded. Quatol and yes this is dog. Not smart but I thought it was funny at 3 am. Lol... and you dare to call someone who is actually putting an effort into this game dumb and/or scum? You're priming yourself quite nicely as a lynch target D1. Really? Why do you feel like mafia would do that? Votes aren't even revealed, so he could have just lied I don't think it's a scummy thing to do. I think it's an exceptionally dumb thing to do. Putting the pressure on people doing dumb stuff to step up their game in fear of a lynch is bad play according to you? Why are you making me explain this? Also, setting a precedent of doing stupid shit now that it probably doesn't matter is a great way to set up "stupid" play later in the game when it really hurts town. Everybody has already written you off as useless/dumb, allowing you to do whatever the hell you like. I prefer to weed out the stupid and make them sweat/die early, so that I don't have to worry about it at lylo.
You don't threaten players who post towny but dumb things with lynch. You tell them to step up. Moreover, it wasn't a mistake that he could correct, so your "pressure" does nothing. Say what you mean, I don't like allowing players to hide behind excuses like that. That opens up the possibility of testing waters and if people disagree with your (mis)lynch target, you can just go
"Oh I didn't really think he was mafia, I was just pressuring a bit" or something similar
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On May 11 2012 01:14 Mattchew wrote:
So your down to lynch dumb town... You should all be voting for me
Meh, twist my words more. I don't want to lynch dumb town. I want to prevent dumb town from doing dumb stuff, if a threat of lynching does that then I am happy.
Setting a precedent as dumb town to later be willfully malevolent is also a clever way to play scum. Once again, a threat of a lynch, possibly followed up with an actual lynch if the player acts SCUMMY rather than dumb is a great way to restrict that behaviour.
I'd rather we only lynch scum. Preventing town from doing stupid crap and playing obviously towny is a great way of ensuring scum gets lynched.
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On May 11 2012 01:14 Carolus Magnus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 01:09 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:59 Carolus Magnus wrote:On May 11 2012 00:55 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:53 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:43 Drazerk wrote:On May 11 2012 00:42 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:39 Drazerk wrote:
Your dodging erandorr stop it
soon you will find yourself hit
wat On May 11 2012 00:34 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:31 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:29 Carolus Magnus wrote:
There's approximately 0% chance that I would have slipped with my smurf as mafia and I wouldn't have revealed that sandroba is playing as well. Errandorr you are voting for me right? Sent my votes before I knew that you are in it. Cant change already asked. But I totally would vote for you now ! Mind saying who you did vote for? Both emperor and empress? This is why syllo/sandro is helpful town and also why the target does not need to be any bigger on them making them emperor Marry me? Trollvotes very early on cause im retarded. Quatol and yes this is dog. Not smart but I thought it was funny at 3 am. Lol... and you dare to call someone who is actually putting an effort into this game dumb and/or scum? You're priming yourself quite nicely as a lynch target D1. Really? Why do you feel like mafia would do that? Votes aren't even revealed, so he could have just lied I don't think it's a scummy thing to do. I think it's an exceptionally dumb thing to do. Putting the pressure on people doing dumb stuff to step up their game in fear of a lynch is bad play according to you? Why are you making me explain this? Also, setting a precedent of doing stupid shit now that it probably doesn't matter is a great way to set up "stupid" play later in the game when it really hurts town. Everybody has already written you off as useless/dumb, allowing you to do whatever the hell you like. I prefer to weed out the stupid and make them sweat/die early, so that I don't have to worry about it at lylo. You don't threaten players who post towny but dumb things with lynch. You tell them to step up. Moreover, it wasn't a mistake that he could correct, so your "pressure" does nothing. Say what you mean, I don't like allowing players to hide behind excuses like that. That opens up the possibility of testing waters and if people disagree with your (mis)lynch target, you can just go "Oh I didn't really think he was mafia, I was just pressuring a bit" or something similar
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Ebwop I fucked up and added my response to errandors quote
Meant to say
This is why syllo/sandro is helpful town and also why the target does not need to be any bigger on them making them emperor
Marry me
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On May 11 2012 01:14 Carolus Magnus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 01:09 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:59 Carolus Magnus wrote:On May 11 2012 00:55 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:53 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:43 Drazerk wrote:On May 11 2012 00:42 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:39 Drazerk wrote:
Your dodging erandorr stop it
soon you will find yourself hit
wat On May 11 2012 00:34 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:31 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:29 Carolus Magnus wrote:
There's approximately 0% chance that I would have slipped with my smurf as mafia and I wouldn't have revealed that sandroba is playing as well. Errandorr you are voting for me right? Sent my votes before I knew that you are in it. Cant change already asked. But I totally would vote for you now ! Mind saying who you did vote for? Both emperor and empress? Trollvotes very early on cause im retarded. Quatol and yes this is dog. Not smart but I thought it was funny at 3 am. Lol... and you dare to call someone who is actually putting an effort into this game dumb and/or scum? You're priming yourself quite nicely as a lynch target D1. Really? Why do you feel like mafia would do that? Votes aren't even revealed, so he could have just lied I don't think it's a scummy thing to do. I think it's an exceptionally dumb thing to do. Putting the pressure on people doing dumb stuff to step up their game in fear of a lynch is bad play according to you? Why are you making me explain this? Also, setting a precedent of doing stupid shit now that it probably doesn't matter is a great way to set up "stupid" play later in the game when it really hurts town. Everybody has already written you off as useless/dumb, allowing you to do whatever the hell you like. I prefer to weed out the stupid and make them sweat/die early, so that I don't have to worry about it at lylo. You don't threaten players who post towny but dumb things with lynch. You tell them to step up. Moreover, it wasn't a mistake that he could correct, so your "pressure" does nothing. Say what you mean, I don't like allowing players to hide behind excuses like that. That opens up the possibility of testing waters and if people disagree with your (mis)lynch target, you can just go "Oh I didn't really think he was mafia, I was just pressuring a bit" or something similar
He didn't post a townie thing. He posted a dumb thing. I don't think there's anything townie about it and he deserves to be pressured for it. However you seem to disagree? Pressure votes are bad on general principle?
Him being unable to rectify it is not a reason not to pressure him on D1. There's still plenty of reasons to do that as either scum or town. I'd love to pressure him into posting more and stepping up his game, allowing me to get a better read.
Chastising him by saying "you played dumb, bad boy. Go stand in the corner" is really really weaksauce and nobody will pay any attention to that shit.
How the hell are you interpreting my post as a proposal for a lynch? I think he made a bad move. Bad moves are made by either scum or town. His announcing his bad move to the world, just makes him either bad town or bad scum. I would rather find out which than ignore him and be left with the same bloody question later on. Pressure is a good way to do that.
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....omg...
No...Not again....I didn't eff this up this time too did i?!
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He didn't have to announce his vote and we would never know better... You think mafia is gonna say they voted 2 non posters when they don't have to? Stop acro your being illogical
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On May 11 2012 01:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 01:14 Mattchew wrote:
So your down to lynch dumb town... You should all be voting for me Meh, twist my words more. I don't want to lynch dumb town. I want to prevent dumb town from doing dumb stuff, if a threat of lynching does that then I am happy. Setting a precedent as dumb town to later be willfully malevolent is also a clever way to play scum. Once again, a threat of a lynch, possibly followed up with an actual lynch if the player acts SCUMMY rather than dumb is a great way to restrict that behaviour. I'd rather we only lynch scum. Preventing town from doing stupid crap and playing obviously towny is a great way of ensuring scum gets lynched.
Problem is that I dont take you seriously at all. And I think you fit in well amongst us really stupid townies. Dont fight it. Just embrace it and be happy.
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On May 11 2012 01:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:
....omg...
No...Not again....I didn't eff this up this time too did i?!
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On May 11 2012 01:26 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 01:14 Carolus Magnus wrote:On May 11 2012 01:09 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:59 Carolus Magnus wrote:On May 11 2012 00:55 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:53 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:43 Drazerk wrote:On May 11 2012 00:42 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:39 Drazerk wrote:
Your dodging erandorr stop it
soon you will find yourself hit
wat On May 11 2012 00:34 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:31 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:29 Carolus Magnus wrote:
There's approximately 0% chance that I would have slipped with my smurf as mafia and I wouldn't have revealed that sandroba is playing as well. Errandorr you are voting for me right? Sent my votes before I knew that you are in it. Cant change already asked. But I totally would vote for you now ! Mind saying who you did vote for? Both emperor and empress? Trollvotes very early on cause im retarded. Quatol and yes this is dog. Not smart but I thought it was funny at 3 am. Lol... and you dare to call someone who is actually putting an effort into this game dumb and/or scum? You're priming yourself quite nicely as a lynch target D1. Really? Why do you feel like mafia would do that? Votes aren't even revealed, so he could have just lied I don't think it's a scummy thing to do. I think it's an exceptionally dumb thing to do. Putting the pressure on people doing dumb stuff to step up their game in fear of a lynch is bad play according to you? Why are you making me explain this? Also, setting a precedent of doing stupid shit now that it probably doesn't matter is a great way to set up "stupid" play later in the game when it really hurts town. Everybody has already written you off as useless/dumb, allowing you to do whatever the hell you like. I prefer to weed out the stupid and make them sweat/die early, so that I don't have to worry about it at lylo. You don't threaten players who post towny but dumb things with lynch. You tell them to step up. Moreover, it wasn't a mistake that he could correct, so your "pressure" does nothing. Say what you mean, I don't like allowing players to hide behind excuses like that. That opens up the possibility of testing waters and if people disagree with your (mis)lynch target, you can just go "Oh I didn't really think he was mafia, I was just pressuring a bit" or something similar He didn't post a townie thing. He posted a dumb thing. I don't think there's anything townie about it and he deserves to be pressured for it. However you seem to disagree? Pressure votes are bad on general principle? Him being unable to rectify it is not a reason not to pressure him on D1. There's still plenty of reasons to do that as either scum or town. I'd love to pressure him into posting more and stepping up his game, allowing me to get a better read. Chastising him by saying "you played dumb, bad boy. Go stand in the corner" is really really weaksauce and nobody will pay any attention to that shit. How the hell are you interpreting my post as a proposal for a lynch? I think he made a bad move. Bad moves are made by either scum or town. His announcing his bad move to the world, just makes him either bad town or bad scum. I would rather find out which than ignore him and be left with the same bloody question later on. Pressure is a good way to do that.
Whoa buddie, why is me announcing that move as town bad. Assume you are town and made that decision, how would you go on? Lie?
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On May 11 2012 01:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:
....omg...
No...Not again....I didn't eff this up this time too did i?!
This is your first post. I am unsure what you could have eff'd up...
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Plz i really need the help this game is confusing me a lot  Save me Acrofales
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You don't seem to be honestly trying to determine whether he is town or mafia. You say that he is either bad town or bad mafia, instead of attempting determine which one is more likely. Obviously you can't know his alignment based on a single thing, but it is evidence pointing one way or another and certainly not to equally strongly at two directions at once.
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On May 11 2012 01:30 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 01:26 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 01:14 Carolus Magnus wrote:On May 11 2012 01:09 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:59 Carolus Magnus wrote:On May 11 2012 00:55 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:53 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:43 Drazerk wrote:On May 11 2012 00:42 Erandorr wrote:On May 11 2012 00:39 Drazerk wrote:
Your dodging erandorr stop it
soon you will find yourself hit
wat On May 11 2012 00:34 Acrofales wrote:On May 11 2012 00:31 Erandorr wrote:
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Sent my votes before I knew that you are in it. Cant change already asked. But I totally would vote for you now ! Mind saying who you did vote for? Both emperor and empress? Trollvotes very early on cause im retarded. Quatol and yes this is dog. Not smart but I thought it was funny at 3 am. Lol... and you dare to call someone who is actually putting an effort into this game dumb and/or scum? You're priming yourself quite nicely as a lynch target D1. Really? Why do you feel like mafia would do that? Votes aren't even revealed, so he could have just lied I don't think it's a scummy thing to do. I think it's an exceptionally dumb thing to do. Putting the pressure on people doing dumb stuff to step up their game in fear of a lynch is bad play according to you? Why are you making me explain this? Also, setting a precedent of doing stupid shit now that it probably doesn't matter is a great way to set up "stupid" play later in the game when it really hurts town. Everybody has already written you off as useless/dumb, allowing you to do whatever the hell you like. I prefer to weed out the stupid and make them sweat/die early, so that I don't have to worry about it at lylo. You don't threaten players who post towny but dumb things with lynch. You tell them to step up. Moreover, it wasn't a mistake that he could correct, so your "pressure" does nothing. Say what you mean, I don't like allowing players to hide behind excuses like that. That opens up the possibility of testing waters and if people disagree with your (mis)lynch target, you can just go "Oh I didn't really think he was mafia, I was just pressuring a bit" or something similar He didn't post a townie thing. He posted a dumb thing. I don't think there's anything townie about it and he deserves to be pressured for it. However you seem to disagree? Pressure votes are bad on general principle? Him being unable to rectify it is not a reason not to pressure him on D1. There's still plenty of reasons to do that as either scum or town. I'd love to pressure him into posting more and stepping up his game, allowing me to get a better read. Chastising him by saying "you played dumb, bad boy. Go stand in the corner" is really really weaksauce and nobody will pay any attention to that shit. How the hell are you interpreting my post as a proposal for a lynch? I think he made a bad move. Bad moves are made by either scum or town. His announcing his bad move to the world, just makes him either bad town or bad scum. I would rather find out which than ignore him and be left with the same bloody question later on. Pressure is a good way to do that. Whoa buddie, why is me announcing that move as town bad. Assume you are town and made that decision, how would you go on? Lie?
No... as town the move was bad, the announcement good.
As scum, the move was good (or neutral), the announcement bad.
That makes you bad scum or bad town. Given that I don't believe you have payed much attention to the thread, you might not have known that votes were secret, thus giving an explanation for scum to announce their vote.
There are other (less likely) explanations for a scum motivation for announcing your vote truthfully, but going into the wifom of your actions is not very useful. Suffice it to say there are explanations both ways and it can only BENEFIT town to force you into the spotlight posting your reads and preventing you from throwing your vote away again.
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On May 11 2012 01:37 Erandorr wrote:
What reads? Its day zero
I'm putting you in the spotlight and keeping you there. I didn't say you should have reads now.
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On May 11 2012 01:37 Erandorr wrote:
What reads? Its day zero
As long as there are posts there can be reads. It doesn't matter what day it is.
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They just might not be the most entrenched of reads.
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On May 11 2012 00:29 Carolus Magnus wrote:
There's approximately 0% chance that I would have slipped with my smurf as mafia and I wouldn't have revealed that sandroba is playing as well. Errandorr you are voting for me right?
This is pretty persuasive. I also feel like the "don't threaten to lynch dumb townies for being dumb" comment is something scum would generally not say. Carolus is currently my #1 mayor candidate.
I feel like acrofales is my second candidate. That's because he seems to have been posting a lot more genuinely than mattchew, who seems to not have transitioned entirely out of the troll phase of the game. I also find it more likely that a scum player would jump into the race with a troll campaign like Matt did than with a serious one like acro. I'm not concluded one way or the other on mattchew's alignment but I think acro has a lower chance of being scum.
That said, now that we know that the heir isn't the second place candidate, our opinions about the second-towniest candidate don't matter as much anymore.
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On May 11 2012 01:31 Carolus Magnus wrote:
You don't seem to be honestly trying to determine whether he is town or mafia. You say that he is either bad town or bad mafia, instead of attempting determine which one is more likely. Obviously you can't know his alignment based on a single thing, but it is evidence pointing one way or another and certainly not to equally strongly at two directions at once.
To me it has a slightly scummy whiff, because dumb actions count stronger than dumb words.
I also disagree with you, there are plenty of completely neutral topics of discussion. This, in fact, is one of them. It's a meta-discussion on how to play this game. Easy to pick a side and be contrary about it. It can even serve to make the person you're discussing it with look bad. I am therefore stepping out of this discussion as continuing it serves no purpose except to derail the thread from the vote at hand. If you're townie, you will stop this discussion too.
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