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On May 07 2012 02:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I can write a long post-game analysis later, but the main problem this game was Mafia did absolutely nothing in Day 1 which led to Town lynching a Mafia by chance, which near-confirmed a ton of people and made it near impossible to win from there. The rest of the game was neigh impossible from that starting point for Mafia.
Yeah, I found it impossible to believe Mafia would just sit there and let Veriat get lynched, but apparently that's what happened o.o
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First off, Thank you to the Mods, Artanis and Nova, for modding this game. I know you had a lot of things to worry about with all the subs and that nonsense but the game still progressed smoothly. I also know it's time-consuming to Mod so thank you for taking time to do it for us.
Few things:
1) How is town normally suppose to win these things with majority lynch in effect? On day 1 it takes 7 of 9 town's to lynch a mafia, that's nearly unheard of. And if your wrong, then subsequent days it becomes even harder needing 6 of 7 towns to lynch a mafia. There's no point in the mafia bussing at any point in the game, if they just make cases against other players. The only way to balance it out is to add insane power roles for the village. We got super lucky with our power role games and lynching the RB'er d1
2) If you have a one-time vig, it is best to use it early rather than later. Yes it was good shot and was key to allowing us to win this game, but what if you were nk'ed one of the nights.
3) Wtf is with the hate on lists? Yes I made a list and everyone was on that list for a reason, it wasn't random.org. Lists are good.
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Lack of town cred killed mafia. as well as vigi bullet and good lynch.
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Random town-lists at night won't be good no matter how much you say so
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I dunno about the vig thing, i think night 2/3 is best time. night 3 can pretty much be a guaranteed kill on mafia, so it can be hugely advantageous. if you have someone who is absolutely awful day 1 though and you just want him gone, that can be a good vig shot too.
I dont like lists. its easy for scum to make an ez list with their scum bros anywhere on it and point it out later as contributing. Filter analysis is the way to go. (at least in my opinion)
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They weren't random. And maybe posting them at night is a bad thing, I've never played where you are allowed to talk at night so that might be fair but to say lists are bad in general I disagree with
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Fight that battle ! with no-one ever gonna agree with you! go girl :D
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whysomuch is so annoying I love how he said I posted "kind of towny". I'm the first one to vote veriat. mafia picked up on it. bunch of donks. looking forward to not noob game big time.
@ Yomi: You did nothing but vote. Yes you were right, but it was early in the day, and you didn't push the lynch. It could easily have been a bus that you wouldn't think catch on. It's not like I called you mafia for it, it just wasn't lock clearing like some of the others. No one voted Veriat cause you voted him. I think the n1 kill was not good so I wouldn't flatter yourself saying "mafia picked up on it". PureSC/THe_Zen_Man looked way better than you did.
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Also note that someone else in the chat cleared the 2nd through 5th voters, not you. It's pretty standard there to not clear you for your first vote
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did seem a weird night 1 shot.
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@Nova, Artanis -thanks for hosting.
@everyone GG.
@thezenman- what was your reasoning for prot marvel? did you really have a town read on him or did u just think he was likely target.
TBH I really wasn't around for the deadline D1 lynch. If i hadn't fked up my ##unvote i woulda been under not voting. And when I showed up later, I was like WTF QQ.
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We thought yomi was blue role
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nreekay324: I figured that you would not want him in the game, as he jumped in mid game and contributed a lot right of the start. He seemed like a mafia target.
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What is funny is that i raised suspicoins on all 3 mafia members day 1. Should have followed my hunches.
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gg town
nice shot mordi
i do agree with WSM that vigs should be used as early as possible. getting killed before you get a chance to use it hurts a lot.
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On May 07 2012 03:45 SexDoll wrote:
gg town
nice shot mordi
i do agree with WSM that vigs should be used as early as possible. getting killed before you get a chance to use it hurts a lot.
To explain a little further, assume that after d1, you have a list of players and arrange them from most towny to most scummy. Scum will be making their kills from the top of the list. If you take your shot at someone at the bottom of the list, even if you don't kill a scum, you'll likely kill a mislynch, which is almost as important. You're still increasing your chances
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What killed us was the D1 lynch preatty much. Yes, The_Zen_Mans save and Mordanis shot was nice too but I think you guys would've won even without them. I really didn't get Veriat's play at all. He basically saced himself and got us suspicious just after the first day. The reason I lied about not being able to switch vote was simply way for me to save him. But I really think I should've either bussed him hard or at least try to save him.
I'd like to hear some opinions about my play, pref from Nova and/or Pure as they were in my last game. Did you think I played well?
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GG town, we won 
Thanks very much to the hosts, I really loved the theme - it added a lot to the game My death video made me laugh
Lazer - I thought you played a lot better as "town" this game right up until the lie. I'm annoyed at myself because I knew it was really sus, and especially with you not voting Veriat day 1. I was certain that the other 2 scum were in you 3 who didn't vote Veriat, but both you and nreekay did quite a good job like I said up until that lie. During the night (before I died) I had gone through the filters and saw the way nreekay was just easy bandwagoning on to the other votes and figured he was scum, then it was down to you and marv.
Marv did a great job coming in like he did, I found it really hard to trust him at first but definitely had a town read on him, and I almost think that The_Zen_Man coulda claimed the save that day, but its still likely golden/sexdoll woulda got lynched.
I'm a bit annoyed I went with the Golden over Lazer lynch, because I really didn't see it in marvs case against Golden, I had him, TZM and mord as my town reads from early on, but I liked marv and his style and let that rule me a bit, and then with the replacement thing I really didn't feel like I could trust anything sexdoll said so kinda just went with that. In hindsight, we had Lazer dead to rights after that blatant lie and he shoulda been voted in place of Golden/Sexdoll.
Mord, I think you played really well and pulled out that vigi shot at the perfect time. I know there is a risk that you coulda been taken out without shooting, but I'd rather that over killing off a townie (e.g. golden) and helping the mafia. I also had a good town read on you from early.
The_Zen_Man - you were my main town read after the case against Veriat and the save you pulled on Marv was great. I'm kinda in two minds as I think there coulda been some benefit of claiming that night, but also maybe not, and since it turned out right, it was a good thing to do. Shoulda saved me the next night 
WhySoMuch - sorry I was a bit hard on you. I was getting a really mixed read on you and with your last minute sign-up, was pretty convinced you were a smurf account or something, playing this elaborate deception, and I really couldn't shake that perception, especially after Sexdoll joining and your interaction with him. My biggest gripe was that you have this strongly ingrained sense of you know exactly what is what, and felt that you actually caused more confusion than was good for town, so I'd say if you want to help town more, be a bit more circumspect in how you post and the reasons you go after people (e.g. against TZM and Golden this game specifically).
Going to read through the obs+scum qt threads now gg everyone
I think I might call it quits with mafia now, as it's so time consuming and ultimately frustrating when other people don't put the time in and/or just pull out early.
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On April 26 2012 22:43 Lazermonkey wrote:
Heyhey!
Learned alot from my last game!
As of now we have about 56 hours untill lynch time, so we are in no hurry. However it's always nice to get the discussion going as fast as possible.
As for lynching, I think we shouldn't be to fast to judge based upon what they say in the very beginning, especially since this is a noob game. Alot of people are inexperienced and WILL ''scumslip'' even tho they are townies. I'm not saying that you shouldn't analyse what people are saying, but rather that you shouldn't tunnel someone just because you thought something they said in one of their very first posts was suspicous.
Step up and post now : )
Your first post is a big scumtell, pretty much saying 1 thing and then clarifying it and repeating, and adding stuff so that nobody can use anything you say againt you. looks like you're afraid of saying anything solid for fear of people disagreeing with you, it just turns into a bit of a fluff mess while it looks like contributing.
If i was in the game, there is a good chance i would have rode you hard for a while after that (like solohan)
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when comparing this to your last games first post, that one seemed to have some confidence and willingness to make a decision, so overall i would have lynched you day 1 on meta and not willing to make a solid opinion
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