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Veriat could well have completely ignored his scumreads knowing you would think like that that is the essence of wifom | ||
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On May 02 2012 17:35 Pure-SC2 wrote: Sadly, it looks like we learn more from Splinter's modkill (and town flip) than we do from Jailbreaker's lynch (and town flip). Other than feeling I'm suspicious for possibly acting townie but it could be townie but it could be scummy but it could be townie, what do you think suspicions-wise? Regarding nreekay, I read his filter in Newbie X and it read similar to this one (where he was town). The only difference was that he made a stronger case in X than he has here (vs Zealos). Not sure how worrying that is, though. | ||
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Pure: imo voting information is simply a not-that-strong heuristic at this stage. Scummy/townie motivations in posting is in most cases the primary evidence. FYI, I have not read Aces' filter this game. Perhaps I should. The impressions I get from the cases against him (me) from other filters is that he was a weak player and lurky. Of which I am neither. | ||
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Perhaps you've had more luck than me, but I had frustratingly little success trying to peg people one way or another with the Veriat lynch. As an example, 1/2 of Jailbreaker/Splinter voted Veriat, and they were both townie | ||
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On May 02 2012 23:58 Pure-SC2 wrote: Why do I think it's more significant? Because it gives you this picture to look at which then allows you to focus your investigations. And when you include the info on who has flipped town since, and factor in your own town reads, then suddenly the focus becomes more more specific. Further to the bolded in particular, I am not approaching my scumhunting like this. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 18:29 Pure-SC2 wrote: I'm getting an off read on WhySoMuch, I don't really understand it so just going to post my thoughts in case someone else can make something out of it. So we're playing a newbie game here, for people who've played 3 or less games. yet here he is so ingrained in his Wolves/Villages thing that he can't even proof read his posts to change it to reflect the fact we're playing Mafia here, on the TL mafia forums, in which everyone else is referencing mafia/scum and townies? How many games do you have to have played to get it that ingrained in your head? And after its been mentioned by a few people, why wouldn't he make any effort to do something about it? Yet his posts seem well thought out and carefully worded. He goes on and asks the most basic fundamental questions that can be answered by using the tiniest bit of logical thought (how to quote posts and view more posts on a page), which doesn't line up with the fact that his posts seem to be well thought out and logical. I don't trust him. It's like he's playing this naive, simpleton role here so that he won't come under suspicion. + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 04:12 Pure-SC2 wrote: WhySoMuch seems to like the bandwagon based of who's voting for AcecAnoka, not because he think's he's scum. Hmm. + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 04:18 Pure-SC2 wrote: In the space of 20 minutes, WhySoMuch has flipped votes 3 times. I'm getting more and more suspicious of this guy. Then your last read on him is this: On May 01 2012 18:08 Pure-SC2 wrote: WhySoMuch - he is causing so much confusion and distraction with the way he is posting. I actually have a neutral read on him but my plan is to just ignore him for now. He's either playing a very deep and layered deception play or has so many bad preconceived notions of what to look for that it's just not worth engaging in. He may need to be looked at closer depending on what happens over the day/night cycle. My spoilers are by no means all the times you've posted on WhySoMuch. You claim suspicions of his posts many times, but in your read there, he is 'neutral'. I would like an explanation, and I would like it above and beyond "he's playing weirdly" because I've not included anything on his funny fixation on town lists and what have you. | ||
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On May 03 2012 01:06 Pure-SC2 wrote: @marvellosity - Honestly, I'm struggling with WhySoMuch. I have found many of his actions suspicious (which is what you've spoilered there), but he's also posted several things which seem extremely town, leading me to getting mass confusion from his points and his reads, further leading me to wanting to ignore him at this stage. The specific things I've found townie: - Puts me and The_Zen_Man on a never vote list. Now I know I am town, and I have a town read on TZM, and therefore I can't see a mafia stating this. - Stated his strong read that Splinter was town. Again, I can't see a scum motivation for stating this. *unless as mafia he was anticipating the mod kill/town flip and seeking to gain cred that way - but thats just WIFOM. I really struggle with his odd logic, and as such I can't get a solid read. I'd be interested if anyone has any further suspicions against him, TZM made some good points yesterday. The vote flipping seems way more suspicious to me than Golden's vote switch that ended up lynching Veriat. I had a theory earlier that either him or golden was scum, i.e., if one flipped town the other would flip scum, but I'm not so sure on that any more as I can't make a strong case against either. There is a chance (and I've stated this before) that he is playing some deep deception here. I can't confirm it from the information available though so leaving it at that for now. Ok, seems a decent answer :> I noticed the Splinter thing too, but I don't necessarily have the pro-town slant on it you have. One thing to note - scum know for sure who town are, town do not. | ||
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On May 03 2012 01:27 Pure-SC2 wrote: Yup, agree with you there (hence my WIFOM comment). Just hard to imagine scum essentially making it near to impossible to lynch 3 townies. But based on other posts, definitely not outside the realms of possibility with him. You seem to have accidentally bought into WSM's townie-post logic there  I'm definitely viewing his "who looks good for voting Veriat" list as a separate entity to him calling Splinter town. | ||
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On May 03 2012 01:48 The_Zen_Man wrote: marvellosity: I will add some stuff during the day, just waiting the night out for now. If I could make a suggestion - make/write your post and post it just before the day deadline. That way if you are killed we can still see your analysis, but it will be too late for mafia to act on any late information. For reference, I posted one minute before day-post in Mafia LIII, and in the day-post it was revealed I had been killed. | ||
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Glad you're coming around, Mordanis  Case is gonna have to be tomorrow now. | ||
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How many times should I be mentioning people? o.o Also, if you think WhySoMuch is most likely scum, what's your case? | ||
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On May 03 2012 15:55 Lazermonkey wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 10:18 WhySoMuch wrote: Conflicting tone in this post. You are sure that there is one scum on Veriat, and you go on to say that 4 of the 7 people (2 are dead) are some degree of town reads, and yet, you are "Not sure about this guy at all" at me. Shouldn't you be fairly sure I am a mafia? And as such shouldn't you be willing to make a case on me. And then you go on to not limit your options by adding the underlined clause. I have you as my highest scumreads atm. What limits do you want? I'm 63% sure that you are scum atm? + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 13:55 WhySoMuch wrote: Can I ask you something sir. How can you follow all the drama on your phone if you are asleep? If you weren't asleep, then you very well could have changed your vote but you didn't. Either way you are lieing somewhere here. So why are you lieing? I can already feel today being a good day. This is gonna get better btw. this is just the start Because I'm scum or because I don't remember things. you choose! + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 14:02 WhySoMuch wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 06:30 Lazermonkey wrote: @The_Zen_Man + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 05:41 The_Zen_Man wrote: @Lazermonkey In that post a merely stated some of my opinions on some players.I posted several other similliar opinions on some other players. And concerning how i like how AcesAnoka put a pressure vote on yomi is because i liked it. We were all thinking why yomi voted, but we needed a statement from him. Also, the vote would tell us more why nreekay324 voted for whysomuch. + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2012 05:41 The_Zen_Man wrote: @Lazermonkey In that post a merely stated some of my opinions on some players.I posted several other similliar opinions on some other players. And concerning how i like how AcesAnoka put a pressure vote on yomi is because i liked it. We were all thinking why yomi voted, but we needed a statement from him. Also, the vote would tell us more why nreekay324 voted for whysomuch. And if AcesAnoka would want to go for a bandwagon on someone, why not whysomuch, who already had 2 votes on him? That seems to me like a town behavior. Also, if i was his "scumbro", wouldnt i support his voting on yomi before? Not vote with him or something, just some few posts about it. And yet i haven't done that. The reason for my defensive stance is beacuse i've had to explain some suspicions on me, not really any more than that. If you read my filter, you would know that. It seems like you are trying to find suspicious behavior on me, and you are not afraid on going far in your accusations. You did manage to inflate a few comments on AcesAnoka to me being his "scumbro" .Is it because on of your scum-buddies got some heat and you are trying to direct eveyones attention elsewhere? nreekay324 for example has been getting some heat lately. Atm im not sure about you, you haven't posted enough for me to be sure of you. That seems to me like a town behavior. Also, if i was his "scumbro", wouldnt i support his voting on yomi before? Not vote with him or something, just some few posts about it. And yet i haven't done that. The reason for my defensive stance is beacuse i've had to explain some suspicions on me, not really any more than that. If you read my filter, you would know that. It seems like you are trying to find suspicious behavior on me, and you are not afraid on going far in your accusations. You did manage to inflate a few comments on AcesAnoka to me being his "scumbro" .Is it because on of your scum-buddies got some heat and you are trying to direct eveyones attention elsewhere? nreekay324 for example has been getting some heat lately. Atm im not sure about you, you haven't posted enough for me to be sure of you. I feel you are just not reading/being stupid once again here. Alot of things in this post are plain wrong. Both of the votes on AcesAnoka(or at least Yomi's, can't say too much about nreekay324 yet) were not serious. There was never a possibilty of bandwagoning here. No you wouldn't. Having two people out of a sudden sharing their opinions on a weak case would make you look scummy as hell. It's a common way to play scum, you split your opinions. So this doesn't prove your innocence. I even said in my post that my case on you and AcesAnoka being scumbros were a weak one. But the fact that you are still seem to think highly of Acec just makes me wonder more. Once again you post a somewhat confused post. It's like you aren't reading the posts well enough because you seem to miss alot of what is happening. You are still being overly defensive imo, which is not standard town play. And you always attack the one who are suspicious of you. First WhySoMuch, then nreekay324 and last me. Have it actually struck you that we might not be suspicious of you because we are scum but rather that we actually think your play is strange? Overall I still think your just town. I don't think your play looks like town, but it doesn't look like scum either. Going to bed now, will be much more active tommorow! You just made an extremely long post criticizing everything that The_Zen_Man had done, You even say that he is being "overly defensive imo which is not standard town play" and yet your conclusion is that he is "just town". How is that possible? Then your last line you say you " don't think his play looks like town, but it doesn't look like scum either", yet you still call him a town. Why are you afraid to call him mafia, you laid out almost a whole case on him and still you think he's town? it doesn't make sense. Also your phrasing of "just town". What do you mean by this? Because while his play was confusing in the start, I strongly felt his motives didn't match the ones of scum. And if he were townie, which I still think although I'm not as certain as I was one day ago, I think he should step up his posting alot. If he is your highest scumread, then make a case. Don't just keep saying it. | ||
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