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Maybe you don't know but the role PM's for vanilla townie were sent in normal font. | ||
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Will defend myself tomorrow, it's late here. And if it is even worth it. And when you vote, please use the proper thread. | ||
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On May 03 2012 08:13 johnnywup wrote: ok now thats scummy, lol. you're asking him if he's a power role, knowing that all townies are blu? I thought you knew and I thought that was the reason you defended me. Now, that is confusing. | ||
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@ johnny: let's say I was semi-aware of the role colours. go throught my filter again and maybe you will find something that will make you reconsider. I don't want to point it out because I am ashamed. also, gn | ||
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Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy. Palmar: his play here compared to Liar Game Mafia is opposite. In one game he is interested and active, here, well... Two options: 1. He has no special role here and therefore immediately lost interest. 2. He is scum, scumming scum. (Note: he is sheeping Kenpachi here, whereas in the other game he is playing king lol) grush is without doubt the scummiest player here, putting up a strong (read:nonexistant) defense. ##vote grush57 | ||
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And no, I have never played with you before. And I am only one game ahead of grush. And I would wait for grush posting his defense. I know that in your mind you already decided to definitely lynch me. It will be fun to see how you will come to grushs rescue. | ||
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Palmar looks like a good lynch candidate too, because he 1) isn't townielike, 2) isn't making much sense 3) voted for me without reasoning. I assume we still have 24h+ for voting? | ||
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On May 04 2012 04:44 BlackRaven wrote: Other hydra head such a noob :3 You know who really is a noob? Dirk Hardpec. My defense for asking a stupid question? It was day 1, I was heated after the game finally started. Furthermore: Kenpachi ALWAYS starts with: On March 17 2012 10:49 Kenpachi wrote: hi guys. i had an awesome day outside eating Korean BBQ and playing Billiard with my friends (birthday boy) gonna go read the thread now. btw im Kenpachi and im Townie and On February 25 2012 08:13 Kenpachi wrote: GUYS GUYS GUYS im Kenpachi and im a townie This time it struck me that he said townie. I forgot that in this game there isn't green vs red but BLU vs RED. So I asked whether he admitted blue role (which was admittedly not very clever of me) @grush: being "funny" is not very townlike. Being townie is ssrious bisnes. | ||
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On May 04 2012 07:36 grush57 wrote: I thought the day was gonna end so I threw up a vote, though I don't even think blubbdavid is mafia, I'll go change this and then make a case. You scum bro? So you are forcing yourself into believing that I am scum? If you don't think that I am scum then leave it at that and do some proper hunting. | ||
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And I will stop tunneling grush for the time being, maybe he will come up with something useful. Still, I would be interested in papapanda's opinion. And katina, do some scumhunting. What is your opinion on grush? For Blazinghand, I think that he is townie, he's pretty active and is even making sense somehow. BM is still lurking scum imo. | ||
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But: What even more important is than lynching scum D1is obtaining information. A BM lynch wouldn't us give much info, assuming he is scum. I still want to see panda's take on grush before I set my vote in stone. And lol, there's no way BM is going to be modkilled. | ||
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On May 03 2012 08:04 layabout wrote: I just want to warn all of the "area 53" guys that policy lynching is no better an option in this game than it ever was before. I know that a few of you are currently feeling like we should place all lurkers and confusing posters into the fire. But the majority of those players will be town and lynching into them is likely to kill (admittedly useless) townies. We are going to be polite in this game. We are going to vote at appropriate times. We are going to act in town's interest's using methods that are simple and explainable. And we are going to destroy red. On May 05 2012 02:18 layabout wrote: @ SomethingAwesome i feel like killing you because you were posting stuff like this and this. You first post is totally unsubstantiated. You were asked by multiple player to explain you second post but your explanation is very weak Even though townies answer questions addressed to others all of the time. Why would you try to analyse the contents of that quote? How on earth could saying "Me is hardcore BLU" have any relation to that players alignment? @ Mementoss i am listening to a song called "no brains" since we still have no real candidate ##vote Bill Murray reasons: anti-town when town anti-town when scum lurks a lot when he is active he is disruptive This is a policy lynch. O_o Explain. | ||
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On May 05 2012 03:41 layabout wrote: We have nobody that looks like scum. This is the best way to use the lynch. What about grush? | ||
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and layabout, you seem to be very very defensive, considering the fact that you only have 2 votes on you. I have to look into katina yet. | ||
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What if BM is scum, but doesn't want to play/ doesn't have time, so he sacrifices himself for the other scum? | ||
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manlots speedlots zealots . . . chargelots I will overthink the case of grush, Layabout is a better target anyway. | ||
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And I am not really convinced by NT's posting, doing research right now- | ||
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First of all, I have played some games with Mementoss, and the uncaring behaviour of his On May 03 2012 08:44 Mementoss wrote: Sup? Im not dealing with this shit this game. ##Vote: Kenpachi ##Vote: BillMurrary Either will do does absolutely not match with his townplay. As townie, he is one of the leaders who gets quickly killed off by scum. That what he is pulling of is definitely not townlike. Many of his posts are useless one-liners, and those which are not have almost no content and are wishywashy. A big analysis is not necessary, you can see his lack of real contributions for yourself. layabout and mementoss are now my biggest scum suspects. | ||
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Well, jdup has made a good post regarding layabout's behaviour On May 06 2012 08:46 johnnywup wrote: I think it is condemning, scum over-reacts to things like that (at least i think, ive never actually played scum). Of course laya didn't know kat would be modkilled, which is why it is condemning. If we didn't know kat's flip, it wouldn't be bad for either of them. It's just a townie pushing his reads on another person he thinks is townie, right? Since kat flipped, no. I don't know, the flip makes me think laya is more scummy. It took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled. Now to the harder part: On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote: Can't stay it's real late. But: How is " i think that a player is intelligent i don't think we should lynch them" a hard defence? Does giving evidence as to why you think they are intelligent when asked and then saying that you felt something they did something scummy constitute a hard defence? Why did layabout react to 2 votes on layabout when grush was in the lead with 5 votes with hours left and 13-ish players were yet to vote? @Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff". (btw don't talk about you in 3rd person, it is confusing) Why did layabout want to policy lynch BM, when there was an easy victim to gang up? Will think about it during lunch. | ||
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layabout was pushing BM so hard it was not even funny. Ok: layabaout, why were you so fucking desperate in pushing BM? till then, ##vote layabout | ||
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Because they are both scumbuddies? unlikely, grush looks fairly town. There was no reason for layabout NOT to jump on the grush lynchwagon. and yet... that's why I want to have a satisfying answer of him. | ||
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And where did you pull panda from? How about you make a proper read? | ||
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I had a strong scumread on him, till the end of d1, where sinani and katina flipped red. Point is, grush had a "read" on both of these players On May 05 2012 07:32 grush57 wrote: THATS RIGHT I RANDOM VOTED KATINA AND I PUT UP SINA206 FOR QUESITONING. It is not much, I admit, but still I lean towards him being a bad townie. If panda is a nullread, and you aks who the better candidate between him and me is, does that mean I am also a nullread? And I'd like to know why you decided it was a good idea to lynch BM. | ||
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On May 07 2012 03:10 SomethingAwesome wrote: I'm beginnging to like you Lay. Now find me scum! =) What do you think about blubb? I think he is fishy... And I like you less and less. Considering that you are two persons, you have contributed laughably little content. And what is up with this one: On May 05 2012 06:14 SomethingAwesome wrote: ##Vote BM Consolidating like a baus! //Dirk ? Consolidating layabouts train? | ||
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How about you lynch me, or are you too cautious because it could reveal your whole scumplan? I need action, not words. You are buddying up with layabout instead of scumhunting. Cast your vote on the one you think is the most scummy player. You say that I know layabout's alignment (mind reading), BUT: Is my concern illegitimate? You are circling around the actual matter: Why did layabout push BM so hard? Come on, tell me. Furthermore: BM was a lurker, and yes, a lynch on him wouldn't have been out-of-normal, but the intensity with which layabout has pushed BM surprised me. And I have been pushing on lay since I saw that he wanted to policy lynch BM although he vowed not to policy lynch. about Palm: On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote: Palmar: his play here compared to Liar Game Mafia is opposite. In one game he is interested and active, here, well... Two options: 1. He has no special role here and therefore immediately lost interest. 2. He is scum, scumming scum. Seems like the first option was true. grush: I may have sheeped on this vote, I admit but I didn't sheep with the vote of layabout I want to see some action of you, SA. | ||
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And action = vote, calling somebody scum several times and not voting is definitely NOT action. It's more like "i make the impression i am active but i better wait till a wagon forms". | ||
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I will not move my vote from layabout I make often not much sense, yes, but have you ever considered that it is because of information asymmetry, meaning that I don't have any information on anything, while scum can play with me like I was a bouncy ball? I don't have time to debunk your read, DoYouHas, nor do I want to. I want to show you that I am a victim of my horrble town play and from some mean bullying. While you guys were busy about pushing Nova (don't care much about him, I don't like mementoss's (nemesis of N_T) posting not very much either), I was struggling with layabout and SA. For some reason they subconsciously wanted to push me. Look at this one: On May 03 2012 07:09 SomethingAwesome wrote: blubbdavid scum... all townies are blue its blue vs red. ##vote blubbdavid -mattchew That was 29 minutes into the game. He jumped at me without explanation and shit. But this can happen to anyone, yes. So game continues I am pushing against layabout, then there comes the mind reading affair: I am talking about how some actions of layabout make him less scummy. And what does SA do, who has buddied up with layabout? Accuses me of being scum because I seem to know too much. Instead of being relieved that I, blubbdavid, one of the few who were pushing his buddy layabout, he accuses me of being scum instead. Come, no one accuses someone as scum when said scum is reconsidering his tunneling. Except when you are a bad townie (SA) who is reading too much into the wrong person and too little into the right one. But why do I think that SA is town? Because that guy is seriously convinced that I am scum. If he was scum, he would be pushing much more discreet, and that's where we land at layabout, who is abusing his naive townbuddy in pushing me hard. layabout: On May 03 2012 08:04 layabout wrote: I just want to warn all of the "area 53" guys that policy lynching is no better an option in this game than it ever was before. I know that a few of you are currently feeling like we should place all lurkers and confusing posters into the fire. But the majority of those players will be town and lynching into them is likely to kill (admittedly useless) townies. We are going to be polite in this game. We are going to vote at appropriate times. We are going to act in town's interest's using methods that are simple and explainable. And we are going to destroy red. On May 07 2012 05:41 layabout wrote: You are full of crap [1]ways like what exactly? relying on the calimed vig in the hopes that we have an engineer and they picked refill ammo and life over doctor? relying on having a blu demoman that has placed bombs on the players we want, and then manages to get themselves killed? relying on red not having a medic that can counteract these night hits? The lynch is the most reliable way to kill players if we decide to. There are so many lurkers that we cannot grant them immunity from the lynch on the grounds that "our blues will deal with them" as you are doing. Would you have us ignore scummy players that are lurking and lynch elsewhere? If BM had been the only death 1 we would be in a similar position to most towns that ever were having mislynched a townie day 1. [2]The candidates we had when i opened the thread where grush57 5 votes and then a few people with 1-2 votes. The votes were spread out. I thought and still think that grush is town. Lynching a "lurker" was the best move we could have made+ Show Spoiler + Strictly speaking BM was an inactive. [3]??? Let's pretend that you didn't post this: which describes the information gained from lynching me, after you emphasized the value of information. You want to kill me because i pushed a lynch that didn't give us much information. Boo fucking Hoo. That is not the point of a lynch. You lynch to kill scum. When you are desperate you might lynch a lurker (who has a chance of flipping scum) over player that are active or that you have town reads on. [4]He is dead isn't he? I got the lynch onto him, and i would do it again. I am also going to shamelessly hijack Palmar's reputation by pointing out that he supported a BM lynch and he flipped VanillaTown/Blu Team + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote: ##Vote Bill Murray [5]"questionable defense?" i think ghost summed it up here: *ghost tragically forgot this later on when other people suggested killing me. [6]You will weep tears and become the laughing stock of the entire forum! Classy defense. Not. Seems like a scum having an entire flagpole up his ass. Why didn't layabout defend against my accusations so vigorously like he did here in this post against Eiii. Seems pretty clear, I am his lynchprey for today, and that's why he didn't want to draw attention, else it would seem like an OMGUS. Do what you want today. Lynch NT if you like, I am neutral about this one Lynch me if you want to get rid off a bad townie. Lynch layabout if you want town to win. And SA, I think you are wasting too much energy into my death. Maybe you would actually be helpful for town if your posts that DON'T contain my name weren't so fluffy. (and oh yeah, I also thought that BM was scum but does that make me scum. Well, as much as it would make layabout scum.) | ||
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but atleast it contains more info than all of SA's post combined | ||
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On May 08 2012 04:22 blubbdavid wrote: l(don't care much about him, I don't like mementoss's (nemesis of N_T) posting not very much either) should it be "don't like m's posting not much either" or "don't like m's posting much either"? | ||
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Coincidentally, the only other posts of you that are not fluffy are those where you pushed against layabout. Now, your suspicions on layabout have flown away like a bird on a midsummer sunday. Has mattchew eaten Dirk's head and is playing as dirk and matt at the same time or what? | ||
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On May 08 2012 04:48 SomethingAwesome wrote: [1]And you are twisting my words. I never said you knew to much. I said some of your posts are written with a tone and word choice indicating that you know peoples allignment. [2]But you didn't reconsider your read did you? You have never expressed that you might see layabout as town. You just didn't want to commit to pushing layabout all the way and was wishy washy with your "scumread". Trying to backpaddle to be ready when layabout flipped town. //Dirk [1]semantics. don't get lost in semantics. [2]nope, never reconsidered it, because his voting behaviour is not the only aspect of him. my suspicion on him is the sum of his posting, voting behaviour, general behaviour etc. You yourself have raised some very well points against layabout. But your suspicions against him somehow vanished miraculously. | ||
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On May 08 2012 04:52 ghost_403 wrote: Blubbdavid's defense in this situation is pretty much identical to what he did in Aperture Mafia. Instead of addressing the case against him, he tries to push another lynch. He rolled scum that game. Between the fact that Layabout has a good case on him, the fact that he isn't/won't address it, and that he's playing his scum meta to a T, I say we ##vote blubbdavid agreed. I am omgusing like i did in aperture. | ||
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On May 08 2012 04:54 SomethingAwesome wrote: Look, Blubb, either you call me town and leave me be or you call me scum for not thinking layabout is scum anymore. Layabouts play D2 have been good town play. He have been a part of discussion, defended himself, pushed reads and generelly been a good part of this thread (unlike so many others). We are both online at the moment. //Dirk I think you are town. But I am really interested how your views on layabout changed. So his d2 play was good? Doesn't invalidate his d1 play. And god, he always had in mind to push me. Let's call out Eiii here a little bit, a little Nova_Terra pushing there, and boom, let's vote for blubbdavid. | ||
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you know, looking for such petty details isn't helpful in general. and in the end it comes all down to semantics. | ||
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For all the others, looking through layabouts d2 filter is fairly easy: here his first post of d2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=35#686 Read through the rest, look at him hesitating to really take action (voting) for anyone. And then there comes the vote against me, during a period where I have been afk for a long time. | ||
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ye, most of the time I am not motivated at all, and seldomly there is passion burning inside me. burn | ||
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Forgive me town, for I have failed. But: Where a door closes, another one opens. | ||
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Our town was gruesome in this game. | ||
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