EPTWhile you're here, what do you think of the cases on l10f?
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While you're here, what do you think of the cases on l10f? | ||
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On May 14 2012 00:23 grush57 wrote: Get on the l10f train On May 14 2012 00:24 grush57 wrote: ##vote: Nova_Terra Am I missing something here?! | ||
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On May 14 2012 04:27 Nova_Terra wrote: Marv theres not a chance in hell i would push for a papa lynch today because its obviously not happening i find it interesting that you should say that i should have ? You didn't even try, you didn't even mention him. And you were quite happy to be the only person voting for him yesterday... | ||
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On May 14 2012 07:22 papapanda wrote: His reason for calling you out is from various times when you defended people who flipped scum, and I am not sure what to make on that. As you seem to be infected by his mindset on this, I'd like to clear it up. What have I said about Katina/Kenpachi/Nisani? 1) Katina has an odd posting style 2) ??? 3) ??? ...... | ||
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Mementoss' case spoilered below. The tl;dr is - no scumhunting, dumb statements, bad list, no scumhunting (for emphasis) + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 22:27 Mementoss wrote: I10f has't even talked about half the people on his list in the whole game. The way that list was contstructed is pretty much a secret other than Eiii being top with grush and Marv. But there is barely any cases about grush and Marv from I10f's filter of 1 page. Since how did froggy become super townie all of a sudden. What the hell has he even done? Please read his filter BH. There is so many ridiculous statements. I'll point out a few. I know this isn't much. But for a "townie" being completely free and apparently reading the thread. His filter is 1 pages and lackluster. There is no way for him to know this. He is distancing himself from the townie lynch here. Never explains why he doesn't find N_T or blubb scummy. I think he has been distancing himself from townie lynches all game actually. No vote day 1. Eiii Day 2. Grush day 3. Doesn't ever explain why N_T is not scum. And this tone just seems like he pulled out a random name. Then writes a 2 line reason why. Hes been so easy to push that he has been second in line for lynch every day. But never dies. So easy eh? I dont post cases cuz im bad. (using the newb card) I read cases and pick the case that is on a townie. If that is to obvious I just vote for someone random and be the only person voting him. Again WHY do you not think nova is scum. Gut feeling is for scum. It's used when you have no fucking explanation for your actions and are to scared to say scummy shit and get caught. This is a bit late from early game to be saying "Im town" for no reason. Hes not even suspected here. But I think its the third time in the thread where he throws in a "Im town" for good measures. Or a face to make people like him -_______________________- Also the second part is so so so scummy. I haven't done anything to make anyone think im scum. What. So your purposely not doing anything and being safe so you don't look scummy? At least you have done that? You haven't done anything. And again how do you know your right, that scum is in Eiii/marv/grush good thing you gave three options, for an out when one of them flips town. I already explained why the list is scummy. Also BH made some good points on why the list is awful. If I10f is scum, he strategically placed people that are most likely to die tonight (mementoss, BH) and strategically placed his scum buddy around 4-7 after a couple mislynches so town would lose in the MLYL. N_T I10f scum team. A post I made on him spoilered below. tl;dr - bad list, blatant contradiction in list and scum leading mislynches, pointing out he's not a crazy like grush. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 05:43 marvellosity wrote: At the moment his case, though, is superceded by l10f's. What distinguishes l10f and grush is that l10f actually seems pretty capable of logical thought - his posts are arrogant and dismissive, as opposed to grush's headless chicken/ostrich approach. Mementoss, your whole case on him is pretty sound. The list is just all kinds of bad, pushed at us like it's '100% objective' and not his opinion. The fact that he's basically claiming the list is truth when he never makes any attempt to back anything up is really scummy. I also go back to the contradiction I pointed out in my last post. He has Eiii and me as #1 and #2 for lynching, but also explains 'scum have led the mislynches we've had so far'. This statement and his list can't both be accurate, so he's been caught in his own lie. The strange case of Eiii being main scumread, not at all scumread, and main scumread again (and ofc no real case made) spoilered below: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2012 11:03 marvellosity wrote: However, digging through his (lacklustre) filter, I found something else I want to bring people's attention to. Firstly, I'm just gonna spoiler his two posts that constitute his 'case' against Eiii. + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 05:30 l10f wrote: OMG THESE BANDWAGONERS SUCK --> joins layabout bandwagon wat I like my chances better on you than layabout! And if you're green, darn, sorry! ##vote: Eiii + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 08:10 l10f wrote: His post just seems so scummy. he just points out some people looking like scum because they jumped on "bandwagons", then pretty much says yeah these people all look scummy, blah blah BUT I VOTE LAYABOUT. Then he proceeds to use information that layabout already made clear to attack layabout, when if he had actually read layabout's posts it would be clear that nothing happened so far condemns him nowhere near how he's posting right now. But what's this? Marv and Paqman now, except not Paqman, just marv. Where the hell has Eiii gone in this reckoning? The post clearly states before Kenpachi flipped scum, me and paqman were his choice of scumteam, but with the flip were no longer. Eiii just completely disappeared from this read and it was just me. He then revives Eiii as his fucking number 1 scumread somehow. Basically it seems to have gone from Eiii to marv, to marv and Paqman, back to marv, back to Eiii. With pretty much no explanation in the middle. No scumhunting. No cases. Pushing and being suspicious of various people in various orders with no consistencies. Also re-read my quoted post on him above where I lay out the contradiction in his list and how he views the scum and mislynches. This guy is scummy as hell. Lastly I would like to add his continual attempts to paint himself as totally objective, correct, the one who should be listened to without question. On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote: You can, if you want, but you won't find anything because I'm town. At least, I haven't done anything that would make anyone think I'm scum. For some reason, totally confident in his own actions, painting himself as town. Except of course town scumhunts. On May 11 2012 13:53 l10f wrote: Here's a 100% objective view of the situation. 1 is most likely scum 11 is most likely town. 1. Eiii 2. marvellosity 3. grush57 4. papapanda 5. PaqMan 6. Nova_Terra 7. Sinensis 8. l10f 9. Mementoss 10. froggynoddy 11. Blazinghand Let's just lynch in this order and win? Bold is mine. l10f is trying to paint him as Mr Objective. But with no basis to do so other than he says so. On May 14 2012 09:21 l10f wrote: Also, just putting it out there. People I've accused: layabout, Eiii, grush, marvellosity People I've defended: layabout, blubbdavid, Nova_Terra People marv accused: BM, l10f, layabout, Nova_Terra, johnnywup, grush People marv defended: Sinensis, blubbdavid, Katina, Kenpachi I think everyone feels safer going with my intuition over his ^___^ Putting aside the remarkable bias in this list (I will address it in full later, if needs be), it's the bold I'm drawing attention to. Again, this 'clearly you should be listening to me' kind of statement. These quotes are all 'you should be listening to me guys. Clearly and obviously. I am the one to listen to.' The problem is there's never anything to back it up. He talks about 'intuition' - everyone of course uses intuition to scumhunt. In my case, I will use intuition to help find someone I think is scum, and then I will go and examine that player, and I will present a case backed up with evidence. That way, if people agree with me they can vote with me, if not they will not - easy. l10f on the other hand just goes "trust me guyz, coz I'm right, coz I say so!" ... Summary on l10f: doesn't scumhunt, bad list with inherent lie explaining it, an insiduous manner of trying to paint himself as someone to be listened to, and doesn't scumhunt. To Paqman, BlazingHand, and anyone else reading - I want l10f lynched tomorrow. Please explain to me if you don't agree with what I've put forth, and if you have a different case, please explain to me why it's stronger than this. | ||
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On May 14 2012 11:45 l10f wrote: Taking out all the shit, my point is that we should lynch Eiii next day. You're with me on that at least, right? Two things - firstly, he obviously doesn't read my posts at all. What makes him think I favour Eiii over himself? The second thing is the continuation of my point above. "You're with me on that at least, right?" - again, this insidious 'you should be agreeing with me' style. | ||
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Paqman, where are you? | ||
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On May 15 2012 08:04 PaqMan wrote: If no one else thinks Sinensis is scummy then I have no problem supporting an I10f lynch. Day has just started so I want to see everyone else's opinions. After reading my case, do you think Sinensis is scummier? If so, what is it that tips the balance for you? | ||
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On May 15 2012 09:44 PaqMan wrote: Now Marvel I'd like it if you read my two posts on Sinensis + Show Spoiler [seen hurr] + and tell me your thoughts on him. What is your read on him? What do you agree and disagree with in my points against him? + Show Spoiler [p1] + On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here? "People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target" "I wouldn't mind lynching NT" That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there. He then gives us this: On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote: I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT: . .. ... Looks like it's Nova_Terra ##vote: Nova_Terra Uhhh, WTF?!?!?! Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy. You miss out in your quotemarks 'if consolidation needs to happen'. A pretty important disclaimer imo. To the flipping a coin thing. Pretty stupid, I agree. But necessarily alignment indicative? It could be a stupid town play or a stupid scum play. What's the scum motivation for openly in a thread going "gonna flip a coin derp"? Regarding his cases. I agree that he could be more definitive in them. His narrating style doesn't push anything, but you can at least see what he's saying by the narrative - 'this is a contradiction / this doesn't make sense" even if he doesn't explicitly say so. To the third part of your case, I agree he's been wishy-washy recently. In your 2nd link, you reiterate in bold the bit about the long posts with no content. Again, I feel like you can see where he's coming from even though he isn't explicit enough for your taste. My overall read on Sinensis isn't that far from null. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would invite you to compare motivations with Sinensis to l10f. For example, l10f pushing his list with nothing to back it up, on the basis of it being "100% objective". How is this not worse than Sinensis not being completely definitive in his cases? Or where I point out the massive contradiction in l10f's scum list and the fact he said that scum are controlling the mislynches (bear in mind this was pre-Nova flip). l10f's response to this was that I was "bending his words". Except I wasn't, it was a simple fact of a) his list and b) his assertion that scum led mislynches did not match-up in any way. Trying to make out I was twisting his words to make him look bad, when, demonstrably, I did nothing of the sort. Also in general conjunction with the list, and as pointed out in my previous post on him, the fact that l10f is trying to paint himself as someone that should be listened to, a trick Sinensis isn't trying to pull off. Trying to discredit me with another bad 'intuition' list - but of course providing nothing concrete why we should be listening to his intuition. Sinensis at least honestly tried to defend himself against you (even if you disagree with him), l10f doesn't even bother. Basically I see ulterior/insidious motives from l10f that I don't get from Sinensis. | ||
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On May 15 2012 18:13 froggynoddy wrote: I still don't understand how Grush is still alive and unfortunately I still think he's on my strongest scum reads, in this town he has played exactly how to play scum... i.e. don't contribute lest someone attacks you and let town disintegrate (as it has). As I have been the only one (since Laya's death) to be onto him, me alone is not a threat and therefore no need to contribute (if scum), if town there is always a need to contribute. Yeah, I mentioned this before, and the mind boggles. Even since it was pointed out to grush, he has done nothing. grush has the same apparent sins as other lurkers (lack of scumhunting), but this fact elevates him to my #2 read. | ||
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On May 16 2012 02:01 froggynoddy wrote: Hmmm... I want to see what Paqman says re l10f being scummier than sinensis. Also I'd rather people let the suspect defend himself unless we are closer to lynch time, in which case if you think a mislynch is going to happen by all means argue against a case. I'd just want Sinensis to repond to the pressure himself (thus hopefully giving us more information). Same goes for everyone who has a case on them. That being said I am unconvinced regarding l10F. I think we are making too much of a mountain over a molehill regarding l10F's 'list'. As Marv pointed out regarding Sinensis, it seems dumb, be it as townie or scum. The fact he made the list is only a fraction of the whole case... | ||
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On May 16 2012 05:25 papapanda wrote: Marvellosity: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 23:31 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler [p1] + On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here? "People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target" "I wouldn't mind lynching NT" That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there. He then gives us this: On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote: I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT: . .. ... Looks like it's Nova_Terra ##vote: Nova_Terra Uhhh, WTF?!?!?! Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy. I miss out am your quotemarks 'if consolidation needs to happen'. A pretty important doctor imo. Who the flipping a coin thing. Pretty stupid, should agree. I necessarily save indicative? It could be a stupid tonight play or a stupid scum play. Give the me motivation for openly in three thread options "gonna flip a coin derp"? Regarding his cases. Paqman agree that he could be more knows in too. His narrating style doesn't push anything, but you can at least see what he's saying by the narrative - 'this is a contradiction / this doesn't make sense" even if he doesn't explicitly say so. To the third part of your case, I agree he's been wishy-washy recently. In your 2nd link, you reiterate in bold the bit about the long posts with no content. Again, I feel like you can see where he's coming from even though he isn't explicit enough for your taste. My overall read on Sinensis isn't that far from null. This is the top half of your post on Sinensis. Beside l10f, who is your next scummiest read? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If no one makes any action, by the looks of it, we are going to lose. I believe we are 1 lynch away from LYLO. IMO scum will try hard to focus down one or two guys for lynch. To counter this, I encourage everyone to read over everyone's filter. Opposite of what l10f is saying, I do not agree with focusing on two people. papapanda: it pains me slightly to have to quote something on the same page as your post, but here goes: On May 15 2012 23:37 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, I mentioned this before, and the mind boggles. Even since it was pointed out to grush, he has done nothing. grush has the same apparent sins as other lurkers (lack of scumhunting), but this fact elevates him to my #2 read. For the sake of completeness - grush has failed to scumhunt. As froggy mentioned in the post spoilered above, and also me elsewhere in my filter, grush admitted he only posted when there was a case against him. Further to this, even though this has been pointed out to him, he still outright refuses to contribute in any way. A question for you papapanda: what has grush done that is any way pro-town in, say, the last 3 day/night cycles? To the 2nd half of your post, about reads and such. For once I defend what l10f is saying here, and I don't think what you're saying and what he is saying are mutually exclusive. Your point is: 1) we should be vigilant in reading everyone's filters and make sure we scumhunt thoroughly and don't let anyone off. Anyone should agree with this. His is: 2) at the deadline, if there are 4 or so people up for lynch, scum can easily control who gets lynched because the votes will be spread so thin, so as deadline approaches we should consolidate. I also think there's not much to argue with here. 1) your point and 2) his point live together quite ok. | ||
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Is it still him, or do you have other reads? | ||
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Fair warning to all - I am going out for anniversary dinner this evening, so there's a decent chance I'll miss voting deadline. ##Vote l10f | ||
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On May 17 2012 07:25 PaqMan wrote: And no marv, i did not fail to note the "difference in motivation between I10f and Sinensis". Hey, don't get sarcastic with me because I got it wrong on a scummy-as-fuck townie l10f. My motivation question was totally valid. Gonna have to have a complete overhaul of filters tomorrow. I still have one or two town-reads but that's not enough at this point. And my dinner was lovely thank you everyone | ||
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